EPTI signed up as Terran, but if signing up as a PvT race picker meant that I could pick between PvT and TvT on the spot, then I would've done that. Although my TvT is stronger, it's kind of hit-or-miss, so my PvT is more reliable against D- Terrans.
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
I signed up as Terran, but if signing up as a PvT race picker meant that I could pick between PvT and TvT on the spot, then I would've done that. Although my TvT is stronger, it's kind of hit-or-miss, so my PvT is more reliable against D- Terrans. | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:04 Eywa- wrote: If two players are race pickers they must announce their races before joining the game. The rule you highlighted clearly states if TWO players are race pickers, they must announce their races before joining the game. ^ This rule is simply to avoid conflict of two people are racepicking, it eventually becomes a race pick up till the countdown is over which is of course less than ideal. Thus, players have to announce going into the game. This has nothing to do with Race picker vs someone who doesn't race pick. As I said, there is no rule specified against what you do, only common sense. As one can try to get an advantage out of simply stating that he is 2 races so the opponent has 2 practice 2 matchups instead of the other's 1 match up. Dont say at this level doesnt matter cause its giving an unfair advantage to one player. You must not have read my entire post as I said you have to sign up with ONE race unless you are a race picker. Edit: I am not saying one cant be 2 races, just when its time to send a line-up, specify the matchups so there is no advantage for either side. Anyways, Nikon just posted, so read his post to see what is right. A question to the race-pickers. Why is it so hard for you to pick your 3 matchups 3 days ahead? The non-racepickers don't have a problem with picking, so why should we make exceptions for you? The fact that you can play multiple matchups is irrelevant. I signed up as Terran, but if signing up as a PvT race picker meant that I could pick between PvT and TvT on the spot, then I would've done that. Although my TvT is stronger, it's kind of hit-or-miss, so my PvT is more reliable against D- Terrans I am a race picker and since the first day I have stated which matchups I play. But yes, you are right, that should be the way, to have to state the 3 MUs the racepicking player is playing. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On March 03 2012 02:14 chrisolo wrote: So racepicker will then be at a disadvantage, because they just shall choose a race? I see there is a discrepancy in the current system, but this is just because the matchup get posted way too early. What is this fun dimension? You see there is just drama from each side. No fun at all knowing your opponent beforehand. I do not see how this could even matter in the aspect of fun. If you fear that people will not come, because their name does not stand somewhere in some post. I think this is not the reason people come. And if someone promises to be there on time and still does not be there on playdate, you can kick him out of the league (if he does not have a good reason for it). Keeping the matchups secret is much more profitable, since those people, who actually practice for their DRTL match, will get a much broader practice experience by just laddering and trying to be prepared for every matchup. Ok maybe you cannot forge-fastexpand, but you know there are other BO's you can still use. F.e. you can go Speedzeal +1 Push and expand behind it. A zerg player facing a 1-base protoss cannot go and expand like he would do against forge-fe. And also I think this is the only matchup and BO, which is hinderd by playing against random. Still there is a possibility for you to go scout on 5. Sure that is a small early disadvantage, but in the lower league it is not that big imho. You can then also harrass or gassteal with your early scout. That's bullshit. You don't practice on ladder, you ladder. Sure, you can improve your general game sense, macro, micro and such, but in the end, sitting down and grinding out 20 TvPs with people you know will help you improve a lot faster than playing 7 TvPs, 8 TvZs and 5 TvTs. Missing focused practice doesn't help. On March 03 2012 01:25 chrisolo wrote: You all act like it would matter to D-Rankers, which Race they play against. Most D-Rankers have deficits in more important parts of the game (game sense, macro, etc etc.) Why don't you see this whole league as a opportunity to get better in everything not just in a single part of the game to beat your next opponent in DRTL? If you are better all around, you should not be afraid of playing a racepicker or random. You know, you can scout on 7 supply, so you have enough time to choose a BO properly (even against random). Also why do you think racepickers only have 3 MU they play? Sure most of them only play 3, but a big part also plays more then 3 MU. F.e. I play PvZ, PvP, PvT, TvP, ZvP, ZvT and ZvZ (or Random, so if you count that as well RvT, RvZ and RvP, since this also plays out differently). Always trying to blame the others is not the right way. If you play a tournament, you also do not know who you will play, before the bracket is released. You can not always have the easy way of doing things. But I can agree that it seems to be unfair, that matchups are posted beforehand. It would be better to post them on the playdate on saturday. I would be perfectly fine with it and I do not understand why this was changed? This had to cause this drama about racepicker and randoms. Just start to handle things like in last season again and release the matchups just few minutes beforehand and there will not be any problems anymore. Yeah, it does matter who you're playing against, even in the D ranks. Especially in a tournament, knowing who you're facing and preparing for it is a good confidence boost. Sure, the league is intended to help people practice, but it's also a tournament. People want to win. Good thing is that winning comes with practice as well. No conflicts there whatsoever. And no, announcing lineups beforehand is not a change. It was supposed to be this way in Season 1 as well, but for some reason people couldn't make it. This season, the made it. I'm wondering why people exploded about this "issue"... no one cared last week, why the big noise now? | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:28 Nikon wrote: Yeah, it does matter who you're playing against, even in the D ranks. Especially in a tournament, knowing who you're facing and preparing for it is a good confidence boost. Sure, the league is intended to help people practice, but it's also a tournament. People want to win. Good thing is that winning comes with practice as well. No conflicts there whatsoever. And no, announcing lineups beforehand is not a change. It was supposed to be this way in Season 1 as well, but for some reason people couldn't make it. This season, the made it. I'm wondering why people exploded about this "issue"... no one cared last week, why the big noise now? Huh, I don't know. If you focus on one game for one match on one map against one race you'll be in danger of losing the overall game sense. There is no real super efficient way to train, it all comes down on how you see the game and a lot of small individual characteristics. I don't get all the debate either (not that my opinion matters, I'm not playing) back in 2002 we 50 apm scrubs played random opponents in BWCL w/o knowing who they were or what they play like. I was happy with that, it was more about the team and having some sort of competition rather than hardcore specific train. In the end you won't gain neither fame nor money, so all it's worth is the fun you get. If you'd focus on that the event will be awesome, nevermind what happens. Just focus on the game, smile if you lose, and even if you're the rage kind-of guy, you'll have that forgotten after 24 hours. The worst thing you can possibly do is to take a game serious. Fuck e-Sports. You'll just end up hating yourself or creating a superficial stupid alter ego that'll turn you into a giant jerk. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
I've announced my race, I'm always available (minus ISL time), I've said this more than a week an advance (though the lu was released less than a week ago)... So I give my opposition the longest possible amount of time for a reschedule date. He tells me we can play on Friday night or Sunday night and asks me for race I tell him I don't have to tell him and shortly thereafter send him another message saying him it'll be protoss and I ask what time he wishes to play at. Result: No response, he tries to make me look bm by posting in the thread saying I am refusing to give him my race a day after it was sent. I won't be here tomorrow due to refereeing ISL. I want a decision made by team 1 and/or Nikon is all. | ||
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Jealous
10261 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:28 Nikon wrote: Yeah, it does matter who you're playing against, even in the D ranks. Especially in a tournament, knowing who you're facing and preparing for it is a good confidence boost. Sure, the league is intended to help people practice, but it's also a tournament. People want to win. Good thing is that winning comes with practice as well. No conflicts there whatsoever. And no, announcing lineups beforehand is not a change. It was supposed to be this way in Season 1 as well, but for some reason people couldn't make it. This season, the made it. I'm wondering why people exploded about this "issue"... no one cared last week, why the big noise now? So then why allow people to choose their race after seeing the opponents'? I don't see why they can't say 3 matchups (TvZ ZvP PvT for example) or a single race beforehand. Reason I say this is that otherwise, say I am bad at PvZ, the person will pick Z to take advantage of that fact, but without having known he was facing me, he would have picked P. This issue arose because people who wanted to not reveal their race figured that removing lineups all together would even the playing field, because they would rather have that than pick. | ||
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s9_IU
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Jealous
10261 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:50 Eywa- wrote: So... I've announced my race, I'm always available (minus ISL time), I've said this more than a week an advance (though the lu was released less than a week ago)... So I give my opposition the longest possible amount of time for a reschedule date. He tells me we can play on Friday night or Sunday night and asks me for race I tell him I don't have to tell him and shortly thereafter send him another message saying him it'll be protoss and I ask what time he wishes to play at. Result: No response, he tries to make me look bm by posting in the thread saying I am refusing to give him my race a day after it was sent. I won't be here tomorrow due to refereeing ISL. I want a decision made by team 1 and/or Nikon is all. Why would I respond to you agreeing that Friday evening is good? I figured I would just PM you when I log on tonight. We agreed on a day. And no, you're still not understanding - I said that you told me you DIDN'T NEED TO TELL ME RACE, not that you DIDN'T TELL ME IT. Wherein do you see me complaining about your lack of race in particular? I'm talking about the unfairness of the system in general. Saying "probably Protoss" is not very reassuring after you tell me that you don't need to tell me race anyways, mind you, but whatever. Calm down. EDIT: So how does 10 pm sound? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:53 Jealous wrote: Why would I respond to you agreeing that Friday evening is good? I figured I would just PM you when I log on tonight. We agreed on a day. And no, you're still not understanding - I said that you told me you DIDN'T NEED TO TELL ME RACE, not that you DIDN'T TELL ME IT. Wherein do you see me complaining about your lack of race in particular? I'm talking about the unfairness of the system in general. Saying "probably Protoss" is not very reassuring after you tell me that you don't need to tell me race anyways, mind you, but whatever. Calm down. EDIT: So how does 10 pm sound? Thank you for the timely response, I agree to 10pm EST! GLHF  | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:42 Gecko[Xp] wrote: Huh, I don't know. If you focus on one game for one match on one map against one race you'll be in danger of losing the overall game sense. There is no real super efficient way to train, it all comes down on how you see the game and a lot of small individual characteristics. I don't get all the debate either (not that my opinion matters, I'm not playing) back in 2002 we 50 apm scrubs played random opponents in BWCL w/o knowing who they were or what they play like. I was happy with that, it was more about the team and having some sort of competition rather than hardcore specific train. In the end you won't gain neither fame nor money, so all it's worth is the fun you get. If you'd focus on that the event will be awesome, nevermind what happens. Just focus on the game, smile if you lose, and even if you're the rage kind-of guy, you'll have that forgotten after 24 hours. The worst thing you can possibly do is to take a game serious. Fuck e-Sports. You'll just end up hating yourself or creating a superficial stupid alter ego that'll turn you into a giant jerk. On March 03 2012 06:04 Nikon wrote: they are being announced 96 hours after the previous week's games have finished. I feel like this is a good balance between time for general practice, and time in which you know what matchup you'll be playing What happened back in 2002, happened back in 2002. Today, we're in 2012 and the scene has matured. The audience has matured with the scene as well. Even if you're new to the scene, Brood War has been played for more than a decade. You can't avoid the implications of that. One such implication is that most people who still play are more or less competetive. Another impliciation is that there's a vast amount of knowledge available to the general public. The general level of play and the upkeep of skill have risen immensely. There's no way around that. You say people don't play for fun? Well, they do. In more ways than one. Playing against a capable opponent is fun. Winning is fun. Being able to look back and say "Man, I've come a long way in these 3 months" is fun. Having a team to play for and practice with is not only a good way to meet people, but is invaluable to achieving the aforementioned. And all that is possible today because some people took a game way too seriously years ago. I really don't understand your "Fuck e-sports" statement. | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On March 03 2012 08:21 Nikon wrote: [...] Yes, I did not mean to flame anyone or to say you're doing anything wrong as organizers. I also know that the game has changed and advanced. I also see the fun into meta gaming before a clan war, e.g. making line-ups and do some sort of preperation. My only advice was that you shouldn't overdo the preperation part of the war, and just focus on having fun with your teams. I guess you can misunderstand my point of view, especially with me making comparisons to 2002. I'll just leave it with that, if I really explain the "fuck the e-Sports" argument, I'll do it in a blog, I don't think it's neccessary to spam your league with it. Anyhow, hF to all teams & players. + Show Spoiler + Artanis[Xp] hwaiting!~ | ||
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Gen.Rolly
United States200 Posts
Having a team to play for and practice with is not only a good way to meet people, but is invaluable to achieving the aforementioned. I agree. I still have not been chosen :[ and I would really like to play. I respect the race-picking debate but some of us cannot even play any race in the first place. Should I just wait for next season? or go back to playing ladder games.. FirebatFTW D Zerg, or any race I don't really care at this point | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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Shimy
United States771 Posts
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Puyi
United States175 Posts
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ProLeagueFan
Canada73 Posts
rank: D+ Name: MVP[wOk] race : terran | ||
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Shimy
United States771 Posts
On March 03 2012 11:54 Puyi wrote: what is the official rules for players rescheduling or player replacing a player on the lineup? It's looked down upon and shouldn't ever really happen. I realize this. Also, you can't really even go about this sort of thing unless the opponent agrees and that wouldn't really be fair to him. | ||
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Shimy
United States771 Posts
On March 03 2012 15:32 ProLeagueFan wrote: i want to play ! :D rank: D+ Name: MVP[wOk] race : terran I have a feeling that Arya is gonna want you on our team  Although, I feel that other teams might need a D+ terran... | ||
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Jealous
10261 Posts
On March 03 2012 15:51 Shimy wrote: I have a feeling that Arya is gonna want you on our team Although, I feel that other teams might need a D+ terran...aka Passion. and rs]pedro- for those of you interested in scooping him up (more in-depth info) | ||
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Puyi
United States175 Posts
On March 03 2012 15:50 Shimy wrote: It's looked down upon and shouldn't ever really happen. I realize this. Also, you can't really even go about this sort of thing unless the opponent agrees and that wouldn't really be fair to him. well so far 2 of my team's opponents asked to either reschedule or replace themselves and me and my teammate "agreed" | ||
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