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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On January 20 2017 19:43 [[Starlight]] wrote: Looking it up, yeah, it's only been around since 2014. Still doesn't explain the busted 'Unknown Map' link on its map page. Obviously, it's known.  By default TLPD Brood War redirects to Kespa TLPD. I tried to modify the LP template but calls to external databases are admin only. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 20 2017 19:26 Jae Zedong wrote: That's not the whole evidence though. Show me single game where Flash lost a standard TvZ in the last 3 months (and not obviously distracted by chat or not taking the game seriously). In the Kespa era there was at least hope for the Zerg to reach the lategame, but with the current mech switch that is off the table as well. Flash, and to some extent Last, will just shut you out of the game if you play standard against them. Getting that third up is a nightmare. Zergs are relegated to funky tactics and cheese to try and catch the T off guard ever since TvZ was more or less perfected by Flash in the current era. Two days ago. You are welcome. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18730 Posts
On January 20 2017 21:56 Zera wrote: Two days ago. You are welcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzeOEqS1t9k He said not distracted by chat... Sheesh, some people can't read | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 20 2017 22:02 sharkie wrote: He said not distracted by chat... Sheesh, some people can't read oh yes. Pardon me. And he obviously wasn't taking this game seriously either, I mean his opponent was only Larva. Silly me  | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 20 2017 22:02 sharkie wrote: He said not distracted by chat... Sheesh, some people can't read Flash cant see the chat screen while hes playing. That's not how afreeca streaming works. On another note, all this tvz imbalance talk is really stupid. Such a small sample of players and number of games. The fact remains, whoever plays best will win the game. Not who has the "best" race. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
On January 20 2017 19:26 Jae Zedong wrote: That's not the whole evidence though. Show me single game where Flash lost a standard TvZ in the last 3 months (and not obviously distracted by chat or not taking the game seriously). In the Kespa era there was at least hope for the Zerg to reach the lategame, but with the current mech switch that is off the table as well. Flash, and to some extent Last, will just shut you out of the game if you play standard against them. Getting that third up is a nightmare. Zergs are relegated to funky tactics and cheese to try and catch the T off guard ever since TvZ was more or less perfected by Flash in the current era. Not sure if trolling or really lazy to do some research. If you watch Flash's youtube channel he loses plenty of late game TvZs to Hero and Effort. And those were him going 5 rax. Also did you watch the ASL group match Last vs Hero where it was 5 rax vs 3 hatch muta, Hero defended it and proceeded to win the game. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On January 20 2017 21:56 Zera wrote: Two days ago. You are welcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzeOEqS1t9k He builds plenty of valkyries this game. This isnt standard by any means. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On January 21 2017 00:21 Foxxan wrote: Not exactly abnormal either...He builds plenty of valkyries this game. This isnt standard by any means. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
it is great that SC BW is having a resurgence, though.. how ever big/small it might be in comparison to the old days | ||
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
On January 21 2017 00:25 MaGic~PhiL wrote: for the guys that werent around in the "golden days" some footage it is great that SC BW is having a resurgence, though.. how ever big/small it might be in comparison to the old days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-42JO3qk Pretty sure this ASL could have filled that venue also tbh, Afreeca just went with a criminally undersized studio. Tastosis said as much in their cast, that the current BW fanbase in Korea is just as big as during the glory days. ASL2 semifinals had more online viewers than any other StarCraft tournament ever, including SC2. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
On January 21 2017 03:59 Jae Zedong wrote: Pretty sure this ASL could have filled that venue also tbh, Afreeca just went with a criminally undersized studio. Tastosis said as much in their cast, that the current BW fanbase in Korea is just as big as during the glory days. ASL2 semifinals had more online viewers than any other StarCraft tournament ever, including SC2. Do they have any hard data to back up the popularity claim? As for the viewer numbers, it's impossible to compare it with BW at its peak because then it was mainly watched on the TV, not online. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
On January 20 2017 20:00 Jae Zedong wrote: How did I belittle Flash lol. I said he basically perfected TvZ. He's making the absolute most out of what he is given, it's just that his pieces are a little bit better. Like playing white in Chess. Exactly. When you say someone achieved something because they had an "advantage", you belittle all the sacrifice, hard work, and effort that they have put in to get to where they are. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On January 20 2017 19:01 Miragee wrote: Historically, imbalances in BW have mostly been map-dependend. Sure BW is not perfectly balanced. But it's inherent balance is so good that the remaining imbalances can "easily" be come by map design. That said, we haven't fully understand what map design leans the map in favour of a certain match-up. But that can be tested. It also might require meta-game shifts. So yeah FS was historically balanced during KeSPA while we had maps during the Savior era that really played in the hands of the terrans at that time. FS seems to be imbalanced post-KeSPA. I think it's not the fault of the map but more because players got worse and the meta shifted because of that. I think a big part of FS not being balanced anymore is because zerg players' muta micro got worse which enabled terrans to rush to the easily accessible third much quicker. That gave them an enormous boost for the late game. I don't think you can really master playing against 3-3 mech as zerg... Yea, what I should say is other Zergs were/are significantly better at it, both Kespa era and now. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4015 Posts
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
the end. | ||
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Pleasuremann
20 Posts
bbbb [b]User was warned for this post | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On January 21 2017 16:27 Bakuryu wrote: can we stop this imbalance talk please? jaedong made too many mistakes and lost because of it. the end. | ||
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Pleasuremann
20 Posts
Nah man. People seem to feel entitled to directing their vitriol at people. Screw that noise. inControl talked a little about that sort thing- it's different when there's a handful of people yelling at you. It's an entirely different thing when it's thousands of people directing their vitriol at you. Angry internet mobs because that's really what it is- an angry mob, is not something that needs a defence. Have you seen any of NBA finals at any time in the last 5 years? Those stadiums seat 20,000 people. The vast majority of them decided it was a good idea to boo every time LBJ had possession of the ball. Every time. In most of the games, this lasted into the second quarter before they gave up, but would pick back up whenever he went to the free throw line, or when the game tightened up toward the end. As he gets off the bus: http://fansided.com/2016/06/13/warriors-fans-mercilessly-boo-lebron-james-ahead-of-game-5-video/ During warmups: Recap: http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2016/06/fiercely_booed_lebron_james_al_1.html After his decision to go to Miami: http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-booed-outside-carmelo-anthony-wedding-071010 Lots of players get hate, it's a part of competitive life. Here's Steph Curry getting his at the championship parade: This isn't unique to basketball, either.. It happens in football, to Tom Brady for example, who has received maybe the most hate of any QB. Fans are not shy about sharing their opinion of him in whatever way they can. Here is an article publicly ranking his perceived illegitimacy: http://www.patspulpit.com/2016/5/19/11713994/tom-brady-is-5th-most-hated-player-in-nfl-per-sporting-news Here he is being acknowledged amongst elites whom also won MVP trophies just before the superbowl: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/2/7/10933524/tom-brady-boos-super-bowl-introduction-patiots-panthers-broncos-nfl However, afterward, there is no twitter post which might read,"You know, the hate broadcasted my way by a stadium of 20,000 people, and potentially 100,000,000 worldwide on live TV while I was being recognized for a ifetime of sacrifice and determination really makes me question why I'm doing this." I see the issue. But what's the alternative? You say people think they're entitled. Sure they are. You say screw that noise. But what do you plan to do about it? Do you see Esports as different? Perhaps that the prominent and exceptional figures within it should not be subject to the same inherent rigors and scrutinies of their professional athlete contemporaries? If so, why? I think the only viable option is for Flash and other standout figures in their arenas like them is to develop resiliencies because of these challenges. Every great before them has as will likely every one after. I stand by the statements in my original post. | ||
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