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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 03:41:25
October 21 2014 03:23 GMT
#1
I've decided to organize a little mini DRTL, including C- players, it will start on November 1st and run through December 6th.

Two main reasons for this are:
  • There is a good amount of downtime before DRTL playoffs start (20th of December) so hopefully this can fill the void and give guys a reason to play some games and get activity going
  • To serve as a pilot for a combined D Ranks + C- guys teamleague next season, with a format that avoids pitting guys that can't hit D+ with guys that can almost get to C. If it works smoothly and there is interest, I'd be willing to re-incorporate lower yellow rankers into the league


Format:

5 weeks of Round Robin Play, Bo5 series paired within rank, so players will never face anyone more than one rank ahead of them.

Matches are at 18:00 GMT (+00:00)

Maps

<Fighting Spirit>
<Circuit Breaker>
<Sniper Ridge>
<Destination>
<Matchpoint>

SignUps

If you are playing with a team, please have your captain register and don't post individually. If you do not have a team then post in thread with:

ICCup Name:
Race:
Max Rank:




EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-18 17:50:38
October 21 2014 03:24 GMT
#2

Lineups

Week 1
TAKK v Khan
Courage v DeSPA

Week 2
TAKK v Courage
Khan v DeSPA

Week 3
DeSPA v TAKK
Khan v Courage

Week 4
TAKK v Courage
DeSPA v Khan

Week 5
TAKK v DeSPA
Khan v Courage

Week 6
TAKK v Khan
DeSPA v Courage
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 03:39:18
October 21 2014 03:30 GMT
#3
I'm an idiot.....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 03:31:55
October 21 2014 03:31 GMT
#4
On October 21 2014 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
ICCup Name: Stardom[eMg]
Race: Terran
Max Rank: C-


Please son, read the OP

On October 21 2014 12:23 L_Master wrote:

SignUps

If you are playing with a team, please have your captain register and don't post individually.

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
October 21 2014 03:36 GMT
#5
I should be part of TAKK...but i dont know if its still enough team to sign up as one. :/
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
October 21 2014 03:37 GMT
#6
On October 21 2014 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm a idiot.....


I'm an idiot.*

I drooled all over myself writing that.
Me sad.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 21 2014 03:38 GMT
#7
On October 21 2014 12:37 DepressedOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm a idiot.....


I'm an idiot.*

I drooled all over myself writing that.


Haha you have to know Stardom, that's just how he prefers to write. Always uses I, never I'm, and always a instead of an.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
October 21 2014 03:42 GMT
#8
Cool ! Thanks for this LMaster, hopefully this won't become another inactive league.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 21 2014 03:51 GMT
#9
On October 21 2014 12:42 GGzerG wrote:
Cool ! Thanks for this LMaster, hopefully this won't become another inactive league.


Well, this one will be short so it shouldn't be a danger there. If I organize another longer league I won't make the mistake of organizing it solo with no one else for support in case I end up really busy. Damn life getting in the way of glorious BW
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 04:06:04
October 21 2014 04:04 GMT
#10
So what is the policy if a team signs up that has in the past been considered almost completely in the C- range (like Courage, for example)?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 06:30:09
October 21 2014 06:29 GMT
#11
On October 21 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:
So what is the policy if a team signs up that has in the past been considered almost completely in the C- range (like Courage, for example)?

I guess they have a good chance of winning this thing. [image loading]


ps: the xtra big bandit is not a mistake >.> its to celebrate the important mark of 1003 posts <.<
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 21 2014 06:33 GMT
#12
On October 21 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:
So what is the policy if a team signs up that has in the past been considered almost completely in the C- range (like Courage, for example)?


We would probably need to get a few D ranks on your team, or else you guys would just have to play the C- only games. This short league is casual so it doesn't really matter, but obviously for the full league taking 2-3 losses guaranteed every time would pretty much be death.

I don't think it would be fair to allow an all C- team to field C- guys versus D guys, no to mention that it can be really frustrating to the D- guys. Which leaves as far as I can initially think of, 3 options:

1)Draft D's onto the team
2)Take the losses, even though that pretty much kills any chance of winning
3)Get teams to field only D+/C- line up specifically against you guys, obviously contigent on them having sufficient D+ to do so.

That's all I can initially think of, and each has problems, so if someone has a more clever solution by all means drop the knowledge bombs on me.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2608 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 06:50:26
October 21 2014 06:50 GMT
#13
I dont understand why every team has to be equally good? There will always be a BEST team (just f.e. Real Madrid/Barcelona in La Liga). A league where everyone is equally good, will always be much more boring, than diversity. The tension of a underdog winning against a clear favorite is much more thrilling than X1 winning against X2 winning against X3 winning against X1.

I dont mind Courage being stacked, as long as they are not invincible. And as past DRTL seasons showed, they were not even close to be invincible (still winning 3 or 4 leagues).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 21 2014 06:59 GMT
#14
On October 21 2014 15:50 chrisolo wrote:
I dont understand why every team has to be equally good? There will always be a BEST team (just f.e. Real Madrid/Barcelona in La Liga). A league where everyone is equally good, will always be much more boring, than diversity. The tension of a underdog winning against a clear favorite is much more thrilling than X1 winning against X2 winning against X3 winning against X1.

I dont mind Courage being stacked, as long as they are not invincible. And as past DRTL seasons showed, they were not even close to be invincible (still winning 3 or 4 leagues).


Stacked I have no issue with, in fact I agree with you.

My concern, and one expressed by other players, is that a pure C- team cannot field D players against D players. This matters because except for the very rare few that already adore the game at D...it ends up being a massive turnoff getting face stomped by a C- guy on a regular basis.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11367 Posts
October 21 2014 07:02 GMT
#15
The issue isn't stacked teams so much as NOT matching up D/D- players vs C- players.

As a point of reference on what L_master is talking about, see this discussion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/444890-d-ranks-teamleague-season-6?page=37#721
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
October 21 2014 08:36 GMT
#16
Courage still has me, the great D- player of the team!
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
October 21 2014 17:47 GMT
#17
On October 21 2014 16:02 Falling wrote:
The issue isn't stacked teams so much as NOT matching up D/D- players vs C- players.

As a point of reference on what L_master is talking about, see this discussion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/444890-d-ranks-teamleague-season-6?page=37#721
I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 21 2014 18:04 GMT
#18
On October 22 2014 02:47 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 16:02 Falling wrote:
The issue isn't stacked teams so much as NOT matching up D/D- players vs C- players.

As a point of reference on what L_master is talking about, see this discussion:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/444890-d-ranks-teamleague-season-6?page=37#721
I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.


Ratio I'm guessing would be at least 50% C- or better. Just think of last DRTL we played in.

You could call it coddling I guess, but there is a point where skill difference is too great to make the games meaningful. I'm sorry, but neither of us are ever going to lose to player that can't even hit D+. This can be fine for training purposes, but in a league people want to feel like they get to play meaningful games and at least have a remote chance at winning.

That's also why I'm okay with games being within one rank. C- doesn't have to play only C-, but by the time you have C- playing D or D- the result is a foregone conclusion.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11367 Posts
October 21 2014 18:34 GMT
#19
I don't think it's coddling. It's very difficult to be crushed week after week against opponents you have no reasonable shot against. Once they make it through the awkward D/D- stage, you get solid D+ players. For instance Minsc_andboo.
But when we were talking about how the DRTL worked before (C- players included) vs now, this was Minsc's opinion:

[8/10/2014 3:51:33 PM] minsc_andboo: it was DUMB before. speaking as a fucking d- player
[8/10/2014 3:51:35 PM] minsc_andboo: who was SO BAD
[8/10/2014 3:51:38 PM] minsc_andboo: i didnt get to play
[8/10/2014 3:51:44 PM] Bigfan: why not have more teams then?
[8/10/2014 3:51:45 PM] minsc_andboo: cus we had like 6 good players
[8/10/2014 3:51:56 PM] minsc_andboo: cus you need 1-2 extras
[8/10/2014 3:52:32 PM] minsc_andboo: this change needed to be implemented b4/we needed to switch to a tiered team
[8/10/2014 3:52:39 PM] minsc_andboo: like 3 d ranks /2 c ranks
[8/10/2014 3:52:50 PM] minsc_andboo: when we still had the player base
[8/10/2014 3:52:57 PM] minsc_andboo: i almost quit cus it was so stupid
[8/10/2014 3:53:11 PM] minsc_andboo: i woulda been 0-11 just like falling if i got to play

As someone who has hit D+ once (though not held it), I'm perfectly willing to play against C- players. But there is wide gap between even my skill level and D-. In addition, there are very few people willing to go 0-11 in a league without quitting, but if they can play reasonably competitive matches, we will wind up with a few more D+ players in the long run. Starting BW as cannon fodder for C- can be very depressing. Even the skill gap between D+ and D- is depressingly large.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 21 2014 18:41 GMT
#20
I've been beaten by baddies before in these leagues, so would I be allowed to play against D/D- ranks?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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