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[ASL2] Ro8 Flash vs Guemchi
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BigFan
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Afreeca TV (BisuDagger and FlashFTW) twitch TV (Tasteless/Rapid and Artosis) ASL Youtube Channel with both English and Korean Stream | ||
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BigFan
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Poll: Heart? Flash (27) Guemchi (9) 36 total votes Your vote: Heart? | ||
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classicyellow83
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Guemchi: "I think i'm going to lose 0-3 or 1-3" Flash: "I think I'm going to win 3-0 or 3-1" | ||
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classicyellow83
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This is what Flash said when his chat was going like "Easy 8th round". "Congrats on round 4" | ||
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thezanursic
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On January 08 2017 18:16 classicyellow83 wrote: Flash: "I never underestimate my opponents. I have always prepared same. I prepare till I think it's perfect. It does not matter if the person is ranked first or last. If I do lose, it's never because of lack of preparation nor is it because I underestimate my opponent" This is what Flash said when his chat was going like "Easy 8th round". "Congrats on round 4" Well that's encouraging. | ||
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On January 08 2017 18:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: thats an awesome reward man i hate you | ||
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On January 08 2017 18:52 amorpheus wrote: Flash ftw! See this guy gets it! I agree! | ||
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00:02 Emnjay808 last time he looked like a overweight viking | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:03 arbiter_md wrote: Do we have a Korean steam on youtube? I see only English stream now. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 19:05 Heartland wrote: Geumchi looks like a nerd stereotype His girlfriend is cute though. ![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0lr85qHvMgg/maxresdefault.jpg) | ||
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usopsama
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On January 08 2017 19:05 Heartland wrote: Geumchi looks like a nerd stereotype Flash looks like a God stereotype | ||
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classicyellow83
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Shes at the studio right now sitting next to Britney | ||
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Heartland
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On January 08 2017 19:08 classicyellow83 wrote: Shes at the studio right now sitting next to Britney She is. Also, well, I am trying to say this in the least disparaging way possible, but she looks like every Korean girl | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 08 2017 19:02 Xeln4g4 wrote: Flash 3-0 ... i could put money on this! I bet you 5 imaginary dollars it will be 3-1 instead. Still Flash. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 19:09 GTR wrote: omg its the proleague ace match music OMG It is. | ||
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thezanursic
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On January 08 2017 19:09 Heartland wrote: She is. Also, well, I am trying to say this in the least disparaging way possible, but she looks like every Korean girl It's almost as if she was Korean! What you mean to say is that she possibly had the double eyelid surgery done, right? | ||
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classicyellow83
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Heartland
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On January 08 2017 19:10 thezanursic wrote: It's almost as if she was Korean! What you mean to say is that she possibly had the double eyelid surgery done, right? And a bit more than that I guess? | ||
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Heartland
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On January 08 2017 19:11 classicyellow83 wrote: That's a beautiful picture. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 19:16 Emnjay808 wrote: i always wondered what pocari sweat tasted like. i imagine its like the white powerade except a lot less sweet. very close. | ||
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Heartland
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On January 08 2017 19:16 Emnjay808 wrote: i always wondered what pocari sweat tasted like. i imagine its like the white powerade except a lot less sweet. I always thought it tasted like light grape or sprite or something. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 19:18 GTR wrote: grapefruit-flavored gatorade thats clear would be the best description. you are awesome. | ||
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GTR
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although sometimes gatorade/powerade is cheaper so i'd just get that instead lol | ||
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Heartland
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On January 08 2017 19:20 GTR wrote: well when you go out drinking every night in korea 2l bottles of pocari sweat become all too common in the post-drinking stage before passing out although sometimes gatorade/powerade is cheaper so i'd just get that instead lol The sweat part of the name makes it sound so disgusting though. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 19:22 thezanursic wrote: Shit that tank snipe, the Guemchi upset is starting You mean Flash's comeback. | ||
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GTR
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On January 08 2017 19:21 Heartland wrote: The sweat part of the name makes it sound so disgusting though. The reference to sweat in the name of the beverage tends to have a certain off-putting or humorous connotation for native English speakers. However, the name was chosen by the manufacturers originally for the purpose of marketing the product as a sports drink in Japan, where English words are used differently. It was largely derived from the notion of what it is intended to supply to the drinker: all of the nutrients and electrolytes lost when sweating. The first part of the name, Pocari, does not have any meaning; the word was coined for its light, bright sound. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:20 GTR wrote: well when you go out drinking every night in korea 2l bottles of pocari sweat become all too common in the post-drinking stage before passing out although sometimes gatorade/powerade is cheaper so i'd just get that instead lol Are you saying that Flash has been functioning alcoholic all these years. Shiiiiit | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 19:23 Grettin wrote: Are you saying that Flash has been functioning alcoholic all these years. Shiiiiit High functioning. | ||
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Heartland
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On January 08 2017 19:22 GTR wrote: The reference to sweat in the name of the beverage tends to have a certain off-putting or humorous connotation for native English speakers. However, the name was chosen by the manufacturers originally for the purpose of marketing the product as a sports drink in Japan, where English words are used differently. It was largely derived from the notion of what it is intended to supply to the drinker: all of the nutrients and electrolytes lost when sweating. The first part of the name, Pocari, does not have any meaning; the word was coined for its light, bright sound. Go! Prime! Win! Prime! : D | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:25 Elyvilon wrote: There's a Korean supermarket like a 5 minute walk from where I live and I can confirm that Pocari Sweat tastes like shit =O You've tasted shit? | ||
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no comment | ||
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classicyellow83
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This is what he said he's going to do on this map. | ||
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Elyvilon
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On January 08 2017 19:27 thezanursic wrote: Fuck, I know we are 1 game in, but I'm more impressed by Guemchi right now than Bisu in his match vs Sea. Bisu was really bad in that series, I was incredibly disappointed | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 08 2017 19:27 thezanursic wrote: Fuck, I know we are 1 game in, but I'm more impressed by Guemchi right now than Bisu in his match vs Sea. His game management is so much better. Bisu played much too aggressive. He's basically doing everything you want to be able to do as P. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:31 thezanursic wrote: I think that was super cost efficient for Guemchi, I think he is ahead even more Or not, I guess that's just because Flash was engaging Guemchi uphill unsieged and I thought it Guemchi took a bit more than he did | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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Though his indecisiveness on the recalls was disappointing. | ||
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Elyvilon
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On January 08 2017 19:34 Terrorbladder wrote: lmao how tf did Flash win this game, he's showing us glimpses of his peak TvP I think, because guemchi lost that big army in that attack on the main, flash was able to put his army on or near the high ground before guemchi's next set of units popped out and that was too much territory gained still by far the best game of the quarters so far | ||
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Poll: Game 1? Yes (25) If you have time (3) No (0) 28 total votes Your vote: Game 1? | ||
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thezanursic
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On January 08 2017 19:37 Elyvilon wrote: I think, because guemchi lost that big army in that attack on the main, flash was able to put his army on or near the high ground before guemchi's next set of units popped out and that was too much territory gained still by far the best game of the quarters so far I don't know BeSt had some pretty impressive play against herO | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:34 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Ok Flash is a god. Hands down. Crazy. To me the fight at the protoss nat was an iloveoov macro moment of the post kespa era. Did I mention crazy? Insane. Nah, Guemchi just let Flash get into the best position he would like. Guemchi lost that game. All Flash did was to turtle up to 200/200 on 3 bases and attack (the right thing). | ||
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(I missed the early game though) | ||
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phosphorylation
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could have been a game changer | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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On January 08 2017 19:38 Miragee wrote: Nah, Guemchi just let Flash get into the best position he would like. Guemchi lost that game. All Flash did was to turtle up to 200/200 on 3 bases and attack (the right thing). Yup. Max upgrades or close 200/200 Terran mech army is almost unstoppable. It's like fighting from the high ground once you have it... P has to do something pretty special to beat it, or has to beat T before game gets to that point. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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On January 08 2017 19:39 HolydaKing wrote: I thought the game was kinda one sided... Not that fun. (I missed the early game though) GuemChi did pretty well early game. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 08 2017 19:38 Miragee wrote: Nah, Guemchi just let Flash get into the best position he would like. Guemchi lost that game. All Flash did was to turtle up to 200/200 on 3 bases and attack (the right thing). You are a traitor to the terran race Im not serious, but flash had fantastic multitask and macro. His army was so huge compared to other terrans in the same amount of time. It's not like Mang doesnt know how to macro, hes a ro8 protoss.He shouldve had more storms though in exchange for 1 arbiter imo. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:40 eekmice wrote: The announcers said that Mang didn't have recall upgraded when the arbiter went to the 6 o clock expo. Man, if he had recall, this game would've been really interesting to watch. *facepalm* its like when killer forgot crack upgrade in ZvT | ||
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Guemchi > Bisu confirmed. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:42 FlaShFTW wrote: *facepalm* its like when killer forgot crack upgrade in ZvT or when stork forgot goon range in pvp | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:39 usopsama wrote: This is the difference between God and human. The human may have a great early game, but God's mid-to-late game is truly godlike. yeah but human has game + Show Spoiler + and god doesn't + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7qUdUuu.png) | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:40 eekmice wrote: The announcers said that Mang didn't have recall upgraded when the arbiter went to the 6 o clock expo. Man, if he had recall, this game would've been really interesting to watch. That's what I thought as well, pretty sure he forgot to upgrade recall considering how the game unfolded | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:42 FlaShFTW wrote: *facepalm* its like when killer forgot crack upgrade in ZvT hehehe | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:44 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah but human has game + Show Spoiler + and god doesn't + Show Spoiler + LOL. Guess it's lonely being God. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:37 Elyvilon wrote: 9 gates in the NW base and he didn't bother to DZDZDZDZ in additional units as his attack at Flash's natural was getting neutered, wewI think, because guemchi lost that big army in that attack on the main, flash was able to put his army on or near the high ground before guemchi's next set of units popped out and that was too much territory gained still by far the best game of the quarters so far | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:44 RouaF wrote: That's what I thought as well, pretty sure he forgot to upgrade recall considering how the game unfolded True. It would've been a very close game then. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:45 Terrorbladder wrote: 9 gates in the NW base and he didn't bother to DZDZDZDZ in additional units as his attack at Flash's natural was getting neutered, wew you have an interesting username... | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:36 [[Starlight]] wrote: Pretty impressive play by GuemChi... went down swinging. Though his indecisiveness on the recalls was disappointing. GuemChi forgot to research recall... xd | ||
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Lol or not. | ||
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He is betting on Flash turtling. | ||
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Arbiter tech. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:57 gngfn wrote: Has Flash ever explained on stream why he drops a tank instead of two more vultures? I assume it's because if a sieged tank gets off even one shot one probes it it incredibly brutal | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Flash needs to be very careful here. Nope. Guemchi has like no upgrade. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:59 Elyvilon wrote: I assume it's because if a sieged tank gets off even one shot one probes it it incredibly brutal At best it kills maybe 3 probes, which at the rate of fire of a sieged tank is fewer than two vultures would kill in the same amount of time. I've seen Flash do the 2 vulture+tank drop probably 50 times on his stream and maybe 5 of those times it's done more damage than 4 vultures would have done, not even considering how expensive the tank is in comparison. I really don't get it. | ||
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That recall did basically no damage. | ||
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but god is god | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:09 Qikz wrote: Why is it that when people recall against me ontop of mines nothing dies, but when they do it against Flash the whole recall dies? What am I doing wrong? I think most of the zealots were already damaged from a mine at bottom right, well and instant EMP from Flash on the whole army as it got recalled :D | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:09 Qikz wrote: Why is it that when people recall against me ontop of mines nothing dies, but when they do it against Flash the whole recall dies? What am I doing wrong? did you remember to pray to flash every morning? | ||
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usopsama
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On January 08 2017 20:09 Qikz wrote: Why is it that when people recall against me ontop of mines nothing dies, but when they do it against Flash the whole recall dies? What am I doing wrong? Flash is god. You are human. You are doing nothing wrong. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:09 Garrl wrote: pretty good considering the game started with an almost entirely failed dt attack, which flash got away with being the most greedy possible just holding w/ mines. thats standard for FD. you only need to defend with mines while stalling for turrets and scan. and tahts exactly what flash did. he had perfect mine placement and had perfect reaction to the DTs. thats not greedy. | ||
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Poll: Recommend game 2? yes (16) If you have time (3) no (1) 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 2? | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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On January 08 2017 20:11 phosphorylation wrote: we need dinotoss to take out flash (or at least give us a competitive set) Best has some chance too. He's probably playing the best (no pun intended) of any P right now, and can actually macro with Flash. But looking at these games, wow. Can anyone really beat Flash's TvP in a bo5. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:14 [[Starlight]] wrote: Best has some chance too. He's probably playing the best (no pun intended) of any P right now, and can actually macro with Flash. But looking at these games, wow. Can anyone really beat Flash's TvP in a bo5. Right. Best vs Flash Bo5 would be highly entertaining. Best can not only macro but his decision making and micro has also been exceptional. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 08 2017 20:14 [[Starlight]] wrote: Best has some chance too. He's probably playing the best (no pun intended) of any P right now, and can actually macro with Flash. But looking at these games, wow. Can anyone really beat Flash's TvP in a bo5. Last person to beat Flash in a bo5 as protoss was Best. But, that was way back in April or May. Best beat him 2 bo5's in a row. But, Flash avenged it right away with 2 bo5s in a row. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:11 FlaShFTW wrote: thats standard for FD. you only need to defend with mines while stalling for turrets and scan. and tahts exactly what flash did. he had perfect mine placement and had perfect reaction to the DTs. thats not greedy. ye, greedy wrong word, i meant that he took 0 damage despite holding it with just mines | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:17 Zera wrote: I think Sea is the only one cappable of winning against Flash in series didn't you see sea 2fac with 1 proxied against flash going rax CC and losing | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:20 BigFan wrote: Let's go guemchi! Reverse sweep incoming! "Yes... I'll have whatever drugs he's having." | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:23 Terrorbladder wrote: isn't Flash vs Jaedong the potential semifinal, not Flash vs Best? unless jaedong manages to play better I think it'll be flash vs stork | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:09 Qikz wrote: Why is it that when people recall against me ontop of mines nothing dies, but when they do it against Flash the whole recall dies? What am I doing wrong? Flash uses a set square to place mines in perfect angles and distance to each other. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:23 Terrorbladder wrote: isn't Flash vs Jaedong the potential semifinal, not Flash vs Best? They are talking about the finals. Nobody is expecting Flash to lose.... | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:28 juvenal wrote: Is Shine being a deliberately shitty observer? He's bitter about not making it to ASL even though he's the one who put in destination. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:41 usopsama wrote: Recalling into a defending terran is just throwing your units away. all he needed to do was keep flash's army home, which is why flash is doing this yolo push | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:45 Terrorbladder wrote: 3 player maps are stupid Why? I think they are cool. | ||
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Poll: Recommend game 3? yes (42) no (0) If you have time (0) 42 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 3? | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: So if Guemchi wins this would mean JD has a better chance of reaching the finals, hmmm Best vs JD finals, hmmm | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:44 usopsama wrote: He has 6 arbiters? What good will that do though? Hard to EMP 'em all. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:47 Hall0wed wrote: HE BLEEDS 300: "And the world will know, that even a God can bleed." | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:19 Elyvilon wrote: didn't you see sea 2fac with 1 proxied against flash going rax CC and losing Too be fair, Rax cc is the best build for that reason. It's pretty much unbreakable if played correctly. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:47 BigFan wrote: Poll: Recommend game 3? yes (42) no (0) If you have time (0) 42 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 3? There is a poll already that is much more fitting. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:47 ShAd_1337 wrote: fLASh will loose 2-3 Nah. Fun to say, tho'. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:47 BigFan wrote: Poll: Recommend game 3? yes (42) no (0) If you have time (0) 42 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 3? Where's FUCK YES?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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He'll go down in a blaze of glory as Flash is the anti carrier master. | ||
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Yes, except, Stork's gonna beat JD on TUE. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:48 Miragee wrote: There is a poll already that is much more fitting. haha saw it too late XD | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:50 Qikz wrote: Carriers next game from Guemchi, calling it now. He'll go down in a blaze of glory as Flash is the anti carrier master. I just want to watch Flash vs Stork with epic carrier vs goliath battles. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:49 outscar wrote: Where's FUCK YES?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! previous poll | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:20 BigFan wrote: Let's go guemchi! Reverse sweep incoming! | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:49 BigFan wrote: wp by Guemchi. He had really close moments though. Recalls were pretty good aside from that one terrible one lol. Wonder if he'll try to play the next game the same way. That game was really impressive by Guemchi, maybe there is something to this guy, whatever happens will look at Guemchi differently from now on | ||
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It would be poetic tbh, after JD failed to beat Best two times now in the tournament them meeting in the finals would be awesome :D | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:51 thezanursic wrote: That game was really impressive by Guemchi, maybe there is something to this guy, whatever happens will look at Guemchi differently from now on +1. Guem has been scrappy af. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:51 thezanursic wrote: That game was really impressive by Guemchi, maybe there is something to this guy, whatever happens will look at Guemchi differently from now on maybe, I'm excited to see if he'll go all the way. BELIEVE! | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: It would be poetic tbh, after JD failed to beat Best two times now in the tournament them meeting in the finals would be awesome :D its an actual storyline. also twitching from flash | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: It would be poetic tbh, after JD failed to beat Best two times now in the tournament them meeting in the finals would be awesome :D and jaedong winning it all | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:53 [[Starlight]] wrote: What will Flash do vs the Arbiter–Train this time around? Concede. | ||
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Hahahaha... no. | ||
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On January 08 2017 20:50 Qikz wrote: Carriers next game from Guemchi, calling it now. Building carriers against Flash is the worst possible strategy. Only Best can pull it off. | ||
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That would be the dream ofc :D But yeah let's not get ahead of ourselves, flash will win 3:1 now :D | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:00 classicyellow83 wrote: 4 fac Rush!! Flash clearly not confident in his late game now | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:01 Lucumo wrote: Flash clearly not confident in his late game now this isn;t allin. Flash didnt stop scv production. You see him getting third>? | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:03 classicyellow83 wrote: this isn;t allin. Flash didnt stop scv production. You see him getting third>? Never said it was, though. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:05 Warfie wrote: guemchi surely knows how dead he is When he realizes that there are more tanks than dragoons. | ||
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On January 08 2017 19:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: HYPE! 3-1 Flash. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:04 Heyoka wrote: Rare footage of Flash actually angry hahahaha also now we need to go full circle and see a split second still of Flash saying "I'll be waiting for you" during the Jaedong-Stork match ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/e/e4/Flashpopup.png) | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dsjc91C.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CNcDodK.jpg) Oh my god. I am so hyped for Stork vs Jaedong that my body is shaking in excitement. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:11 classicyellow83 wrote: Flash used drop ships every game on benzene during his stream. I think Guemchi never expected 4 fac rush. Yeah, and he would have held it easily, if he didn't lose half a dozen units to spidermines. His production that came up at that point was far superior. Flash was down to 3 tanks and half a control group of vultures. If Guemchi would have had those units from earlier he would have destroyed the push. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:12 usopsama wrote: That is sick. I kinda want one now. | ||
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On January 08 2017 18:07 classicyellow83 wrote: Britney asked both Guemchi and Flash what they think the score is gonna be. Guemchi: "I think i'm going to lose 0-3 or 1-3" Flash: "I think I'm going to win 3-0 or 3-1" They both got the score right. | ||
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________ Flash vs Stork Flash vs Jaedong Fucking amazing, whatever happens we get an amazing match, all of these players have soo much history with each other. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:17 arbiter_md wrote: A lot of suiciders in liquibet No, this is quite one-sided. And you aren't winning liquibet by always playing safe. Honestly, the series itself looked quite one-sided but with just a few different moves by Guemchi it could have ended in a much different way. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:19 Miragee wrote: No, this is quite one-sided. And you aren't winning liquibet by always playing safe. Honestly, the series itself looked quite one-sided but with just a few different moves by Guemchi it could have ended in a much different way. Nah i think you definitely win liquibet by always playing safe, that's what i did last season | ||
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Starcraft on main page of naver sports. Pretty awesome! | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:27 phosphorylation wrote: http://m.sports.naver.com/ Starcraft on main page of naver sports. Pretty awesome! God Young Ho - nuff said! I won't be surprised if I lived in Korea and after purchasing a random newspaper I will see Flash's face. | ||
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I bet he rewatches those games and feels a lot of regret. Hopefully this motivates him to keep practicing hard because if he plays like this more often, he can hang with anyone, at least in PvT. I bet Best was taking notes because if Best prepared some of these dirty builds and then followed it up with his late game PvT execution, look out. Flash didn't look like he ever got comfortable or felt sharp. His play relies on getting certain details, which he rarely misses, but did today. But it can be tough to be a heavy favorite in TvP, a matchup where you know Protoss might throw anything at you. | ||
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Is that a tease or just hope | ||
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- I am Flash | ||
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But all this stayin' up late is really killin' my sleep.  | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:42 ortseam wrote: This ASL has actually been T<Z<P<T Whoever's been in the best recent form has won and overcome any minor race imba in the process, yes. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:42 ortseam wrote: This ASL has actually been T<Z<P<T I agree with you and my view: P is best in the first 10 minutes, T is best about 11-20 minutes and Z is best in the remain time of the game. | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote: I don't think you can get a golden mouse anymore. Didn't know the scarf also doubled as a mouse. Cool tech. | ||
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On January 08 2017 22:59 Arca(Crema) wrote: The VOD on youtube keeps skipping and is unwatchable, does anybody know where I can find english cast VOD for this? Thanks Here you go: http://afreeca.tv/36833823/v/57014 | ||
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On January 08 2017 22:13 sixfour wrote: Watched on my phone so didn't comment in thread. Think Guemchi played pretty well, but just couldn't keep up with the macro in a later game. It'd be interesting to see how Flash would do against someone like Stork who wouldn't do the little things like forgetting recall, now that we've seen some things that will allow Protoss to get an advantage I know a player called Stork who forgot the goon range in a very crucial game .(Even if GuemChi hadn't forgotten to research recall, the game was lost anyway for him). | ||
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On January 08 2017 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: the latter, I don't want to get people's hopes up by talking about stuff I literally do not know. mhm, we all hope for that though haha | ||
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On January 08 2017 22:59 Arca(Crema) wrote: The VOD on youtube keeps skipping and is unwatchable, does anybody know where I can find english cast VOD for this? Thanks here: http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/57016 | ||
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On January 08 2017 23:40 _Animus_ wrote: Watching game 1 and i really think flash lost his former skill. Such bad decisions, such bad trades. Guemchi had that game as soon as flash get out to secure 3rd, with only 2 siege tanks and he saw it with obs, he didnt believe in himself enough to give this opportunity a chance... Then a terrible late game army management from guemchi. Looking to me as if hes focused only on prolonging game ,while he dont stand a chance vs flash in a late game. Thats a losers mindset, Guemchi had so many opportunities to win earlier... Obviously. His prime is many years ago, he is a streamer now and not a whole team and trainers supporting him anymore. He aged well, but he still aged and he will never be as good as he was again. ASL is an awesome tournament, but it's a streamer tournament and not comparable to OSL/MSL. He is still among if not the very best player this game has, which is pretty impressive. Unless BW teams re-emerge, stay for some years and get new blood in I doubt we will ever see someone play on the level Flash had in his prime ever again. Edit: He also is free for the first time. He has money, he is semi-famous and can decide what he wants to do. So he probably trains less, drinks more and enjoys the company of female fans and that's well deserved. | ||
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On January 08 2017 23:40 _Animus_ wrote: Watching game 1 and i really think flash lost his former skill. Such bad decisions, such bad trades. Guemchi had that game as soon as flash get out to secure 3rd, with only 2 siege tanks and he saw it with obs, he didnt believe in himself enough to give this opportunity a chance... Then a terrible late game army management from guemchi. Looking to me as if hes focused only on prolonging game ,while he dont stand a chance vs flash in a late game. Thats a losers mindset, Guemchi had so many opportunities to win earlier... He did say he hated his performance. BTW, he mismicroed those units and those weren't bad decisions ( he said himself). He's been wrecking the scene with 80% win rate in sponsored matchups so far. Flash did not lose his former skills lmao. Once again, another D rank iccup talking nonsense | ||
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On January 09 2017 01:36 Shinokuki wrote: He did say he hated his performance. BTW, he mismicroed those units and those weren't bad decisions ( he said himself). He's been wrecking the scene with 80% win rate in sponsored matchups so far. Flash did not lose his former skills lmao. Once again, another D rank iccup talking nonsense Whoa dude cool it with the personal attacks, this is ridiculous. Of course Flash has lost skill since he trained 12 hours/day with a full team of coaches, practice partners, and a regular salary. You don't have to be an A-ranked player or even particularly skilled at BW to see that flash now is not as good as flash 5 years ago. You can be a fanboy all you want and you can disagree with his observations but jumping down someone's throat makes you look like a jerk. | ||
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On January 09 2017 01:14 Hildegard wrote: Obviously. His prime is many years ago, he is a streamer now and not a whole team and trainers supporting him anymore. He aged well, but he still aged and he will never be as good as he was again. ASL is an awesome tournament, but it's a streamer tournament and not comparable to OSL/MSL. He is still among if not the very best player this game has, which is pretty impressive. Unless BW teams re-emerge, stay for some years and get new blood in I doubt we will ever see someone play on the level Flash had in his prime ever again. Edit: He also is free for the first time. He has money, he is semi-famous and can decide what he wants to do. So he probably trains less, drinks more and enjoys the company of female fans and that's well deserved. Probably. There is still a little hope but I personally don't see a scene with teams coming back. On January 09 2017 02:09 tedster wrote: Whoa dude cool it with the personal attacks, this is ridiculous. Of course Flash has lost skill since he trained 12 hours/day with a full team of coaches, practice partners, and a regular salary. You don't have to be an A-ranked player or even particularly skilled at BW to see that flash now is not as good as flash 5 years ago. You can be a fanboy all you want and you can disagree with his observations but jumping down someone's throat makes you look like a jerk. This. Very well put. | ||
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On topic, Guemchi had some pretty nice ideas today I thought, but Flash's execution was a head and shoulders above. In fact, in a couple of cases, if their execution was equal then with his strategy I would certainly see Guemchi taking more games. It felt like game three was an example of a player out-strategising the other enough significantly, and being able to just about not fall so far behind in execution as to lose regardless. | ||
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tedster
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On January 09 2017 04:39 ImbaTosS wrote: Honestly, I genuinely support a more healthy BW scene in which players aren't expected to practice 24/7 just to be competitive. Yes, we can expect excellence from many and particularly from the best, but I believe we are already seeing that and at some point, the level of skill on display is more than enough to make for fantastic games, even if it isn't quite what it was a few years back. If the players are happy, more sociable, able to pursue other interests etc, I'm 100% behind that. On topic, Guemchi had some pretty nice ideas today I thought, but Flash's execution was a head and shoulders above. In fact, in a couple of cases, if their execution was equal then with his strategy I would certainly see Guemchi taking more games. It felt like game three was an example of a player out-strategising the other enough significantly, and being able to just about not fall so far behind in execution as to lose regardless. On the one hand I definitely agree with this, but I still think there needs to be some sort of profit-spreading system in order for there to be the option for players to pursue BW at all. I'm honestly not sure there's a happy medium, but if there is, it would be having higher base salaries for players resulting in less money pooling at the top and less of an all-consuming need to be one of the top 5 players to actually matter in the scene. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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usopsama
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On January 09 2017 05:08 Starlightsun wrote: Game 4 was a beauty. Can't wait for Flash vs Jaedong. Yep, same here. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On January 09 2017 05:08 Starlightsun wrote: Game 4 was a beauty. Can't wait for Flash vs Stork Gonna be hype. | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On January 09 2017 05:06 tedster wrote: On the one hand I definitely agree with this, but I still think there needs to be some sort of profit-spreading system in order for there to be the option for players to pursue BW at all. I'm honestly not sure there's a happy medium, but if there is, it would be having higher base salaries for players resulting in less money pooling at the top and less of an all-consuming need to be one of the top 5 players to actually matter in the scene. The problem with increasing the money in the scene at all is that it's pretty correlated to how much time people are willing to put into the game. If we magically re instituted proleague and gave every regular player an annual salary of a million dollars, people would be training their asses off even more than before. The more money in the scene the more this happens. The reason players can relax more now is that the stakes are a lot lower now. This is a problem with competitive E-sports. Unlike most other sports, the physical limit on how much you can train productively is much looser. With your muscles, you train them for a certain amount of time and the most productive way to spend the rest of your time is to rest them. With e-sports, physical strain is a much smaller factor so practice times can lengthen to unhealthy levels. In addition, the type of practice that video game players do is less conducive to a healthy lifestyle than regular atheletes. Great series btw. Game 3 had me on the edge of my seat/seat of my pants/pants of my edge. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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necrosexy
451 Posts
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Miragee
8470 Posts
On January 09 2017 13:07 Dazed_Spy wrote: To be honest, your never going to recreate the conditions of proleague teams or the environment of obsessive training-- the obsessive training wasnt useful in the first place. Practicing the same thing for 14 hours a day without proper food, exercise, sleep, or breaks, is not an efficient way of learning something. Period. Obviously you do need to practice alot, and have a lot of practice partners with whom you can trust and trade strategies, somethings teams helped out with. The flip of that was that you were beholden to the team and your replays were secret, amateurs only hope of 'breaking in' was to join a top korean clan, gradually go up the ranks and eventually become a C team player for a proteam (i.e online practice partner). A lot of the "secrets" of the top pros werent really known, and it was hard to find leaked replays, though obviously far from impossible as we have literally thousands. But now we have streaming, and individual income, and the incentive from that will ensure that the scene never goes back to a point where all the top players are insulated in a secret bubble. This is a totally new era where you can get hundreds of hours of FPVODS from anyone at any time, basically. I think you got the wrong idea about pro teams. They had proper food, exercise, sleep and breaks. Obviously not all teams had that similarly but it developed a lot towards the better over the years. The stories of 14 hour training without breaks came from specific players like Flash or Jaedong who were practicing for a specific match and did it by their own choice. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On January 09 2017 04:39 ImbaTosS wrote: Honestly, I genuinely support a more healthy BW scene in which players aren't expected to practice 24/7 just to be competitive. Yes, we can expect excellence from many and particularly from the best, but I believe we are already seeing that and at some point, the level of skill on display is more than enough to make for fantastic games, even if it isn't quite what it was a few years back. If the players are happy, more sociable, able to pursue other interests etc, I'm 100% behind that. On topic, Guemchi had some pretty nice ideas today I thought, but Flash's execution was a head and shoulders above. In fact, in a couple of cases, if their execution was equal then with his strategy I would certainly see Guemchi taking more games. It felt like game three was an example of a player out-strategising the other enough significantly, and being able to just about not fall so far behind in execution as to lose regardless. I think flash played poorly. The last game was the only one wherein he played somewhat ok. But I'm not as pessimistic as some people. The 1st game he carelessly lost tanks on his initial push, which was huge. I saw him do that against a foreigner in his last WCG; so it's not like he was immune to that during his prime. And like ImbaToss said, a more "healthy" BW scene sounds pretty ok. And I think I can see that in the way some of the other top players play. I can't quite describe it. They're playing different now. And it's not necessarily worse. It's like they're playing a more freestyle type of play. They don't have the precision that they had during their prime. But it still has their signature. And they're more willing to try and experiment again, even during live matches (before, all that is probably done in the practice room). Finally, I think Flash not getting back to his prime isn't necessarily a bad thing. It makes what he was able to reach that much more special. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6505 Posts
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Piste
6167 Posts
On January 09 2017 13:07 Dazed_Spy wrote: To be honest, your never going to recreate the conditions of proleague teams or the environment of obsessive training-- the obsessive training wasnt useful in the first place. Practicing the same thing for 14 hours a day without proper food, exercise, sleep, or breaks, is not an efficient way of learning something. Period. Obviously you do need to practice alot, and have a lot of practice partners with whom you can trust and trade strategies, somethings teams helped out with. The flip of that was that you were beholden to the team and your replays were secret, amateurs only hope of 'breaking in' was to join a top korean clan, gradually go up the ranks and eventually become a C team player for a proteam (i.e online practice partner). A lot of the "secrets" of the top pros werent really known, and it was hard to find leaked replays, though obviously far from impossible as we have literally thousands. But now we have streaming, and individual income, and the incentive from that will ensure that the scene never goes back to a point where all the top players are insulated in a secret bubble. This is a totally new era where you can get hundreds of hours of FPVODS from anyone at any time, basically. Where you get this info? From what I read most teams had proper schedule for eat, workout and sleep. Gamers who practised all days and nights did it by their own choice (all the best ones). | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On January 09 2017 19:01 Miragee wrote: Really not the impression I got over the last decade of reading on pro bw. I heard about progamers collapsing from lack of sleep or food regularly, emotional abuse and taunting going on within the teams, and information was released at one point years ago showing the pay of players -- c teamers got no pay, b teamers got no pay, and even A (by A list I mean people who are semi regularly on the PL ticket, not potential ace match) list players were barely payed. Only the star players got any money, and even then, only the ones on good teams. Free was barely making anything, for example. And those korean nerds certainly never looked like they worked out, and many of the teams were endemically short of money and on the brink of folding. Maybe there was exercise and a decent regimen in SKT1, I could see that. But hanbit or lecaf? Not likely.I think you got the wrong idea about pro teams. They had proper food, exercise, sleep and breaks. Obviously not all teams had that similarly but it developed a lot towards the better over the years. The stories of 14 hour training without breaks came from specific players like Flash or Jaedong who were practicing for a specific match and did it by their own choice. On January 09 2017 23:28 Piste wrote: Been here a long time, I cant remember where or when everything came out. Idra said some shit, and said some more sporadically through the years, artosis and rekrul, some south koreans posted. There was a thread about the income thing, I'm sure it could be found with a search, it was way back in like 09 or 2010 I think. Also theres choice and then theres "choice".Where you get this info? From what I read most teams had proper schedule for eat, workout and sleep. Gamers who practised all days and nights did it by their own choice (all the best ones). | ||
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Miragee
8470 Posts
On January 10 2017 02:31 Dazed_Spy wrote: Really not the impression I got over the last decade of reading on pro bw. I heard about progamers collapsing from lack of sleep or food regularly, emotional abuse and taunting going on within the teams, and information was released at one point years ago showing the pay of players -- c teamers got no pay, b teamers got no pay, and even A (by A list I mean people who are semi regularly on the PL ticket, not potential ace match) list players were barely payed. Only the star players got any money, and even then, only the ones on good teams. Free was barely making anything, for example. And those korean nerds certainly never looked like they worked out, and many of the teams were endemically short of money and on the brink of folding. Maybe there was exercise and a decent regimen in SKT1, I could see that. But hanbit or lecaf? Not likely. Been here a long time, I cant remember where or when everything came out. Idra said some shit, and said some more sporadically through the years, artosis and rekrul, some south koreans posted. There was a thread about the income thing, I'm sure it could be found with a search, it was way back in like 09 or 2010 I think. Also theres choice and then theres "choice". I remember that income chart and I don't remember about C and B teamers but A teamers made a decent living irrc. About the exercise, there were multiple stories where team houses introduced schedules for mandatory workouts. Some people obviously did more than others but everyone at least had to workout a few times each week. About "they didn't look like it"... Well, they were mostly in suits and stuff. Koreans aren't known for building big ass muscles but more for having slim muscles. There was a very popular thread here on TL, showing of the bodies of pro gamers and quite a few could have been models as far as I'm concerned. //I think for a lot of players it was a lot healthier to be on a good team with schedules for workout, sleep and food (decent food at that) than sitting at their homes all day to play on stream. Some might manage to stay healthy that way others might not. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 09 2017 21:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: celebrating guemchi single win GuemChi needs to go to Bisu's barber. That glorified bowl-cut is not up to the standards of his up n' coming status. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Sea: People think the first game was a good game. It wasn't. The game was won by Guemchi when he killed the tanks. It was unloseable But, he managed to lose it. Sea: I have never seen anyone celebrate after winning one game in bo5. LOL Guemchi: I was ahead every game and lost. Even on CB, I was ahead but, I got too scared of getting EMPed and mis-croed. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 03:49 classicyellow83 wrote: Guemchi forgetting recall upgrade came up during party at britney's and both Flash and Bisu said that the game would have ended earlier (Flash winning) if he recalled at 6 oclock. Sea: People think the first game was a good game. It wasn't. The game was won by Guemchi when he killed the tanks. It was unloseable But, he managed to lose it. Sea: I have never seen anyone celebrate after winning one game in bo5. LOL Guemchi: I was ahead every game and lost. Even on CB, I was ahead but, I got too scared of getting EMPed and mis-croed. Sure didn't feel like GC was ahead in Game 4, must've missed that. Games 1-3, yeah, would agree, he was consistently doing well in early game. | ||
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Miragee
8470 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:51 [[Starlight]] wrote: Sure didn't feel like GC was ahead in Game 4, must've missed that. Games 1-3, yeah, would agree, he was consistently doing well in early game. I quote myself here: On January 08 2017 21:14 Miragee wrote: Yeah, and he would have held it easily, if he didn't lose half a dozen units to spidermines. His production that came up at that point was far superior. Flash was down to 3 tanks and half a control group of vultures. If Guemchi would have had those units from earlier he would have destroyed the push. If you rewatch the game you will notice that Guemchi had both the units and the producation to defend that push rather easily but lost to it in a crushing fashion due to mis-micro. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:58 Miragee wrote: I quote myself here: If you rewatch the game you will notice that Guemchi had both the units and the producation to defend that push rather easily but lost to it in a crushing fashion due to mis-micro. I'll check it out again. But I don't know that 'coulda woulda shoulda' makes it much better for GC. And I like GC, btw. | ||
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Miragee
8470 Posts
On January 11 2017 07:44 [[Starlight]] wrote: I'll check it out again. But I don't know that 'coulda woulda shoulda' makes it much better for GC. Of course not. I said it before, Guemchi lost those games more than anything else. My point here merely was that Guemchi certainly wasn't in a bad spot when the push came in game 4. He just handled it poorly so it looked very one-sided. | ||
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