EPTI hope Light vs Soma delivers as well and I don't care how the finals will turn, I just want to watch those stunning players have it at each other. This is such a treat! The best ASL so far, I think.
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
I hope Light vs Soma delivers as well and I don't care how the finals will turn, I just want to watch those stunning players have it at each other. This is such a treat! The best ASL so far, I think. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4205 Posts
GGs | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4016 Posts
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chaosTheory_14cc
Canada1270 Posts
On April 13 2020 01:18 JoinTheRain wrote: I must say I love Flash as much as the next Joe, I really do. But every time he gets beaten in a offline tourney it makes me giggly and warm inside. Because I know the dedication and skill it takes to beat versus the best player ever in a BoX series. Truly a huge accomplishment for zero, amazing games from him. That's why Flash's matches are always fun to watch for me. He either dominates his opponent as per usual, or his opponent puts up a great fight and maybe even pulls an upset like Zero just did. In either case, I get to enjoy some great starcraft. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4205 Posts
+1 to that | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
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outscar
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
This goliath build is interesting and props to ZerO for adjusting his gameplay as Konadora mentioned earlier, but it doesn't feel anywhere as lethal as the 1-1-1 so why would Flash even bother going for it? Did I miss something? I saw Sorry use it earlier in ASL to great effect and I figure it's a good counter to the 2 hatch that seems to be much more common nowadays, but I just really really miss seeing Flash going 5 rax +1 with vessels and the late game TvZ that I've grown accustomed to. Now, granted, the games Flash won were solid overall in terms of how well he pushed, micro seemed ok and the macro was on point from what I can tell. Likewise, ZerO did a great job denying the scout in game 4 which is something Flash relied on greatly in previous games that he won which allowed his bust to work. He had a fantastic game 5 on Hitchhiker against Flash of all people who said he prepared for all games and I was really pleased with that game. So yes, I'm conflicted! I'm excited to see a new ASL champion and that Flash was upset by a Zerg of all, but for whatever reason, in both this series and the one against Action, Flash looked surprisingly mortal and I have no clue if I should be chalking this up to the efforts of his opponents, Flash trying to innovate a new style etc... Probably a combination of everything. So congrats to Zero and well done. Would've liked longer macro games, but you played well to beat Flash at his weakness much like Soma vs Bisu. Looking forward to the finals and hoping to see a Light vs Zero TvZ finals! :D On April 12 2020 12:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: Far from it imo. For me, the best ASL will undoubtedly be ASL6. The game quality was great and the storyline particularly wrote itself. That's not to say that the game quality hasn't been high this ASL, but in my mind, ASL6 was one of the best ASLs we've had and potentially will have once Flash eventually retires to the military. The "Can they beat Flash?" will always be on everyone's mind. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1956 Posts
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Lazyer
United States351 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden306 Posts
And 2 tanks. That build in game 5 was very different than his other Valk-builds. | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
did he scan the den before it was cancelled? | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On April 13 2020 04:22 mishimaBeef wrote: in game 5, not gonna lie when i saw the first tank i was confused did he scan the den before it was cancelled? Didn't watch it back but in such a narrow space it's probably also not a bad idea to push through sunkens with some tanks. I mean, if there would be no tanks and as many sunkens clustered, good luck pushing through that with m&m. I think that picked off dropship really made all the difference. If flash had just got that drop off and killed the 3rd... Would've had made a huge difference. Instead now he didnt do any dmg and lost 10 supply (dropship + stuff inside) without any return. Really brilliant move by Zero, although I guess he mostly just wanted to cut reinforcements (which would also have been damn nice, but not quite as deadly/decisive). | ||
Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova275 Posts
even though i don't like a mirracle matchups, i want ZvZ final. Soma be able to beat Light. 50/50 | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On April 13 2020 04:33 Waxangel wrote: oh, how quaint, God died on Easter haha wow good one. my world has been rocked. grats to zero he played a great series | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden306 Posts
On April 13 2020 04:22 mishimaBeef wrote: in game 5, not gonna lie when i saw the first tank i was confused did he scan the den before it was cancelled? Tank pushing to break down the sunkens is a pretty common, and good, strategy. Zero bringing down the temples and attacking the mineral only with those lings really messed everything up. And Zero getting SO many sunkens while not engaging with his mutas and instead picking of dropship and reinforcements was a great play. | ||
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Cush
United States646 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On April 13 2020 05:56 Cush wrote: I don’t think there was a single defiler or vessel made in the entire series. Flash or Zero kept dying to mid game shit lol. I hope we see some longer games tomorrow. Was just their strategies I would say.. It would do or die... Exactly why I didn't like this series much. Both went in with strategies that would either end the game (well opening muta not so much I guess, but still, vs a strategy like that if you dont switch up right away you're committed) or result in a loss. I also feel stuff like the lurker all-in, yea I'm sure it's strong against the builds flash was doing, but you end up with shitty games. I think valkyrie is also pretty much do or die though, I mean you either kill their mutas and win or you dont and lose. It was nice seeing how Queen tried to prevent that (i think in game 1?), but then switching tech just took too long and he had to stay on muta and lost pretty soon after. Maybe if this stuff was more common, it could still transition into a standard game, but yea, unfortunately not the case today. As someone else mentioned before though, Flash really looked so killable today (he did too vs Action), can't remember the last time that was the case. In that way I guess that's still the big win for everyone. | ||
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Siz)Beggar
United States339 Posts
On April 13 2020 03:04 BigFan wrote: This is a conflicting result haha. On the one hand, I'm glad that I was wrong and ZerO pulled through but on the other, this is giving me flashes of Flash vs EffOrt and not so much for the hype, but rather that it seems like Flash had a certain build in mind that he absolutely wanted to work on stage and lost as a result. The big difference is that in ASL6, it felt like Flash was playing well enough (he had the ASL2/3/4 title+Ro8 ASL5 finish) and the 1-1-1 was slaughtering Zergs left and right. What was it, 75-80% winrate for Flash against all the top Zergs on average, if not higher. This goliath build is interesting and props to ZerO for adjusting his gameplay as Konadora mentioned earlier, but it doesn't feel anywhere as lethal as the 1-1-1 so why would Flash even bother going for it? Did I miss something? I saw Sorry use it earlier in ASL to great effect and I figure it's a good counter to the 2 hatch that seems to be much more common nowadays, but I just really really miss seeing Flash going 5 rax +1 with vessels and the late game TvZ that I've grown accustomed to. Now, granted, the games Flash won were solid overall in terms of how well he pushed, micro seemed ok and the macro was on point from what I can tell. Likewise, ZerO did a great job denying the scout in game 4 which is something Flash relied on greatly in previous games that he won which allowed his bust to work. He had a fantastic game 5 on Hitchhiker against Flash of all people who said he prepared for all games and I was really pleased with that game. So yes, I'm conflicted! I'm excited to see a new ASL champion and that Flash was upset by a Zerg of all, but for whatever reason, in both this series and the one against Action, Flash looked surprisingly mortal and I have no clue if I should be chalking this up to the efforts of his opponents, Flash trying to innovate a new style etc... Probably a combination of everything. So congrats to Zero and well done. Would've liked longer macro games, but you played well to beat Flash at his weakness much like Soma vs Bisu. Looking forward to the finals and hoping to see a Light vs Zero TvZ finals! :D Far from it imo. For me, the best ASL will undoubtedly be ASL6. The game quality was great and the storyline particularly wrote itself. That's not to say that the game quality hasn't been high this ASL, but in my mind, ASL6 was one of the best ASLs we've had and potentially will have once Flash eventually retires to the military. The "Can they beat Flash?" will always be on everyone's mind. Its because flash said that the korean zergs had figured out the 1-1-1 build and the risks that came with it were that if you mis micro at all and mess up even once it means gg for you so i think he was looking for a safer build to try since the 1-1-1 has been figured out and only works as a surprise if you opponent has never seen is | ||
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