EPT#cancelBWremake
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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thezanursic
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Another thing. There must be good timing windows to stop a T expanding this much. For example the window when T tech switches or takes his 4th or 5th? Dunno about those lategame windows though but this mechy money play must be stopped! | ||
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Piste
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:25 nojok wrote: The thread is going full SC2 with the balance whine lmao #cancelBWremake Maybe, but it just bothers me that people only point out the mistakes of zerg simply because "bw is perfectly balanced". No it's not. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:17 Bakuryu wrote: watching at how the game went, i couldnt stop but smile/laugh at how Jaedong played. He keeps making the same mistakes. lay out his mistakes thoroughly and say exactly what he should have done, please. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5185 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:23 duke91 wrote: Those cost efficient lings which die by 5 to a single mine. 125 minerals vs 25. Wow look how cost efficient lings are vs a bunch of 75 mineral vultures as well. Yeah, because using Zerglings vs. Vultures like that in a vacuum sure makes sense right? On May 09 2017 21:26 SirGlinG wrote: Focusing down tanks can be legit good but in this situation it wasnt. The map control, eco harass and ability to clear up mines and lonely tanks with mutas is owrth more than a full tech switch to defiler lurker ultra ling vs the goliaths left. The mines and speedy vultures are ao quickly produced and can do so much damage agianst a zerg moving his big army clunks across the map. JD went for the kill on lasts 11 base, needed it very much but it seems it wasnt going to happen, so savibg those mutas,usibg them like a group of goons clearing mines for the rest of his army that'd be good. Another thing. There must be good timing windows to stop a T expanding this much. For example the window when T tech switches or takes his 4th or 5th? Dunno about those lategame windows though but this mechy money play must be stopped! You think dropping Defiler/Ling in the main to cut production would've been a better idea? I mean, making a factory takes a long time.. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:28 Uldridge wrote: Yeah, because using Zerglings vs. Vultures like that in a vacuum sure makes sense right? Nevermind that crackling can clear mines before they explode and we've seen circumstances like in this game where a zergling runs far enough and survive with half hp while the mine detoned already -_- | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:28 Uldridge wrote: Yeah, because using Zerglings vs. Vultures like that in a vacuum sure makes sense right? Then what is your point? You actually can use vultures in a vacuum, lay mines all over the map and each time a mine hits pretty much anything it's cost efficient already | ||
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traxamillion
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
GG both players. So I guess Soulkey is the zerg hope now. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maybe, but it just bothers me that people only point out the mistakes of zerg simply because "bw is perfectly balanced". No it's not. Yes it is. | ||
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traxamillion
104 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:28 Uldridge wrote: Yeah, because using Zerglings vs. Vultures like that in a vacuum sure makes sense right? You think dropping Defiler/Ling in the main to cut production would've been a better idea? I mean, making a factory takes a long time.. The main is the hardest place to drop. It is already turret ed up from the initial mutas off 2 bases. Plus the resources run out so less value than dropping expansions. | ||
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:23 duke91 wrote: Those cost efficient lings which die by 5 to a single mine. 125 minerals vs 25. Wow look how cost efficient lings are vs a bunch of 75 mineral vultures as well. You know there is that spell called 'lift' which makes CC's invincible against anything Zerg has lategame. User was temp banned for this post. Oh I'm aware of lift, but most zerg players still attempt to destroy a base/cc even in late game. The only time Jaedong attempted to destroy last's CC was the upper-right expansion. The point is Jaedong didn't do economic damage which he needed to do against mech, and he didn't expand enough earlier and that cost him the game. | ||
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Netto.
Poland523 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:26 SirGlinG wrote: Another thing. There must be good timing windows to stop a T expanding this much. For example the window when T tech switches or takes his 4th or 5th? Dunno about those lategame windows though but this mechy money play must be stopped! The moment when T switches is also the moment that zerg is stablilizing. What I mean is that when T switches Z is filling his 4th base and has only a bunch of lurkers and defilers to hold his 2nd and 4th base. So it isn't the window for zerg to strike. Zergs strike a bit later when they establish 4th base, and this is exactly what happend in this game - JD tried to put a lot of pressure after establishing 4th but Last was too much... Is it balanced? At first glance it looks like it isn't. Both made some mistakes but somehow Last was all the time on top and up 50 supply. However history of Broodwar teaches us not to hurry making such conclusions about imbalance. Maybe Soulkey will be the one to bring the solution since he is doing well vs T. We will see. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2347 Posts
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
lookihere terran units sooo large it's almost like playing protoss | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7003 Posts
On May 09 2017 21:34 Stax736 wrote: Oh I'm aware of lift, but most zerg players still attempt to destroy a base even in late game. The only time Jaedong attempted to destroy last's CC was the upper-right expansion. The point is Jaedong didn't do economic damage which is absolutely necessary against mech, and he didn't expanded and that cost him the game. he did a bit of everything complemented with nothing.this is the same when you are doing a semi all in that fails,u are alive but dont expect to win. | ||
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