I don't care about this series unless yellow plays. Because other wise its boring flash play, or boring stats play... Go hite i guess, push kt back to 9th
On January 15 2011 13:19 ilj.psa wrote: i fear for an Hydra all kill
Uhmm.... Flash?
Uhmm.... Hydra? Hydra hwaiting!!!!
Uhmm... I don't think you quite comprehend what I wrote; fucking Jaedong crusher who's currently at a vZ ELO higher than anyone else (except Jaedong) has ever been to?
On January 15 2011 13:19 ilj.psa wrote: i fear for an Hydra all kill
Uhmm.... Flash?
Uhmm.... Hydra? Hydra hwaiting!!!!
Uhmm... I don't think you quite comprehend what I wrote; fucking Jaedong crusher who's currently at a vZ ELO higher than anyone else (except Jaedong) has ever been to?
Poor Hoejja. The guy seems really nice but he must be hurting right now, I don't think he'll win this but I hope he does just for the sake of his spirit.
On January 15 2011 13:30 Kyuukyuu wrote: Firefist's in the army
Oh my...
wait, does this mean that KT has only 2 zergs on main team?
Nah, I think they have Roo or something forgettable filling out the third spot. But basically yeah, their best zerg is Action and the other two are pretty much awful.
On January 15 2011 13:33 GTR wrote: Just a reminder that the KPF Crew (myself, Solinren, Kentor and others) will be uploading games as fast as possible.
Sorry if this is off topic but can someone tell me who is it? Camera seemed to focus on him for quite some time... Unfortunately I didn't catch the cheerful that he was carrying. Thanks.
On January 15 2011 13:33 GTR wrote: Just a reminder that the KPF Crew (myself, Solinren, Kentor and others) will be uploading games as fast as possible.
Well we are all waiting for Hydra vs Flash.I have wanted to watch this mu for some time now.And btw in cj there are the most possible Flash snipers.Remember cj nearly always stops Flash in proleague so don't count on Flash AK much...
On January 15 2011 13:33 GTR wrote: Just a reminder that the KPF Crew (myself, Solinren, Kentor and others) will be uploading games as fast as possible.
On January 15 2011 13:33 GTR wrote: Just a reminder that the KPF Crew (myself, Solinren, Kentor and others) will be uploading games as fast as possible.
If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
On January 15 2011 13:53 Apex wrote: If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
This is really in Hite's hands. If stats wins, we can send out Horang2 or HoGiL. When Flash plays, Snow, SkyHigh, or Leta can take the win
On January 15 2011 13:53 Apex wrote: If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
There's also Leta, although I don't think he has ever defeated Flash.
I'd send SkyHigh, Leta and Snow, in that order, if Hydra defeats Stats and loses to Flash.
On January 15 2011 13:53 Apex wrote: If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
There's also Leta, although I don't think he has ever defeated Flash.
I'd send SkyHigh, Leta and Snow, in that order, if Hydra defeats Stats and loses to Flash.
On January 15 2011 13:53 Apex wrote: If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
There's also Leta, although I don't think he has ever defeated Flash.
I'd send SkyHigh, Leta and Snow, in that order, if Hydra defeats Stats and loses to Flash.
I believe Skyhigh, Leta, and Snow all beat Flash within the course of a few months early in 2010. If there was ever a team built to take down Flash in WL, it's hite Entus.
On January 15 2011 13:53 Apex wrote: If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
There's also Leta, although I don't think he has ever defeated Flash.
I'd send SkyHigh, Leta and Snow, in that order, if Hydra defeats Stats and loses to Flash.
On January 15 2011 13:53 Apex wrote: If Hydra beats Stats, then the backup plans devoted solely to Flash can emerge if Hydra fails to beat Flash. After all Hite Entus now has Skyhigh and Snow, two top-notch vT snipers.
There's also Leta, although I don't think he has ever defeated Flash.
I'd send SkyHigh, Leta and Snow, in that order, if Hydra defeats Stats and loses to Flash.
he does and they're almost even head to head
3-8 is your definition of even? I don't think Leta will ever defeat Flash again, not after that terrible dropship incident :|
On January 15 2011 14:15 Ryo wrote: Interesting choice by the Hite coach when you have horang2 on the bench.
They're thinking ahead, horang2 won't beat Flash, Snow might. On the other hand, 3-2 with only Flash left and Snow, Leta and Skyhigh left on your bench sounds nice too, so meh.
flash sending his army to 10.5 to take out the expo there. snow intercepting with is own army which crumbles (except for the carriers which retreat again.
probes evacuate 10.5.
flash's army reaches it, carriers are there as well.
carriers forced to run away from the goliaths, flash flattens 10.5
On January 15 2011 15:06 Holgerius wrote: Pretty bad gg timing.
Not really. Snow just might have been able to park his carriers over Flash's factories while eliminating sufficiently many goliaths.
He was completely broke (no more interceptors and no ability to get another base) while Flash had a ton of Goliaths, money saved up in the bank and expoes up. No way.
On January 15 2011 15:06 Holgerius wrote: Pretty bad gg timing.
Uh, no? One or two extra storms and Flash would've lost. That was super close to the end.
By super close you mean Flash had 2 bases and 20 goliaths against no income carriers?
No Goliaths = gg. 2 good storms on Goliaths would've killed Flash, guaranteed.
He had 1/2 a base at the end and was long distance mining too.
What? He had a saturated base. He had enough money to build a turret in front of it. He had literally just lifted a CC to the bottom right and was transferring SCVs. Also "2 good storms" will win any game, but Snow had to somehow magically get the templar past flash's tanks which were closing off the ground route to the final confrontation. The end wasn't close.
I don't really get why Snow went pure carriers. It's not all that good. You really do need a good balance of ground and air force as protoss, especially so you can maximize the mobility of carriers by splitting it up. Plus carrier timing for coming out was horrible. How can you move out when you have less interceptors than goliaths?
On January 15 2011 15:06 Holgerius wrote: Pretty bad gg timing.
Not really. Snow just might have been able to park his carriers over Flash's factories while eliminating sufficiently many goliaths.
He was completely broke (no more interceptors and no ability to get another base) while Flash had a ton of Goliaths, money saved up in the bank and expoes up. No way.
Yup. Flash still had his army (which was on its way to catch up to the carriers), and a fresh expo in the center. He could have just kept his army there and rebuilt factories, Snow wouldn't have been able to engage it.
Carriers only got 1 factory by the time the army reached them. getting all the facs would have taken flash afking for a couple mins with a bathroom break.
You need a critical mass of Goliaths against carriers, which Flash had. That's why Snow interceptors died so fast. With a bit of luck, that might have changed at one point. 1500 minerals is what, 15 Goliaths? Reinforcing 5-6 at a time against 7 carriers? Yeah, it was definitely close.
But that's a what if scenario and Flash won, so whatever.
On January 15 2011 15:14 kuroshiroi wrote: You need a critical mass of Goliaths against carriers, which Flash had. That's why Snow interceptors died so fast. With a bit of luck, that might have changed at one point. 1500 minerals is what, 10 Goliaths? Reinforcing 5-6 at a time against 7 carriers? Yeah, it was definitely close.
But that's a what if scenario and Flash won, so whatever.
On January 15 2011 15:11 baubo wrote: I don't really get why Snow went pure carriers. It's not all that good. You really do need a good balance of ground and air force as protoss, especially so you can maximize the mobility of carriers by splitting it up. Plus carrier timing for coming out was horrible. How can you move out when you have less interceptors than goliaths?
The timing on the carrier reveal was forced, if he didn't move *right then* he would have given up 6 for nothing and probably lost his natural as well (which he did anyways despite his best efforts). That's when he started going pure carrier, and that's because that's all he could afford once all of his mining bases were razed.
What I don't get is how Flash rolled over Snow's army immediately after having 999999 tanks blow up.
On January 15 2011 15:14 kuroshiroi wrote: You need a critical mass of Goliaths against carriers, which Flash had. That's why Snow interceptors died so fast. With a bit of luck, that might have changed at one point. 1500 minerals is what, 10 Goliaths? Reinforcing 5-6 at a time against 7 carriers? Yeah, it was definitely close.
But that's a what if scenario and Flash won, so whatever.
Wishful thinking won't get you anywhere, last 2 mins werent even close.
On January 15 2011 15:14 kuroshiroi wrote: You need a critical mass of Goliaths against carriers, which Flash had. That's why Snow interceptors died so fast. With a bit of luck, that might have changed at one point. 1500 minerals is what, 10 Goliaths? Reinforcing 5-6 at a time against 7 carriers? Yeah, it was definitely close.
But that's a what if scenario and Flash won, so whatever.
Wishful thinking won't get you anywhere, last 2 mins werent even close.
1500 minerals, 2 bases and some turrets. 7 starving carriers cant kill that. Specially when Flash's main goliath force was of that size..
On January 15 2011 15:11 baubo wrote: I don't really get why Snow went pure carriers. It's not all that good. You really do need a good balance of ground and air force as protoss, especially so you can maximize the mobility of carriers by splitting it up. Plus carrier timing for coming out was horrible. How can you move out when you have less interceptors than goliaths?
The timing on the carrier reveal was forced, if he didn't move *right then* he would have given up 6 for nothing and probably lost his natural as well (which he did anyways despite his best efforts). That's when he started going pure carrier, and that's because that's all he could afford once all of his mining bases were razed.
What I don't get is how Flash rolled over Snow's army immediately after having 999999 tanks blow up.
Arbiter tech + templar tech + 3-gate carriers... The reason Snow had no army was because he decided he need every single protoss tech that ever existed. Usually there's a terran timing when protoss goes pure carriers. Snow decided that he needed no army.
On January 15 2011 15:23 kuroshiroi wrote: HT kill maybe 10 extra Goliaths(5 mins before gg) => less Goliaths => Less interceptors killed => No Goliaths => No Tanks.
Not the last 2 minutes, I'm talking about when Flash was attacking Snow's bases.
Anyway, Leta is up.
The whole point of this convo was that it was bad gg timing, which exceeded 2 mins, and right now you just confirmed it yourself. Thank you
On January 15 2011 15:24 xxpack09 wrote: Is Ustream chat bugging out for anyone else? I keep getting a big box of white space that I can't click on or anything
I can't even log in to Ustream chat. Their stuff just doesn't work.
On January 15 2011 15:23 kuroshiroi wrote: HT kill maybe 10 extra Goliaths(5 mins before gg) => less Goliaths => Less interceptors killed => No Goliaths => No Tanks.
Not the last 2 minutes, I'm talking about when Flash was attacking Snow's bases.
Anyway, Leta is up.
Yeah if he had killed 10 more of flashes goliaths it would have been closer. But he didn't, and 2 hts seldom kill 10 goliaths if they aren't completely flooding the place. when you have like 15 theres no way 10 are going to die.
On January 15 2011 15:41 Womwomwom wrote: Oh hey I just noticed, did KT get iPads?
I don't know if the entire team got them, but their cheerful's been an iPad for a while.
On January 12 2011 10:16 yoonyoon wrote: - KT(the company) said that it would give iPads to all of its 32000 executives and staff members, and people are wondering if KT Rolster is going to be given them as well. In the 09-10 season, when KT won the winner's league, they all received 3G iPhones so people think that there's a possibility.
This is the first time in forever that I feel Flash's opponent has outplayed him in the lategame. With Flash's advantage he should have long ago crushed Leta. =/
On January 15 2011 15:52 Gahlo wrote: Ugh, Action could take Flash's place while he went to the bathroom and finish this game. Only way any action could happen till it's over.
On January 15 2011 15:53 ArvickHero wrote: I imagine one of the interviewer's questions for Flash is going to be "The TvT with Leta took a very long time to finish"
Flash wasn't hitting the wraiths for like 20 seconds of that because his scan ran out and he apparently wasn't looking. Is he trying to make some kind of statement about late GGing or something?
Finally, a gg. Since Canata has been withdrawn from SKT's A-team lineup I think we should replace the "Canata TvT" concept with "Flash vs [not Fantasy] TvT"
Flash definitely knew what Leta was trying to do, he didn't even seem to be trying for the last 30 minutes, most likely very low APM and just winging it to conserve his energy.
On January 15 2011 16:08 Eun_Star wrote: wow that was a long boring tvt
The epitome of why people hate TvTs. One side has basically insurmountable advantage, and the game last for another hour.
Also, I think Leta kind of want to tire Flash out. You never know, there might be a limit to how long Flash's hand can hold up. It might screw him up against Skyhigh. Talk about war of attrition...
On January 15 2011 16:12 StylishVODs wrote: So... that game took about 30 minutes more than it needed to. I was like lol this is rape and then flash didn't do much.. probably expected a gg
Flash seems to play really conservative TvT. No unnecessary risks at all.
On January 15 2011 16:12 StylishVODs wrote: So... that game took about 30 minutes more than it needed to. I was like lol this is rape and then flash didn't do much.. probably expected a gg
Flash made around 6 unnecessary CCs and lots of unnecessary turrets to accompany those unnecessary CCs. Coincidentally, he had around 2000 gas when we saw his screen at around the 35 minute mark. He could've ended the game whenever he wanted by making 20 more tanks and killed Leta but he didn't. Playing extra safe, for the lulz or something. Terrible play but he won, which is what matters.
On January 15 2011 16:12 StylishVODs wrote: So... that game took about 30 minutes more than it needed to. I was like lol this is rape and then flash didn't do much.. probably expected a gg
Flash seems to play really conservative TvT. No unnecessary risks at all.
which is why he wins in that matchup so damn much. Fantasy's TvT is really fun to watch due to his aggressive play, but is a lot less consistent.
Good call by Flash to break the contain early. iirc last game he lost to Skyhigh on fortress Skyhigh had him contained most of the game and mass expanded.
skyhigh elevatoring units out of his main near flash's base. flash sees it with an scv.
2 dropships for skyhigh.
flash moves nearby and takes out skyhigh's tanks there. skyhigh drops additional units and takes out flash's units. flash brings another group of units and clears skyhigh out.
On January 15 2011 16:30 Malinor wrote: Flash is a just a maphacker. Something flies somewhere and he either scans it or has a SCV under it. Gets me every time.
On January 15 2011 16:30 Malinor wrote: Flash is a just a maphacker. Something flies somewhere and he either scans it or has a SCV under it. Gets me every time.
if skyhigh used his dropships to crush flash's dropships + small force near 7 he would have had a great shot at winning but instead suicides dropships + army hoozah the king is alive
Oh god it's finally over. I almost had an attack right there D: Please Flash, don't ever troll your fans like that again.
(on a side note, are you intentionally trying to make the game more interesting? ) The terrible beast known as KTFlash strikes again! This time with a new victim.
That game should definitely be recommended. Holy fuck. :D First the awesome nuke, and then Skyhigh seemingly finding an opening to get back into the game (it wasn't as close at it might've seemed though, I think). Very exciting end!
On January 15 2011 16:51 Black[CAT] wrote: Damn, was pretty close, Skyhigh almost won actually. My heart skipped a beat when i saw Skyhigh won center battle and have so much tanks.
Maybe if Skyhigh got to flash's base 30 seconds earlier, he'd have a shot, but the reinforcement tanks got out and sieged, so flash's factories were safe. The only way skyhigh could have won there was to destroy all of flash's production, since he was down like 6 bases to 1.5
On January 15 2011 16:52 Holgerius wrote: That game should definitely be recommended. Holy fuck. :D First the awesome nuke, and then Skyhigh seemingly finding an opening to get back into the game (it wasn't as close at it might've seemed though, I think). Very exciting end!
It looked tense, but Flash was still mining from a crapload of bases, while Skyhigh wasn't Still, it was a dramatic nice ending
On January 15 2011 16:51 Monkeyshark wrote: Wow, I like how some of you calling 1 nuke killing A SHIT TON OF SCV bm.
nukes are bm by default if you can get nukes you could have used the resources and build tanks and gols which are more efficient, consider the gas/min needed for covert ops+ghost+occular implants+silos+nukes vs just dropping tanks and gols. This is why any time someone goes for nukes its saying "im so far ahead i can afford to make the most inefficient units and still beat you"
On January 15 2011 16:52 Holgerius wrote: That game should definitely be recommended. Holy fuck. :D First the awesome nuke, and then Skyhigh seemingly finding an opening to get back into the game (it wasn't as close at it might've seemed though, I think). Very exciting end!
Haha yeah! I was like, FUCK he might lose afterall when skyhigh cleared mid and went for flashes natural. Guess it wasnt as close as it seemed though, skyhigh doomdropped into main fast?
Anyway, best TvT in forever(not in the good boring for TvT#carers way though)
Lee Young Ho Fighting !! Just like we saw in the last two games, at his level he definitely can afford to play around. but when he decides to play seriously, annihilation is delivered.
That game would've probably been funnier if Skyhigh managed to win. But alright fine, it was a good game nonetheless. This result is nothing but expected seeing how KTFlash the winning team is.
On January 15 2011 16:53 Goragoth wrote: Ugh Skyhigh could have had that game so easily. Flash played like trash and Skyhigh handed him the win anyway.
On January 15 2011 16:51 Monkeyshark wrote: Wow, I like how some of you calling 1 nuke killing A SHIT TON OF SCV bm.
nukes are bm by default if you can get nukes you could have used the resources and build tanks and gols which are more efficient, consider the gas/min needed for covert ops+ghost+occular implants+silos+nukes vs just dropping tanks and gols. This is why any time someone goes for nukes its saying "im so far ahead i can afford to make the most inefficient units and still beat you"
To be fair, when you're ahead of your opponent a great amount, sometimes things that are necessarily cost efficient aren't the best options. It's the same reason TvT ends up going to BCs: While Goliaths and Tanks are more cost efficient, a BC army will still win and kill the opponent before they can reinforce.
On January 15 2011 16:53 Goragoth wrote: Ugh Skyhigh could have had that game so easily. Flash played like trash and Skyhigh handed him the win anyway.
On January 15 2011 16:51 Monkeyshark wrote: Wow, I like how some of you calling 1 nuke killing A SHIT TON OF SCV bm.
nukes are bm by default if you can get nukes you could have used the resources and build tanks and gols which are more efficient, consider the gas/min needed for covert ops+ghost+occular implants+silos+nukes vs just dropping tanks and gols. This is why any time someone goes for nukes its saying "im so far ahead i can afford to make the most inefficient units and still beat you"
BM to SkyHigh is not really BM imo. That's just all-in vs Shine - there should be no sympathy.
I just couldn't help loving Skyhigh's face when he got nuked. It was basically like laughing "Hahaha, you good Flash, really good" at himself. Btw is there any 'recommended' poll? Gonna have to recommend this :DDD
On January 15 2011 16:51 alffla wrote: WTF damnit i thought skyhigh was winning lol
I don't think you could say he was winning at any point in the match.
He was winning in troop counts and a little eco at the early to mid stage of the game.
I'm not sure that "winning" is the right word to describe that situation. He may have been slightly ahead at that point, but he sure as hell wasn't in a winning position.
On January 15 2011 16:54 vectorix108 wrote: sad day for HEntus fans. WTF is up with the team
They got beat by the best player in the world who has nothing to do but play Proleague, Ping Pong, and read One Piece since he's out of OSL/MSL.
I think it is indeed a sad day because Hentus is doing terrible in WL and this loss just drives the point further in.
Also does Flash read One Piece? I thought Stork was the one who talks about his hobbies including One Piece, Flash said in an old interview his hobby was playing off race.
On January 15 2011 16:51 Monkeyshark wrote: Wow, I like how some of you calling 1 nuke killing A SHIT TON OF SCV bm.
nukes are bm by default if you can get nukes you could have used the resources and build tanks and gols which are more efficient, consider the gas/min needed for covert ops+ghost+occular implants+silos+nukes vs just dropping tanks and gols. This is why any time someone goes for nukes its saying "im so far ahead i can afford to make the most inefficient units and still beat you"
"by default" I don't know where you get your definition of nuke = bm from, but sometimes a nuke is needed in order to win and not just for bm, Dropping some tanks + goliath means that you're going to be weaker at another spot which he can counter and that can also be game changing.
On January 15 2011 16:57 moopie wrote: overall 10-11 current rankings (spoilers from skt/fox) + Show Spoiler +
Damn, only 2 games separate #2 and #8, this is a damn close race.
2 games against each other maybe, but 4 game differential.
If you want to boil it down to semantics, yes, but they have to play each other 3 more times before the season is out, and it only takes 2 more sets of games this round to equalize them.
On January 15 2011 16:54 vectorix108 wrote: sad day for HEntus fans. WTF is up with the team
They got beat by the best player in the world who has nothing to do but play Proleague, Ping Pong, and read One Piece since he's out of OSL/MSL.
I think it is indeed a sad day because Hentus is doing terrible in WL and this loss just drives the point further in.
Also does Flash read One Piece? I thought Stork was the one who talks about his hobbies including One Piece, Flash's hobby said in an old interview his hobby was playing off race.
I'm guessing he does, during his birthday his cyworld had images of that mascot character (Chopper I think his name was) on his front page.
Thank god there are 15 games of WL left, figure 23-13 (even Flash is going to lose a game here or there) with only 2 rounds remaining after that. KT might yet make the playoffs!
On January 15 2011 17:05 revy wrote: Thank god there are 15 games of WL left, figure 23-13 (even Flash is going to lose a game here or there) with only 2 rounds remaining after that. KT might yet make the playoffs!
On January 15 2011 17:05 revy wrote: Thank god there are 15 games of WL left, figure 23-13 (even Flash is going to lose a game here or there) with only 2 rounds remaining after that. KT might yet make the playoffs!
Maybe flash will start losing after he gets his 46 win goals. Though I feel like when he declare that goal, he didn't have faith in his teammate.
On January 15 2011 16:54 vectorix108 wrote: sad day for HEntus fans. WTF is up with the team
Also does Flash read One Piece? I thought Stork was the one who talks about his hobbies including One Piece, Flash said in an old interview his hobby was playing off race.
Lol, this makes me think of something like:
Q: What is your hobby? Stork: Reading One Piece and playing games on the cellphone. Flash: Ping-pong. That and play more games.
On January 15 2011 16:51 Monkeyshark wrote: Wow, I like how some of you calling 1 nuke killing A SHIT TON OF SCV bm.
nukes are bm by default if you can get nukes you could have used the resources and build tanks and gols which are more efficient, consider the gas/min needed for covert ops+ghost+occular implants+silos+nukes vs just dropping tanks and gols. This is why any time someone goes for nukes its saying "im so far ahead i can afford to make the most inefficient units and still beat you"
To be fair, when you're ahead of your opponent a great amount, sometimes things that are necessarily cost efficient aren't the best options. It's the same reason TvT ends up going to BCs: While Goliaths and Tanks are more cost efficient, a BC army will still win and kill the opponent before they can reinforce.
Well lets be fair, being up 5 bases or so and making 4 nuclear silos can't be anything but toying around:D Specially since he added 3port BC at the same time..
Somehow I feel that Snow, Leta and skyhigh are some of the best Flash-snipers out there. I'm very impressed that Flash managed to beat them all in a row.
On January 15 2011 17:20 StylishVODs wrote: Somehow I feel that Snow, Leta and skyhigh are some of the best Flash-snipers out there. I'm very impressed that Flash managed to beat them all in a row.
Yeah, especially Snow Leta hasn't been as hot lately, so his chances of winning weren't that high still very impressive feat by Flash
On January 15 2011 16:53 Goragoth wrote: Ugh Skyhigh could have had that game so easily. Flash played like trash and Skyhigh handed him the win anyway.
Lol? Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
How am I wrong? He was ahead in the early game and Flash wasted a bunch of units guarding the middle. Then Skyhigh handed Flash the top-right expo without a fight and continued to let Flash take unguarded expos across the map, using his drop-fleet force to gift Flash takes by dropping the middle and making useless attempts at dropping Flash's main. The S in RTS stands for strategy and is pretty simple: have more resources than your opponent and win. Too bad Flash seems to be the only progamer with more than a tenuous grasp of that concept.
Haha I fell asleep during the Leta game after Flash took 2/3 of the map, woke up half an hour during the commercial break and was like 'oh time to turn off the TV' and then game 7 started. I got to watch all of the awesomeness live while missing all the torture. :-D
On January 16 2011 00:30 Lightwip wrote: It's kinda sad how much this shows that KT is nothing without Flash.
never miss a chance to shit on em do you lightwip?
Do you disagree? I think it's pretty apparent. Stats is the only other player capable of winning 1/2-2/3 of his games. Besides, plenty of people said SKTFantasy last season. It's nothing unwarranted.
On January 16 2011 00:30 Lightwip wrote: It's kinda sad how much this shows that KT is nothing without Flash.
It's kinda sad how much this shows that Lightwip's post content is nothing but KT and Flash hate. The last time you showed up in a LR thread with KT winning you got routed, Wip. Stop starting another one in here.
On January 16 2011 00:30 Lightwip wrote: It's kinda sad how much this shows that KT is nothing without Flash.
It's kinda sad how much this shows that Lightwip's post content is nothing but KT and Flash hate. The last time you showed up in a LR thread with KT winning you got routed, Wip. Stop starting another one in here.
He hates Jaedong NonBisuPlayers too~ Anyways, KT has Stats. You know the guy with 4th most wins in proleague?
On January 16 2011 00:30 Lightwip wrote: It's kinda sad how much this shows that KT is nothing without Flash.
It's kinda sad how much this shows that Lightwip's post content is nothing but KT and Flash hate. The last time you showed up in a LR thread with KT winning you got routed, Wip. Stop starting another one in here.
He hates JD too~
Actually I don't, JD is my favorite player after Bisu and Stork. I just think he's been doing badly as of late compared to how he usually does. But didn't a KT fan mention the same thing I did about KT and Flash in a different way just a page back? I ask once more, do you disagree with what I said(even if you don't particularly like the KT hate in the post)?
On January 16 2011 01:30 dani_caliKorea wrote:Anyways, KT has Stats. You know the guy with 4th most wins in proleague?
To be fair, he was #16 at the end of round 2 with a 50% winrate. Also, the team drops off horribly after that.
On January 15 2011 18:33 shadymmj wrote: Is it just me or does flash have 92% wins this season?
Not exactly surprising because he's out of both leagues so he only has proleague to practice for...
It was sick that he was maintaining 70-75% when going deep in both leagues (and winning most of them) while continuing to be a proleague beast over the past season.
On January 16 2011 00:42 zenMaster wrote: I hate KTFlash.
and yet you seem to like JaedongOz.
The difference is that Jaedong never turtles.
Lol Jaedong does simcity. Jeadong uses mobility of mutas. Bisu is allways fast-expoing vs Zerg. Rofl why are u saying crap like that. Flash just uses Terran in the way they are best. Same do best Protosses and Zergs.
On January 16 2011 03:25 zenMaster wrote: Games that Flash isn`t turtling... Wait, I can`t think of any games off the top of my head except for the recent one against Best.
Jaedong turtling one game doesn`t make Flash turtling every other game fun to watch.
You apparently have never seen Flash TvP or TvZ...
On January 16 2011 03:25 zenMaster wrote: Games that Flash isn`t turtling... Wait, I can`t think of any games off the top of my head except for the recent one against Best.
Jaedong turtling one game doesn`t make Flash turtling every other game fun to watch.
You apparently have never seen Flash TvP or TvZ...
On January 16 2011 03:25 zenMaster wrote: Games that Flash isn`t turtling... Wait, I can`t think of any games off the top of my head except for the recent one against Best.
Jaedong turtling one game doesn`t make Flash turtling every other game fun to watch.
You apparently have never seen Flash TvP or TvZ...
You can say that he haven't even seen Flash's play much since he'll never get that turtling image out of Flash.
zenMaster you should just stop trolling Flash because all you do is making yourself look stupid. Obviously, by your posts, I can see that you know nothing about Flash.
I'm as much of a Flash hater as you can be, but I can say he doesn't always turtle. Usually he does it when it's needed/good on a map It does always piss me off when I watch him turtle though.
Ah.. it's always refreshing to wake up and open up the results for a KT match to see Lightwip ripping/hating/trolling onto KT and Flash... always makes my day
Seriously? EVERY freakin KT vs XXXX match thread I see, it's always him (not that he's the ONLY one) saying how much Flash is boring and how much KT sucks etc... We fully understand how much you hate Flash... so can you please stop posting in every thread about how much you hate him?
From the previous KT vs SKT thread... On January 10 2011 21:14 Monkeyshark wrote: Ahh this thread is turning to the classic anti flash vs flash fan thread. It's never going to go anywhere when the anti are just mad about their favorites are being beaten by him.
Flash turtles? Fuck he's a little turtling bitch. Flash timing attack? Why can't he win without doing something normal? Flash cheese? What a cunt. Flash plays normal? Holy shit he can't win without doing something interesting. Flash does something interesting? It has been done before, what a fucking copy cat. Flash lose? FUCK YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SHITTY PLAYER
On January 16 2011 04:43 ZavikZyke wrote: Ah.. it's always refreshing to wake up and open up the results for a KT match to see Lightwip ripping/hating/trolling onto KT and Flash... always makes my day
Seriously? EVERY freakin KT vs XXXX match thread I see, it's always him (not that he's the ONLY one) saying how much Flash is boring and how much KT sucks etc... We fully understand your hatred towards Flash and we (sorta) respect it... so can you please stop posting in every thread about how much you hate him?
From the previous KT vs SKT thread... On January 10 2011 21:14 Monkeyshark wrote: Ahh this thread is turning to the classic anti flash vs flash fan thread. It's never going to go anywhere when the anti are just mad about their favorites are being beaten by him.
Flash turtles? Fuck he's a little turtling bitch. Flash timing attack? Why can't he win without doing something normal? Flash cheese? What a cunt. Flash plays normal? Holy shit he can't win without doing something interesting. Flash does something interesting? It has been done before, what a fucking copy cat. Flash lose? FUCK YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SHITTY PLAYER
Well said.
Seriously Lightwip, get over yourself.
On a side note, go Flash! Sorta disappointed rest of KT couldnt pull through... feel sorry for action BUT GOD YOUNGHO SUPP
Can't wait for the VOD, I'm really curious where Flash's army was when Skyhigh busted out after the nuke. It seemed like Skyhigh came out ahead with at least a 20 tank advantage...maybe Flash was already cutting supply for BCs or had to much tied up in SCVs. Great way to use a nuke though, since Skyhigh wouldn't even have vision of the dot.
On January 16 2011 04:43 ZavikZyke wrote: Ah.. it's always refreshing to wake up and open up the results for a KT match to see Lightwip ripping/hating/trolling onto KT and Flash... always makes my day
Seriously? EVERY freakin KT vs XXXX match thread I see, it's always him (not that he's the ONLY one) saying how much Flash is boring and how much KT sucks etc... We fully understand how much you hate Flash... so can you please stop posting in every thread about how much you hate him?
From the previous KT vs SKT thread... On January 10 2011 21:14 Monkeyshark wrote: Ahh this thread is turning to the classic anti flash vs flash fan thread. It's never going to go anywhere when the anti are just mad about their favorites are being beaten by him.
Flash turtles? Fuck he's a little turtling bitch. Flash timing attack? Why can't he win without doing something normal? Flash cheese? What a cunt. Flash plays normal? Holy shit he can't win without doing something interesting. Flash does something interesting? It has been done before, what a fucking copy cat. Flash lose? FUCK YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SHITTY PLAYER
Lol this is so frickin true When Flash was totally creaming JD in HD MSL I was totally on this bandwagon
But nah, I can't bash Flash for knowing how to win games, besides Terran isn't exactly to most flexible race.
stupidity imba when Flash can save KT's rear end everytime they are in trouble.
The same apples for the JD, Bisu and Stork. You cant snipe good player from other team without sending off good player from your. And then they proceed to all-kill. Cant be helped, blame league format for this.
On January 16 2011 04:43 ZavikZyke wrote: Ah.. it's always refreshing to wake up and open up the results for a KT match to see Lightwip ripping/hating/trolling onto KT and Flash... always makes my day
Seriously? EVERY freakin KT vs XXXX match thread I see, it's always him (not that he's the ONLY one) saying how much Flash is boring and how much KT sucks etc... We fully understand how much you hate Flash... so can you please stop posting in every thread about how much you hate him?
From the previous KT vs SKT thread... On January 10 2011 21:14 Monkeyshark wrote: Ahh this thread is turning to the classic anti flash vs flash fan thread. It's never going to go anywhere when the anti are just mad about their favorites are being beaten by him.
Flash turtles? Fuck he's a little turtling bitch. Flash timing attack? Why can't he win without doing something normal? Flash cheese? What a cunt. Flash plays normal? Holy shit he can't win without doing something interesting. Flash does something interesting? It has been done before, what a fucking copy cat. Flash lose? FUCK YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SHITTY PLAYER
SO TRUE!!! It gets old reading Flash haters posts. You summed it up nicely!
On January 16 2011 04:19 Lightwip wrote: I'm as much of a Flash hater as you can be, but I can say he doesn't always turtle. Usually he does it when it's needed/good on a map It does always piss me off when I watch him turtle though.
I forget which game this was (might have been a day9 daily or something) but Flash revolutionized TvZ with aggressive marines denying mutalisk harass...
I don't get why Flash fans get all their panties in a wad over Flash hate. I mean, the guy plays terran. What do you expect?
Stork and Bisu play Protoss. And PvP is by far the most dynamic mirror-MU from start to finish, with a right mix of fast games with intense micro, and macro games that feature the entire tech tree for both players.
Jaedong plays zerg. And ZvZs, however one may think of them, at least are over fast all the time. And the few long ZvZs tend to be epic.
Flash plays terran. And TvT is the only MU where we can declare the winner 30 minutes before the loser GGs. It's the matchup where you can be beating the crap out of your opponent, have better tech, economy, army size, and still drag out the game for 10-20 more minutes because it's freaking TvT.
On January 16 2011 00:42 zenMaster wrote: I hate KTFlash.
and yet you seem to like JaedongOz.
The difference is that Jaedong never turtles.
I absolutely hate this dumb delusion everyone has about zergs not being turtles. EVERY goddamn zerg turtles except Kwanro. Standar ZvT is turtling on three bases until you can sneak a fourth base and turtle on that until you can get the much more powerful hive tech. Standard ZvP is turtling on three bases with buildings and sunkens while you mass up drones until you hit higher tech and can spend all your larva on units.
Jaedong does this. Jaedong turtles more than Flash because 2 of his match's standard builds turtle until you reach double digit minutes in game time. He doesn't always play exactly standard, the same as Flash doesn't.
On January 15 2011 16:53 Goragoth wrote: Ugh Skyhigh could have had that game so easily. Flash played like trash and Skyhigh handed him the win anyway.
Lol? Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
How am I wrong? He was ahead in the early game and Flash wasted a bunch of units guarding the middle. Then Skyhigh handed Flash the top-right expo without a fight and continued to let Flash take unguarded expos across the map, using his drop-fleet force to gift Flash takes by dropping the middle and making useless attempts at dropping Flash's main. The S in RTS stands for strategy and is pretty simple: have more resources than your opponent and win. Too bad Flash seems to be the only progamer with more than a tenuous grasp of that concept.
I must have viewed the game differently from your point of view. Skyhigh was playing well early game with his aggression (and gained advantage), but after that (flash made a brilliant decision by pulling scv's to save himself), it was just Flash domination until the last few minutes where Skyhigh had a chance to take the game. If flash did play like trash and skyhigh handed him the win, like you have said in your previous post, then I would not have enjoyed watching the game. I'm not a TvT fan, but that was certainly a fun game to watch. My belief is that flash played very well in this game--and that is, as you have explained, by having more resources than your opponent.
On January 15 2011 16:53 Goragoth wrote: Ugh Skyhigh could have had that game so easily. Flash played like trash and Skyhigh handed him the win anyway.
Lol? Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
The S in RTS stands for strategy and is pretty simple: have more resources than your opponent and win.
So you think that Starcraft is a simple game of having more resources and winning? Somehow I have the feeling that you're one of those people that act like they know it all, when they are actually over simplifying things.
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