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[SPL] KT Rolster vs CJ Entus - Page 58
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:19 Darion wrote: Actually, those days Z have gotten really good at deflecting hellion and banshee harass. The aggression of choice is strong 2 base timing pushes and bio drops. Drops in particular can do a LOT of damage if the Z reacts incorrectly. A dropship full of bio with +1, stim, and decent positioning can kill a large number of lings, and tons of drones if Z is slow to bail. By the time the 2base/drops get going Zerg already has the eco lead, assuming he plays it smart and puts spines up front, doesn't foolishly take a third, and gets his upgrades at a correct time. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:19 n.DieJokes wrote: Whats the state of the PvZ meta game like? Bleh, every matchup involving protoss isn't very good at the moment. With some exceptions. Usually the toss will forge fast expand and the zerg will take a fast 3rd hatch. Then depending if the protoss goes for 2 base or take a quick 3rd, the zerg plays defensive or aggressive. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:14 DystopiaX wrote: You can't do that in SC2, Z can just run you over. TBH you can play a defensive 3 base TvZ with a big 2-2 timing pre-hive with just a little early harass and pressure. But flash set up for a defensive 3 base TvZ with a really marine/medivac heavy composition, and rightfully got rolled because he couldn't handle the banelings. Faster second factory and a few bunkers in front and he'd have been pretty secure before he was ready for a big push out on the map. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:19 n.DieJokes wrote: Whats the state of the PvZ meta game like? Forge expand for Protos, a fast third for Zerg. Often Zerg maxes out very fast on roaches and goes for non-stop aggresion. Protos has been experimenting with one get expand as well. (Protoss can go for robo, stargate or blink from the two bases, there are many possible techpathes) Lategame the Zerg goes for broodlord infestor and the Protos goes collosy, archon, stalker, mothership. He tries to get a vortex of on the broodlords, so they get clumped up and can be destroyed by archons splash damage. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Simply look at all top sc2 players currently ? If you talk about current BW players then you proberly are correct, just seemed like you were talking about all in general. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:20 KobraKay wrote: The last I remember was something like one makes roaches...the other rolls over and dies? But that was some time ago =/ dont take my word for it. Pretty much, fast 3base into a 12 minute full-out roach max with burrow, speed, and sometimes +1 is still a common strat. Forcefields have to be perfect, etc.. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50861 Posts
Never played a televised match before goes for an ace match. | ||
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kiero
Canada136 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:15 Ribbon wrote: He should switch to Toss, like he's supposedly wanted to. It's more of a turtly race. SC2 Terran needs to be super aggressive. Ya. I would say for those staying the same race, T sc1 to sc2 has to adapt and change the most. I'd imagine it's probably the most switched from race (someone who knows where can verify? I can think of only FBH that switched right now). I know a lot of zerg wanted to switch, but thats more so because they feel zerg is weak than not likeing their race. | ||
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Jerax
Canada189 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:20 KobraKay wrote: The last I remember was something like one makes roaches...the other rolls over and dies? But that was some time ago =/ dont take my word for it. Balance whine! It's a pretty weird metagame right now, honestly. Both sides feel uncomfortable for large parts of the game. Generally, see the SPL guide for a better explanation, but standard would be Protoss Forge FE being countered by Zerg taking a super-fast third. Air play as a follow up is falling out of style, because Zergs like to pressure with mass roach. Tosses have been experimenting with Carriers in this matchup, but it's never really worked. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:22 Asha` wrote: TBH you can play a defensive 3 base TvZ with a big 2-2 timing pre-hive with just a little early harass and pressure. But flash set up for a defensive 3 base TvZ with a really marine/medivac heavy composition, and rightfully got rolled because he couldn't handle the banelings. Faster second factory and a few bunkers in front and he'd have been pretty secure before he was ready for a big push out on the map. Even defensive T has to pressure in some way. Effort got to 3 bases without making a single zergling. You can't do that. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:23 BLinD-RawR wrote: we need a lizzy meme so bad right now Never played a televised match before goes for an ace match. success lizzy meme nao btw - I want CJ outfit.. SOOOO MUCH !!!!!!!! where the hell can I get it !? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:23 DystopiaX wrote: Even defensive T has to pressure in some way. Effort got to 3 bases without making a single zergling. You can't do that. He literally had all supply in drones and queens up until he threw down his 4th. That just broke my heart as a Flash fan. | ||
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