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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
May 20 2012 08:17 GMT
#1121
Really want Effort to win this, but I'd put my money on Lizzy to win.
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
May 20 2012 08:17 GMT
#1122
Effort is my favorite Zerg in BW. Let's see if he can make me like SC2 with this.

EffOOOOOOOOrt Fighting!
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 08:18:13
May 20 2012 08:18 GMT
#1123
Will protoss 4-0?
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jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
May 20 2012 08:18 GMT
#1124
Very disappointing results so far today..
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
May 20 2012 08:18 GMT
#1125
haha i remember that lighting fast defense matrix.so gud
Cackle™
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
May 20 2012 08:18 GMT
#1126
I have a feeling that SC2 will be a B-team fest, a land of opportunities
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1127
On May 20 2012 17:15 EchoZ wrote:
Hmm, sc2 players how would you guys judge Effort's skill level now.


It's hard to judge, his macro is good but the hardest part for Z in SC2 is macroing while under constant pressure (which Flash didn't apply at all). his playstyle seems similar to Ret though.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1128
Whats the state of the PvZ meta game like?
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1129
On May 20 2012 17:15 EchoZ wrote:
Hmm, sc2 players how would you guys judge Effort's skill level now.

A big part of sc2 zerg is how well you handle harassment and balance macro vs defence. It's hard to judge from that game how he is at that. He certainly looked much better than almost all the other BW players we've seen playing SC2 so far though.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1130
On May 20 2012 17:15 EchoZ wrote:
Hmm, sc2 players how would you guys judge Effort's skill level now.


Competent. His creep spread (I harp on creep because it's the most visual way to judge mechanical skill in SC2) was way better than Jaedong's, but notably worse than, say, Dongraegu's. He made a greedy play, got away with it entirely unmolested, and rolled with a vastly superior army. That makes it a bit hard to judge his skill, but he didn't fuck anything up.
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1131
On May 20 2012 17:16 Whatson wrote:
Okay, SC2 TvZ theory talk time...
When Terran goes fast 3OC and tries to match Zerg in bases, he MUST harass in some way. MULEs are great, but queens and larvae injects are better. That's why OP TvZ players such as MMA go for hellions and banshees to kill drones and force spines/spores. It's actually suicide for a Terran to try to trade with Zerg when they have 80 drones and 3 fully saturated bases.


Actually, those days Z have gotten really good at deflecting hellion and banshee harass. The aggression of choice is strong 2 base timing pushes and bio drops. Drops in particular can do a LOT of damage if the Z reacts incorrectly. A dropship full of bio with +1, stim, and decent positioning can kill a large number of lings, and tons of drones if Z is slow to bail.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1132
On May 20 2012 17:15 EchoZ wrote:
Hmm, sc2 players how would you guys judge Effort's skill level now.

Uhhhh not sure. A large part of ZvT is knowing how to defend against multipronged harassment, and knowing how to handle pressure while continuing to drone. But Flash didn't do any pressure whatsoever, so it's hard to tell, but he hit a majority of his injects and his upgrade/building timings lined up nicely, so he's definitely no slouch.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1133
On May 20 2012 17:18 letian wrote:
I have a feeling that SC2 will be a B-team fest, a land of opportunities

Well remember that they cant play SC2 again till they have played a BW game
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 08:23:06
May 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#1134
On May 20 2012 17:18 letian wrote:
I have a feeling that SC2 will be a B-team fest, a land of opportunities


It already is ?

Rather silly to state the obvieus.

Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#1135
On May 20 2012 17:19 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:18 letian wrote:
I have a feeling that SC2 will be a B-team fest, a land of opportunities

Well remember that they cant play SC2 again till they have played a BW game


trololololo
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Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
May 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#1136
On May 20 2012 17:16 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:14 Sandermatt wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:12 Lann555 wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:11 HolydaKing wrote:
ha, i think lastshadow was right. effort can really already be grandmaster.


He definitely plays at that level. Pretty awesome game from Effort

Flash does not seem to fully realise that you cannot sit back TvZ. Have to be aggro otherwise you get roooooooooollled


ThorZain plays a defensive macro style in TvZ (like 1 racks double expand), but he then goes really fast siege tanks. With more siege tanks he could have hold, maybe he should have delayed the medivacs in favour of siege tanks if he intended to turtle.


And Thorzain got kicked out of GSL Code A several times by mediocre Zergs. Style doesn't work vs truly good Zerg


According to TLPD he only lost one BO3 (against YuGiOh ) in Korea, and I think his build would have hold that bust. I am trying to argue for Thorzains strength, just that a fast third needs more siegetanks to be hold.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#1137
On May 20 2012 17:16 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:14 Sandermatt wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:12 Lann555 wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:11 HolydaKing wrote:
ha, i think lastshadow was right. effort can really already be grandmaster.


He definitely plays at that level. Pretty awesome game from Effort

Flash does not seem to fully realise that you cannot sit back TvZ. Have to be aggro otherwise you get roooooooooollled


ThorZain plays a defensive macro style in TvZ (like 1 racks double expand), but he then goes really fast siege tanks. With more siege tanks he could have hold, maybe he should have delayed the medivacs in favour of siege tanks if he intended to turtle.


And Thorzain got kicked out of GSL Code A several times by mediocre Zergs. Style doesn't work vs truly good Zerg

Thorzain played in GSL once and lost 2-1. He's 4-4 in GSTL with a 5-6 record overall and 3-3 in TvZ. Not much of a sample size to make any kind of reasonable judgment.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4372 Posts
May 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#1138
On May 20 2012 17:19 n.DieJokes wrote:
Whats the state of the PvZ meta game like?


The last I remember was something like one makes roaches...the other rolls over and dies? But that was some time ago =/ dont take my word for it.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
May 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#1139
On May 20 2012 17:19 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:18 letian wrote:
I have a feeling that SC2 will be a B-team fest, a land of opportunities


It already is ?

Rather silly to state the obvieus.


Ummm... Effort is hardly a B-Teamer...
MMA: The true King of Wings
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 20 2012 08:21 GMT
#1140
On May 20 2012 17:19 n.DieJokes wrote:
Whats the state of the PvZ meta game like?

Varies a bit, but outside a few 2 and 3 base timings it tends to go into an ultralate game confrontation between broodlords with support vs mothership archon plus support.
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