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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2614 Posts
November 19 2014 08:49 GMT
#221
So I'd like to take what I can get (even if it is ridiculous to ban random in a fun tournament, you all take this WAAAAY to serious. Like really?). I wanna play "Random and tell" and I am fine with my matchup being annonymous, so I do not know my opponent race until just before the match, too.

But I'd like to apply for D or at least D+ skill level. I have roughly played 60 or 70 1on1 in the past 3 years (including like 20 or 30 DRTL/CRTL games). Yes I have hit C-, but I am really noobish. Especially playing all 3 races and all 9 matchups.

So please re-evaluate my ranking to D or D+. Thank you.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
November 19 2014 12:32 GMT
#222
On November 19 2014 17:49 chrisolo wrote:
So I'd like to take what I can get (even if it is ridiculous to ban random in a fun tournament, you all take this WAAAAY to serious. Like really?). I wanna play "Random and tell" and I am fine with my matchup being annonymous, so I do not know my opponent race until just before the match, too.

But I'd like to apply for D or at least D+ skill level. I have roughly played 60 or 70 1on1 in the past 3 years (including like 20 or 30 DRTL/CRTL games). Yes I have hit C-, but I am really noobish. Especially playing all 3 races and all 9 matchups.

So please re-evaluate my ranking to D or D+. Thank you.


Despite being on the same team, I disagree with this second proposal, first one is up to Lmaster, but no specific practice kind of defeats the purpose of prep leagues.

You want to be both random and to have easier opponents (where playing random will be a greater advantage), for a fun league you care a lot about winning in that case.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
November 19 2014 13:07 GMT
#223
On October 22 2014 02:47 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 16:02 Falling wrote:
The issue isn't stacked teams so much as NOT matching up D/D- players vs C- players.

As a point of reference on what L_master is talking about, see this discussion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/444890-d-ranks-teamleague-season-6?page=37#721
I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.


Finding myself on both sides of the fence it's both not fun being owned and not fun owning people so hard. It's much more entertaining to play somewhat close games which is hopefully what this will end up doing.
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2614 Posts
November 19 2014 16:34 GMT
#224
On November 19 2014 21:32 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 17:49 chrisolo wrote:
So I'd like to take what I can get (even if it is ridiculous to ban random in a fun tournament, you all take this WAAAAY to serious. Like really?). I wanna play "Random and tell" and I am fine with my matchup being annonymous, so I do not know my opponent race until just before the match, too.

But I'd like to apply for D or at least D+ skill level. I have roughly played 60 or 70 1on1 in the past 3 years (including like 20 or 30 DRTL/CRTL games). Yes I have hit C-, but I am really noobish. Especially playing all 3 races and all 9 matchups.

So please re-evaluate my ranking to D or D+. Thank you.


Despite being on the same team, I disagree with this second proposal, first one is up to Lmaster, but no specific practice kind of defeats the purpose of prep leagues.

You want to be both random and to have easier opponents (where playing random will be a greater advantage), for a fun league you care a lot about winning in that case.



lol, if I would care about winning I would not choose to take the massive disadvantage of playing random. Really most of the people here complaining about random, never played random themselves. Its a massive addition of knowledge you need to understand 9 matchups instead of 3. If I would care about winning, I would play Protoss only (easy race).

I am only asking to re-evaluate my ranking, as I just play some matches yesterday and saw that I suck hard. I do not mind playing in the C- class, as I will have my fun, but I just wanted to say that I am definitly not C- anymore and thus might lower the fun part for the C- players having literally zero competition.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#225
On November 19 2014 22:07 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 02:47 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On October 21 2014 16:02 Falling wrote:
The issue isn't stacked teams so much as NOT matching up D/D- players vs C- players.

As a point of reference on what L_master is talking about, see this discussion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/444890-d-ranks-teamleague-season-6?page=37#721
I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.


Finding myself on both sides of the fence it's both not fun being owned and not fun owning people so hard. It's much more entertaining to play somewhat close games which is hopefully what this will end up doing.
Replying to a really old post, bro. ^_^
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
November 19 2014 20:50 GMT
#226
Do you even read, bro?
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 04:53:44
November 20 2014 04:41 GMT
#227
Lmaster, I want to add Caller (T) to our team. He hasn't played since before SC2 came out, and was "barely 3000" then. IMO he sucks and should be a D or D+.

Also, in light of:
On November 19 2014 14:07 Snipinpanda wrote:
So I've technically never hit C, though if you want to consider my rank as that, then whatever. I've also have not been active over the past two years.

Panda never hit C, much less C+, and has been inactive for a long time, same as many people in this league. I think allowing Panda as a C- player should be fine, especially seeing as you are allowing other former C Rank players into the league.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 14:26:29
November 20 2014 14:25 GMT
#228
On November 19 2014 12:40 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 11:40 Nagisama wrote:
On November 19 2014 02:54 L_Master wrote:
Lineups are posted, so captains I need players from you 48 hours prior to match start.

Matches will be Bo7 given the size of teams. I'm thinking 3 C- players, 2 D+ players, and one D player given the distributions. If those don't sound good, what would you guys like to see?

For simplicity sake, I'm inclined to say one map per week. That way people know ahead of time what map to spend their time playing on. Order would go:

FS
Desti
CB
Sniper
MP
FS

Btw, this only adds up to 6 for a best of 7.


It's a little different than the way you read it. Each week uses one map for all seven games.

I'd be strongly against one map per week. Not only does it reduce the strategy involved on picking the lineup, it'd also be incredibly boring to see the same map played out 4-7 times in a cast. If multiple clanwars are casted on the same day, you could see the same map up to 14 times.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2614 Posts
November 20 2014 16:09 GMT
#229
On November 20 2014 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 12:40 L_Master wrote:
On November 19 2014 11:40 Nagisama wrote:
On November 19 2014 02:54 L_Master wrote:
Lineups are posted, so captains I need players from you 48 hours prior to match start.

Matches will be Bo7 given the size of teams. I'm thinking 3 C- players, 2 D+ players, and one D player given the distributions. If those don't sound good, what would you guys like to see?

For simplicity sake, I'm inclined to say one map per week. That way people know ahead of time what map to spend their time playing on. Order would go:

FS
Desti
CB
Sniper
MP
FS

Btw, this only adds up to 6 for a best of 7.


It's a little different than the way you read it. Each week uses one map for all seven games.

I'd be strongly against one map per week. Not only does it reduce the strategy involved on picking the lineup, it'd also be incredibly boring to see the same map played out 4-7 times in a cast. If multiple clanwars are casted on the same day, you could see the same map up to 14 times.


You know, it works massively in MOBAs! Maybe it would help BW to shine again! Who needs diversity anyways???
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 17:00:21
November 20 2014 16:39 GMT
#230
Are we starting this week or next? Also Saturday or Sunday
Flash should fear Sacsri
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
November 20 2014 17:00 GMT
#231
Question: Are the matches still played at 20:00 CEST (+02:00h)? Because we are now back in winter time (CET) which is +01:00h.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4343 Posts
November 20 2014 21:10 GMT
#232
On November 20 2014 13:41 Sentenal wrote:
Lmaster, I want to add Caller (T) to our team. He hasn't played since before SC2 came out, and was "barely 3000" then. IMO he sucks and should be a D or D+.


Is this he same caller that talked a lot of shit about how good he was at BW, got called out by Chill and had his ass handed to him?
So wait? I'm bad? =(
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
November 20 2014 21:10 GMT
#233
On November 21 2014 02:00 Biolunar wrote:
Question: Are the matches still played at 20:00 CEST (+02:00h)? Because we are now back in winter time (CET) which is +01:00h.


We are playing in two days from this post Saturday, Nov 22 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
November 20 2014 21:55 GMT
#234
On November 21 2014 06:10 pebble444 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 02:00 Biolunar wrote:
Question: Are the matches still played at 20:00 CEST (+02:00h)? Because we are now back in winter time (CET) which is +01:00h.


We are playing in two days from this post Saturday, Nov 22 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

OP should be updated if that is the case.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 20 2014 21:59 GMT
#235
On November 21 2014 06:10 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 13:41 Sentenal wrote:
Lmaster, I want to add Caller (T) to our team. He hasn't played since before SC2 came out, and was "barely 3000" then. IMO he sucks and should be a D or D+.


Is this he same caller that talked a lot of shit about how good he was at BW, got called out by Chill and had his ass handed to him?

Uhhh, I don't recall that... Hes not Combat-ex if thats what you are thinking of
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 20 2014 22:05 GMT
#236
On November 21 2014 06:10 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 13:41 Sentenal wrote:
Lmaster, I want to add Caller (T) to our team. He hasn't played since before SC2 came out, and was "barely 3000" then. IMO he sucks and should be a D or D+.


Is this he same caller that talked a lot of shit about how good he was at BW, got called out by Chill and had his ass handed to him?

no it was that fucking go*k ezreal
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
November 20 2014 23:59 GMT
#237
On November 20 2014 04:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 22:07 Qikz wrote:
On October 22 2014 02:47 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On October 21 2014 16:02 Falling wrote:
The issue isn't stacked teams so much as NOT matching up D/D- players vs C- players.

As a point of reference on what L_master is talking about, see this discussion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/444890-d-ranks-teamleague-season-6?page=37#721
I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.


Finding myself on both sides of the fence it's both not fun being owned and not fun owning people so hard. It's much more entertaining to play somewhat close games which is hopefully what this will end up doing.
Replying to a really old post, bro. ^_^


I have no idea how that happened.
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 01:55:22
November 21 2014 01:55 GMT
#238
On November 21 2014 06:59 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 06:10 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On November 20 2014 13:41 Sentenal wrote:
Lmaster, I want to add Caller (T) to our team. He hasn't played since before SC2 came out, and was "barely 3000" then. IMO he sucks and should be a D or D+.


Is this he same caller that talked a lot of shit about how good he was at BW, got called out by Chill and had his ass handed to him?

Uhhh, I don't recall that... Hes not Combat-ex if thats what you are thinking of


THAT'S who it was.

On November 21 2014 07:05 Caller wrote:
no it was that fucking go*k ezreal


Aw yeah. #1 Ezreal. Pew pew. #1 Cho'gath too. Now I remember you.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 03:06:22
November 21 2014 03:05 GMT
#239
Apologies for delayed responses, was traveling to my brothers graduation from pilot training.

On November 19 2014 14:07 Snipinpanda wrote:
So I've technically never hit C, though if you want to consider my rank as that, then whatever. I've also have not been active over the past two years.


Come on man, don't give me the passive aggressive stuff. The explanation is good enough. I don't see any reason not to take you at your word, and you're a longstanding TL member so I'm okay with you playing.

On November 19 2014 17:49 chrisolo wrote:
So I'd like to take what I can get (even if it is ridiculous to ban random in a fun tournament, you all take this WAAAAY to serious. Like really?). I wanna play "Random and tell" and I am fine with my matchup being annonymous, so I do not know my opponent race until just before the match, too.

But I'd like to apply for D or at least D+ skill level. I have roughly played 60 or 70 1on1 in the past 3 years (including like 20 or 30 DRTL/CRTL games). Yes I have hit C-, but I am really noobish. Especially playing all 3 races and all 9 matchups.

So please re-evaluate my ranking to D or D+. Thank you.


Sure, I'm okay with that. If you seem to strong, like any of the others, that may be adjusted.

On November 20 2014 13:41 Sentenal wrote:
Lmaster, I want to add Caller (T) to our team. He hasn't played since before SC2 came out, and was "barely 3000" then. IMO he sucks and should be a D or D+.

Also, in light of:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 14:07 Snipinpanda wrote:
So I've technically never hit C, though if you want to consider my rank as that, then whatever. I've also have not been active over the past two years.

Panda never hit C, much less C+, and has been inactive for a long time, same as many people in this league. I think allowing Panda as a C- player should be fine, especially seeing as you are allowing other former C Rank players into the league.


Caller confirmed at D+. Could be amended either direction depending on just how he looks.

On November 20 2014 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 12:40 L_Master wrote:
On November 19 2014 11:40 Nagisama wrote:
On November 19 2014 02:54 L_Master wrote:
Lineups are posted, so captains I need players from you 48 hours prior to match start.

Matches will be Bo7 given the size of teams. I'm thinking 3 C- players, 2 D+ players, and one D player given the distributions. If those don't sound good, what would you guys like to see?

For simplicity sake, I'm inclined to say one map per week. That way people know ahead of time what map to spend their time playing on. Order would go:

FS
Desti
CB
Sniper
MP
FS

Btw, this only adds up to 6 for a best of 7.


It's a little different than the way you read it. Each week uses one map for all seven games.

I'd be strongly against one map per week. Not only does it reduce the strategy involved on picking the lineup, it'd also be incredibly boring to see the same map played out 4-7 times in a cast. If multiple clanwars are casted on the same day, you could see the same map up to 14 times.


Agreed in principle, however this is a short "quasi-competitive" mini-pilot league. For ease of facilitation and practicing for newer players maps will remain as is.

Rest assured if this goes reasonably well and a full length league is held one map for all matchups will not be the modus operandi for that league.

On November 21 2014 01:39 art_of_turtle wrote:
Are we starting this week or next? Also Saturday or Sunday


Saturday. This week.

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 21 2014 03:59 GMT
#240
Alright, that makes Courage's roster:
+ Show Spoiler +
Prophecy_ (P) C-
Sentenal (P) C-
rlentless (T) C-
Nagisama (T) D+
KazeHydra (P) D
Sniper Terran (T) C-
tonight (P) C-
RedAxis (T) C-
ilikestarcraft (Z) D+
ghrur (Z) C-
Ryuhou (Z) D
Caller (T) D+
Snipinpanda (T) C-
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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