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GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
November 12 2014 18:57 GMT
#241
On November 13 2014 03:16 Kau wrote:
So I checked the rep and I had 10 workers when you had 5. I think you might just straight up die to a 9 pool. In TvT you might have a small window where you can get a vulture early enough to do damage but only by sacrificing a ton of econ so that vulture better kill everything.


Hmm, 10 vs. 5 does sound like a big difference. But I think doing this in TvZ was kind of pointless, since gas is an issue for the Zerg, not the Terran. Obviously a 9 pool or any other early attack would kill this. It's a (gas-)greedy build that only stands a chance if it's unexpected.
Brood War is alive and well.
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
November 12 2014 19:00 GMT
#242
Thanks, Liquid`Drone and Kau, for humoring me and letting me try out the build.

Three games were played, and I lost all of them. Kau and Drone remain unconvinced that this is viable. As for me, I feel that it was mostly because I suck, and that a good Terran player would be able to overcome the initial setback and get an advantage in the long run. But we'll never know, unless a good Terran tries it.
Brood War is alive and well.
Mirnaia
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary34 Posts
November 12 2014 19:03 GMT
#243
Thanks guys for trying this out!
Athos, Protoss, Aramis
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
November 12 2014 19:11 GMT
#244
looking at replay from game 1, you start your 5th peon when I start my 8th. your first minerals were returned after 45 seconds.
after 4 minutes, you do have a factory 75% complete while mine is just starting, but I have 2 cc, 23 vs 15 scvs, 2 gas vs 1 available to me.. I see that your build order wasn't perfect (but honestly, it was enabled by the map being weird and giving you 1 extra probe and drone - not having to build depot before rax is for you very beneficial) but neither was mine. I guess I could see flash beating me even if he did this but he would also be giving me one golden opportunity to beat him.
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GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
November 13 2014 04:35 GMT
#245
Mmm, you're quite right that the two extra supply greatly work in my favor. With 6 mineral patches, I only need about 12 workers to be saturated on gas and minerals, so I can go without a supply depot for a long time. I think my main problem was that I could not use the early tech advantage to secure the natural with two geysers.

Ideally, the build should go like this:
-barracks, assimilator, factory, supply depot;
-make Vultures from one fact and harass or at least contain below the opponent's ramp;
-when the money piles up, send the probe to build a Nexus while making more SCVs for transfer;
-pylon, forge, cannons to defend against air / cloaked units while you get siege tanks.

Now there's a build that seems worthy of a Gem League . Not sure how this would work out timing-wise, but the supply depot after factory would give you the first vulture VERY early, much faster than I had it in our games.
Brood War is alive and well.
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
November 13 2014 21:51 GMT
#246
+ Show Spoiler [skindzer spoilers] +
Proxy hatch! <3
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
November 13 2014 22:54 GMT
#247
Kiante's such a lamer. All getting a life and stuff.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
November 14 2014 04:08 GMT
#248
gamers were fun :3
POGGERS
Mutisk
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden41 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 22:03:00
November 14 2014 22:02 GMT
#249
I would like to watch those mizu de chaud games :-)

If I could play this game I'd go for a wall-in into a fast natural, then transfer all SCV to natural (and perhaps some distance mining to optimize) while the main CC floats into the corner expansion. Could it work?
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
November 15 2014 21:28 GMT
#250
On November 12 2014 03:46 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 09:36 brian wrote:
this intro music is absolute gold. I've literally never been so hyped to watch some broodwar.


seriously

where is it from??


For anybody who missed it, it was posted with the Group A VODs:

#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
November 15 2014 23:03 GMT
#251
thank you!!
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11381 Posts
November 18 2014 04:10 GMT
#252
Next cast coming up soon!
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
bioboyAT
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria1763 Posts
November 18 2014 10:35 GMT
#253
Woooooooooo \o/
Screw my productive afternoon.
Milchmann | DeadVessel: Milchmann pwns. I fail.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
November 25 2014 01:57 GMT
#254
http://www.twitch.tv/svvtrozz/c/5542010

Here is last week's vod.
We have more group C to cast.
Epic games so far.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
November 25 2014 09:47 GMT
#255
First time I've checked TL in months and suddenly there's this?!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

=D
stu >)
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
November 25 2014 13:05 GMT
#256
Craaaaaaaaaazy games by Kau today, gg!
Broodwar AI :) http://sscaitournament.com http://www.starcraftai.com/wiki/Main_Page
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11381 Posts
November 25 2014 15:27 GMT
#257
Oh yeah, my games vs Kau were the first I played. I had thought that you needed and Ovie to scout the minerals to get the pocket expansion on Mizu. All my other games, I took it straight away after I was told a worker can spot it just fine.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
November 25 2014 15:58 GMT
#258
Today's games were fun :D
Never know what to expect.
mizu#1
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
November 25 2014 21:01 GMT
#259
trozz can u upload them on youtube? i wanna watch but campus internet is poop
POGGERS
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
November 25 2014 21:07 GMT
#260
Yeah, I'll do so soon.
Probably later tonight.
So many GGs
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
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