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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 18:54:59
October 21 2014 18:52 GMT
#21
When I played other "D"s in the beginning of the season I know that I'll probably lose as soon a player's scouting worker enters my base by the way he controls it. I still try my best but I have never won against player who has ~800 points more than me. I can't even cheese them.

eg: I just got owned a three times in a row by a Chinese guy whose max rank was C+ who said that he hasn't played in 2 years after I told him he was good.
I can beat D- players without much effort and by fooling around (sunkened the opponent's main in medusa without sneaking it from behind) and it feels like D+ players are destroying me without putting much of their own effort.

So I agree with what L_master is doing.
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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
October 21 2014 19:32 GMT
#22
I strongly agree that some kind of tier-ed pairings should occur. I feel like skill differences are especially pronounced at the ranks participating in this league. Upsets make a league more exciting, but while the last CRTL (with an even bigger spectrum of ranks playing) had it's fair share of underdogs winning or at least putting up a good fight, DRTL has pretty much always been predictable as soon as the lineups were announced and the amount of one-sided stomps has been overwhelming. In DRTL5 there were a lot of players who left mid-season exactly because of the huge inequality in skill.

That being said, I support the suggestion made by minsc about forcing every team to field e.g. 3 d/d+ players and 2 C- players. Maybe, it's even worth considering splitting the lineups in some other way (say 1 D-, 2 D/D+, 2 C-) depending on the people that join the league.
I'm not sure what the best way to go about it is, but the plain unfair pairings that used to happen quite a bit in the past need to be avoided this time.
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
October 21 2014 20:11 GMT
#23
As an "outsider" to this league, here are my thoughts after reading the thread.

1) It'll be much easier to find a solution for the rank pairing idea once teams/free agents have signed up. What is the rank composition of the teams that are expected to sign up? Seems like you'd have to just autodraft d- d d+ free agents to the teams lacking those ranks. I guess as last resort you could swap a c- for a d-/d of another team (but I don't expect people will want to leave a team they've played with for 5 seasons).

So...

2) You'll need enough new free agents signing up to balance the teams. I think getting in contact with iccup.Face (iccup admin) to make a server announcement regarding sign ups for this league and making a thread on iccup.com forums would benefit you a lot (moreso the sever announcement). I don't imagine you'll find enough new blood just posting here on TL.

Good luck. I wouldn't mind helping organize this in some way if you need the help.

NAKR`flying
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10797 Posts
October 21 2014 23:25 GMT
#24
make the league open to everyone up to C+ , will make it more exciting.
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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
October 22 2014 00:22 GMT
#25
On October 22 2014 08:25 GGzerG wrote:
make the league open to everyone up to C+ , will make it more exciting.


I wouldn't count on that. The point of the DRTL is to give low level players a competitive environment where they won't get rolled by C and ++ players
NAKR`flying
Scarbo
Profile Joined January 2012
294 Posts
October 22 2014 00:33 GMT
#26
On October 21 2014 12:36 greenelve wrote:
I should be part of TAKK...but i dont know if its still enough team to sign up as one. :/


Same here. If TAKK doesn't sign up put me as a free agent.

iccup sGsScarbo
race Terran/Protoss
max rank D+
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 00:53:52
October 22 2014 00:49 GMT
#27
So, what happens when there is a D rank vs D Rank game in this, and one side gets absolutely one-way stomped, and that makes the looser feel like they have no meaning in playing/makes them want to quit? People feeling bad from getting stomped seems to be the most pressing concern here, so I think it probably needs to be addressed beforehand. Can they just cry that their opponent isn't actually D rank, and is in fact higher? What if they just silently quit the league after getting stomped by another D Rank player?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 22 2014 02:02 GMT
#28
iccup Artanis[Xp]
race Zerg
max rank C many many seasons ago. I think the league is a perfect fit for my skill level as I've been inactive for quite some time, though I'd understand if you want to avoid a sliding scale.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
October 22 2014 02:21 GMT
#29
Who will accept my services for me to play in this majestic league of L(ong)_Master's creation.

My credentials include getting 3-0'ed by DarkNetHunter and losing to Birdie's Protoss. I hope these credentials are worthy of anyone looking for some consistent fail Terran play.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 05:41:28
October 22 2014 05:33 GMT
#30
On October 22 2014 09:49 Sentenal wrote:
So, what happens when there is a D rank vs D Rank game in this, and one side gets absolutely one-way stomped, and that makes the looser feel like they have no meaning in playing/makes them want to quit? People feeling bad from getting stomped seems to be the most pressing concern here, so I think it probably needs to be addressed beforehand. Can they just cry that their opponent isn't actually D rank, and is in fact higher? What if they just silently quit the league after getting stomped by another D Rank player?

Strikes me that since the league will be short, then decide whether one belongs in C or D camp prior to the season starts. Then no complaining allowed during the league. If we play another mini-league in the future, then adjustments can be made based on past performance. Mid-season adjustments are always messy, imo.

I suspect your last question is rather dismissive of the split idea, but look, while we cannot account for all persons, we can attempt a reasonably competive environment. Rather than throwing D- in the same pool as C-. Some will still quit in the shallow end; we cannot stop that. But that doesn't mean we HAVE to throw them into the deep end.

I'm am playing, btw.
D/D+
Protoss
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Either with sb or else a Takk merger.
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Ryuhou)aS(
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 18:40:20
October 22 2014 18:40 GMT
#31
I'd like to sign up.

ICCUP: Ryuhou
Rank: D
Race: Zerg
Max Rank: C- + Show Spoiler +
this was 3 years ago, i have only just started playing again, and am 5-5 vs. mostly D and D+ players. here's my matchlist http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/matchlist/7114396/1x1.html
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
October 22 2014 19:35 GMT
#32
I'll probably sign up. Will be a free agent if Sun Khan isn't playing
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Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 22 2014 19:36 GMT
#33
kyungrim
PvT, PvZ, ZvP
D+ max rank
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10529 Posts
October 22 2014 21:47 GMT
#34
ICCUP: FlaShFTW
RANK: D
RACE: Protoss
MAX RANK: D+ (like 2 years ago)
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 22:08:58
October 22 2014 22:08 GMT
#35
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1078 Posts
October 22 2014 22:46 GMT
#36
ghostse1800
protoss C- max
BW forever!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10797 Posts
October 23 2014 03:18 GMT
#37
On October 22 2014 09:22 fearthequeen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 08:25 GGzerG wrote:
make the league open to everyone up to C+ , will make it more exciting.


I wouldn't count on that. The point of the DRTL is to give low level players a competitive environment where they won't get rolled by C and ++ players


Wasn't really a serious comment, more like a comment to influence someone to make another C - / ++ league -.-
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 23 2014 03:33 GMT
#38
On October 23 2014 12:18 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 09:22 fearthequeen wrote:
On October 22 2014 08:25 GGzerG wrote:
make the league open to everyone up to C+ , will make it more exciting.


I wouldn't count on that. The point of the DRTL is to give low level players a competitive environment where they won't get rolled by C and ++ players


Wasn't really a serious comment, more like a comment to influence someone to make another C - / ++ league -.-


I wish I had the time, I totally would otherwise
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icedraco
Profile Joined June 2012
Philippines118 Posts
October 23 2014 13:44 GMT
#39
id like to sign up alsO

Iccup:sb.icedraco/n.stop)ID
Rank: C-
Race- Protoss
Max rank: C-
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 17:59:21
October 23 2014 16:42 GMT
#40
woot, a chobo league
those c rank kids wreck my shit
might have a chance here

ICCup Name: Trozz
Race: Zerg, because they're awesome
Max Rank: c-
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