Gem League III - Page 12

On November 12 2014 21:59 Liquid`Drone wrote:
fast expand does not halt your scv production at the start of the game by 30 seconds. what you are suggesting is the equivalent of not starting to mine or build scv until I have 6 done and mining and the 7th building. it's a monumental difference.

boxer once tried to lift his cc to the nearest expansion on blade storm. That is a shorter distance, he followed it up with a genius cheese build, but it still failed. And I am very willing to play a game where I pledge to fast expand and you pledge to liftoff your cc, I think even tvt (of which I have played less than 5 games in the past 6 years) I'd be left with a significant advantage.

On November 12 2014 22:13 GeLaar wrote:


You would certainly be left with a big advantage, but on this map you would be forced to play a low gas build while I could play a regular build, assuming I would survive the first five minutes. Boxer tried lifting off on a normal map. My whole point was that on "mizu de chaud", the mains being basically worthless forces you to expand, which hinders you from punishing the lift off.

If we're pledging builds, it makes sense to me that you would pledge to expand to your natural (the 2-geyser one), not the same expansion that I would lift off to, because you would not normally expand there blindly. Expanding there only makes sense if you know I am lifting off, and in that case you could just rush me to begin with. But we want to test a normal build against lifting off. Does that make sense?

So, are we gonna do this?

On November 12 2014 23:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:


Of course I'm expanding to my natural.. and I'm not going to send my first peon to your base.

I'll be on iccup in op teamliquid, ToT)Eriador(

On November 13 2014 00:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That being said, I only have misu de chaud as an observer map - meaning it can't be played in melee mode, meaning that we're going to start with peons of all the different races. But we can pledge to only use 1 race.

On November 13 2014 00:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
haha I only have iccup in mine. Anyway though, I just looked at the map and.. did you really look at it yourself? The gas expansion only has 4 mineral fields.. And it's not really close at all, I think I'd be at 8 peons when you start building your 5th. When I said I thought I'd beat flash if he went a liftoff-cc starting build, I actually thought there were 8 patches and that it was quite a bit closer, now you're left with 4 patches with 1000 and 2 geysirs - which is hardly even any better than 8 mineral patches and no gas - and a big economical disadvantage to boot.. I'm also fairly busy today, but if you manage to get iccup working I'll take a 15 minute break..

On November 13 2014 00:37 Trozz wrote:
Float to the corner!
You'll be protected by eggs.
Still seems terrible.

On November 13 2014 00:39 Kau wrote:
Even if you do manage to expand to the double gas, how do you plan on defending it?

On November 13 2014 01:18 Kau wrote:
Got time to play in about 45 mins?