EPTserious: surprising results for sure. Game 1 was to much of a generic cheese in my opinion. Game two is the PvZ grave La mancha, so keep that in mind, but Bisu coulda shoulda played better. Game three was exciting, but lackluster on Bisu's side. though it makes me sad to say it: Hero deserved this. He played better, he probably prepared better.
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Cele
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serious: surprising results for sure. Game 1 was to much of a generic cheese in my opinion. Game two is the PvZ grave La mancha, so keep that in mind, but Bisu coulda shoulda played better. Game three was exciting, but lackluster on Bisu's side. though it makes me sad to say it: Hero deserved this. He played better, he probably prepared better. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
On August 31 2015 07:54 Cele wrote: props to Bisu for making sure there's a perfect racial balance between SSL'S 9-10 and SSL 11 (Sbenu Season2). Wouldn't have been fair to win again after he wrestled the victory from hero last time (;; serious: surprising results for sure. Game 1 was to much of a generic cheese in my opinion. Game two is the PvZ grave La mancha, so keep that in mind, but Bisu coulda shoulda played better. Game three was exciting, but lackluster on Bisu's side. though it makes me sad to say it: Hero deserved this. He played better, he probably prepared better. Bisu looked extremely tired and possibly sick too. As someone who watches more Bisu then most I could tell immediately something was off. | ||
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feckless
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On August 31 2015 08:05 BisuDagger wrote: Bisu looked extremely tired and possibly sick too. As someone who watches more Bisu then most I could tell immediately something was off. Yes, because as a fan of Bisu you are in a perfect position to make such diagnoses based on appearances. It's not lack of practice or simply poor play or that hero was better (despite also making mistakes and playing sloppily at times, too). No, Bisu "looked extremely tired" and "possibly sick" and, therefore, "something was off". That must be it. You know, to me, he looked more demoralized than anything, especially as the series progressed (or regressed, if you're a Bisu proponent). But that's just an opinion from someone who doesn't watch Bisu more than most, an average Bisu viewer. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
On August 31 2015 09:00 feckless wrote: Yes, because as a fan of Bisu you are in a perfect position to make such diagnoses based on appearances. It's not lack of practice or simply poor play or that hero was better (despite also making mistakes and playing sloppily at times, too). No, Bisu "looked extremely tired" and "possibly sick" and, therefore, "something was off". That must be it. You know, to me, he looked more demoralized than anything, especially as the series progressed (or regressed, if you're a Bisu proponent). But that's just an opinion from someone who doesn't watch Bisu more than most. If you listened to my cast you would know that I said hero was clearly the better player and outplayed Bisu. And hell yeah he looked demoralized. It just felt like he looked that way even from the start. I can have my personal opinion. On a more important note, why are you wasting your energy trying to be an asshole? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8902 Posts
why ask questions to obvious answers | ||
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feckless
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On August 31 2015 09:06 BisuDagger wrote: If you listened to my cast you would know that I said hero was clearly the better player and outplayed Bisu. And hell yeah he looked demoralized. It just felt like he looked that way even from the start. I can have my personal opinion. On a more important note, why are you wasting your energy trying to be an asshole? Not everyone listened to your cast. I just find it funny that every time someone's "hero" loses the excuses immediately start. Bisu looked strong for a while in game three, if he had won that one and ended up still losing the series, would these "sick" and "tired" excuses have been paraded about? Or is it just because he got handed three losses in a row? Also, it's not like Bisu played sloppily and hero was playing perfectly the entire time. Like those rage-inducing DTs. Worker losses like that not are not trivial, especially for Zerg. Yet hero still won, why? If you think it's (partly) because Bisu was (possibly) sick or tired, fine. free looked the same way in the semis versus hero. Also, how am I being an asshole? Because I simply replied with my own personal opinion to your personal opinion? | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On August 31 2015 09:08 evilfatsh1t wrote: cause he clearly thinks bisu fans are petty and he wants to see more tears why ask questions to obvious answers I don't really give a damn who is a fan of who, and who ultimately wins or loses. I care about the game. Sure, there are players I tend to like to watch, but I don't take it overboard. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 31 2015 09:17 feckless wrote: Not everyone listened to your cast. I just find it funny that every time someone's "hero" loses the excuses immediately start. Bisu looked strong for a while in game three, if he had won that one and ended up still losing the series, would these "sick" and "tired" excuses have been paraded about? Or is it just because he got handed three losses in a row? Also, it's not like Bisu played sloppily and hero was playing perfectly the entire time. Like those rage-inducing DTs. Worker losses like that not are not trivial, especially for Zerg. Yet hero still won, why? If you think it's (partly) because Bisu was (possibly) sick or tired, fine. free looked the same way in the semis versus hero. Also, how am I being an asshole? Because I simply replied with my own personal opinion to your personal opinion? Yeah, you really don't have to be hostile to try to prove a point. By.hero played excellently and deserved his win here, but it is fair to point out that Bisu wasn't playing as well as he does at his best. He was the better player in that series and that's why he won. You are using rather ugly language to accuse someone who is making a rather valid point of being whiny and unwilling to accept results. That is how you are being an asshole. | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On August 31 2015 09:36 LegalLord wrote: Yeah, you really don't have to be hostile to try to prove a point. By.hero played excellently and deserved his win here, but it is fair to point out that Bisu wasn't playing as well as he does at his best. He was the better player in that series and that's why he won. You are using rather ugly language to accuse someone who is making a rather valid point of being whiny and unwilling to accept results. That is how you are being an asshole. I really don't think I was being hostile, but if that's the perception gleaned, I apologize. I wasn't aware, also, that "ugly language" was being used. If BisuDagger thinks I accused him of being a whiner or someone unwilling to accept the results of the tournament, that was not the point, so apologies. It just didn't seem surprising at all to me that a Bisu fan was making excuses for Bisu, that's the way I perceived it. If I could make a response to what seems to be a valid point (so I am not accused of being an asshole): the way I see it, the mistakes attributed to Bisu were far larger than being simply off. He didn't just play sloppily, he played terribly, perhaps even uncharacteristically so. Sure, there were also sorts of cringeworthy things like storming your own probes, but those were the least of his mistakes. hero made all sorts of sloppy errors, too, like the aforementioned rage-inducing DTs. It wasn't tactical errors that cost Bisu the series, it was strategic ones. At one point in game three he was decimating hero's armies. He looked strong. He looked ahead. But he still lost. Because he wasn't actually looking ahead. Because he was strategically unprepared for a resurgent hero. hero simply had his number and he executed his games with such strategic precision where Bisu had no response, where hero seemed to be dictating the ebb and flow of the games, and where hero could make mistakes here and there and still win. To me that suggests a complete lack of preparation on Bisu's part and is far more insidious than simply being sick or tired. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 30 2015 20:13 [[Starlight]] wrote: I really liked SSL11 and followed it pretty much all the way through, staying up late nights here on the Pacific Coast to watch the games live. Few complaints, other than I think Mind vs Hero would've been a better Finals. It may not be a true 'back in the day' OSL or an MSL, but it's pretty darn good and the best we have right now, and/or will have, unless Bliz re-releases BW in some sort of updated form and all the hypeuuuu truly comes back. Be thankful for what you have.  Certainly what we have here is much better than the limbo of just a few years ago, and we have Sonic and OGN (and our own local contributors) to thank for that. But it's a shadow of what it once was, both in scope/size nor in spirit (early-era BW wasn't fancy but it sure was spirited), and that makes it a bit hard to really feel much of anything, whether or not the players I like end up winning. I used to be willing to stay up the entire night just so that I could watch random proleague games, because it was fun and lively. Nowadays, even for pretty big and important games I am rarely willing to skip sleep. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this scene is not what it used to be. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On August 31 2015 09:59 LegalLord wrote: Certainly what we have here is much better than the limbo of just a few years ago, and we have Sonic and OGN (and our own local contributors) to thank for that. But it's a shadow of what it once was, both in scope/size nor in spirit (early-era BW wasn't fancy but it sure was spirited), and that makes it a bit hard to really feel much of anything, whether or not the players I like end up winning. I used to be willing to stay up the entire night just so that I could watch random proleague games, because it was fun and lively. Nowadays, even for pretty big and important games I am rarely willing to skip sleep. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this scene is not what it used to be. Hey I will take a "shadow" (still a damn enjoyable one, i must say) over not having a scene at all... I am just extremely thankful that I was sweating balls and swearing in excitement as I watched game of broodwar go down LIVE in 2015 -- along with thousands in the live audience and many more watching through tv/streams of course, i would love the scene to live back to its former glorious heights , but what we have now is still remarkable and highly enjoyable | ||
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Probemicro
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and see how the old legends fare and perform in the new era without regimented training, for better or for worse Its a source of wonder that this old game is still going very strong in Korea (current 4th in PC Bang ranking, still many sponsored tourneys), powerful legacy few games can match. maybe theres less emotional baggage than in the past but theres no shortage of excitement for real lovers of the game. | ||
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HyralGambit
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I'm putting this pic here for context: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6erJR7a.png) | ||
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RKC
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It's also ironic that Bisu burst into the limelight 3-0ing savior, and his last game is being 3-0ed by a Zerg. He made a good run in the tourney, perhaps even exceeding expectations. Had Zero or Mind stopped him first, perhaps that wouldn't be as crushing as losing in the finals. Being Kong can sometimes lead to greater infamy (ask soO). That said, I prefer to remember Bisu's last bow on the BW stage as when he beat Flash in the Proleague finals ace match (heart-breaking for Flash though, but at least he has SC2 to look forward to and redeem his pride - which he somewhat did when he beat Parting in the last Proleague finals). Thanks for all the great moments and memories, Bisu. Your legacy will never fade. | ||
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