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[MSL] Semi-Final A: Flash vs Fantasy - Page 93

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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 19 2010 13:41 GMT
#1841
On August 19 2010 22:38 zmeqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:27 Samurai- wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:22 zmeqt wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:14 Samurai- wrote:
poor leta


You know that Leta had godly TVT ? He was like probably the best tvt before a yeah or so.

godly eh ? with his godly TvT he lost 2:0 to flash recently...

Did you even read my post? A YEAR AGO !!!My point was that he has the skill needed to do very well against him.

and my point was that he doesnt have the skill needed..
One ring, to rule them all!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 19 2010 13:42 GMT
#1842
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>
Remember Violet.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 19 2010 13:43 GMT
#1843
On August 19 2010 22:39 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:29 4kmonk wrote:
Can someone do this interview asap pls?

i'm on it

get on it like how you do the cheap hookers at Gey Lang yo~

j/k

<3
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
August 19 2010 13:44 GMT
#1844
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


Oh you're probably right. I think WCG is counted in ELO. The additional 1 loss would definitely cover for the few points gained/lost by playing with Flash's ELO higher and Fanta's lower.
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 19 2010 13:45 GMT
#1845
On August 19 2010 22:35 Samurai- wrote:
yep, people care for this ELO way too much..


elo cuts through bias, it settles arguments by hard evidence.

flash is the top terran, the best player that currently exists beating all bonjwas, jd and bisu.

Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 19 2010 13:47 GMT
#1846
Man im not even a hardcore fan of these 2 and i was trippin out XD can't imagine wat it was like for u die-hards

Come on JD, roll the best 2nd best TvZ player that way it'll hype up JvF 3 even more XD
Jaedong and Baby
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 19 2010 13:48 GMT
#1847
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 19 2010 13:52 GMT
#1848
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 13:56:25
August 19 2010 13:56 GMT
#1849
Now Flash needs to practice his 14cc vs Jaedong ezpz
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 19 2010 13:56 GMT
#1850
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 14:02:51
August 19 2010 14:01 GMT
#1851
On August 19 2010 22:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>

Not over my head at all . What I didn't understand was the comment "WCG has nothing to do with this series" in the context of ELO which clearly is affected by both series...

On August 19 2010 22:56 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.

It does. You'll have to look closer.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 19 2010 14:03 GMT
#1852
Btw, Flash's 1 Rax FE --> 2 Port seems like such a fantastic build. It seems very flexible, allowing you to adapt and transition into a variety of strategies. Me like.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 19 2010 14:06 GMT
#1853
On August 19 2010 23:01 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>

Not over my head at all . What I didn't understand was the comment "WCG has nothing to do with this series" in the context of ELO which clearly is affected by both series...

Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 22:56 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.

It does. You'll have to look closer.


well, flash was 2372 before wcg v fantasy. and he was still 2372 after 2-0 fantasy. that to me is proof it doesn't count. what do you think?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 19 2010 14:09 GMT
#1854
On August 19 2010 23:06 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 23:01 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>

Not over my head at all . What I didn't understand was the comment "WCG has nothing to do with this series" in the context of ELO which clearly is affected by both series...

On August 19 2010 22:56 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
[quote]
Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.

It does. You'll have to look closer.


well, flash was 2372 before wcg v fantasy. and he was still 2372 after 2-0 fantasy. that to me is proof it doesn't count. what do you think?

You sure TLPD had been updated?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
August 19 2010 14:10 GMT
#1855
Everyone so greedy for Liquibet, even Fantasy fans voted Flash. Ridiculous.
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 19 2010 14:11 GMT
#1856
On August 19 2010 23:09 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 23:06 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 23:01 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:23 revy wrote:
I think it's fitting that Flash bumped his TvT ELO up 1 point after being up 2-0 so that his peak will remember this great series.

Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>

Not over my head at all . What I didn't understand was the comment "WCG has nothing to do with this series" in the context of ELO which clearly is affected by both series...

On August 19 2010 22:56 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
[quote]
Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
[quote]

ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.

It does. You'll have to look closer.


well, flash was 2372 before wcg v fantasy. and he was still 2372 after 2-0 fantasy. that to me is proof it doesn't count. what do you think?

You sure TLPD had been updated?


yup. but it'd be nice to have admins confirm it.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
August 19 2010 14:14 GMT
#1857
So enjoyable. I was having bad flashbacks to Flash v Effort for a little while there, but glad to see Flash pull it out. I didn't get to watch all the games, but following the thread was epic.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
August 19 2010 14:15 GMT
#1858
Man, this series didn't dissapoint! I was really looking forward to it, no doubt both of them practiced pretty hard for their possible meeting in PL finals, then for WCG and MSL. It was bound to be epic...but who could know *how* epic!

I could only laugh at the TvT haters. "noo, TvT BO5 *cutwrist*", "please no TvT in semifinals blah blah"...all bullshit. No mirror matchup comes close to high level TvT. Boxer vs oov, Flash vs fantasy...was there even such epic PvP or ZvZ BO5? Bisu vs Stork probably comes close.
segfix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States32 Posts
August 19 2010 14:20 GMT
#1859
On August 19 2010 23:11 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 23:09 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 23:06 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 23:01 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:25 McDonalds wrote:
[quote]
Is ELO recorded game by game or series by series? I would have thought that the results aren't recorded until the winner is decided.


ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>

Not over my head at all . What I didn't understand was the comment "WCG has nothing to do with this series" in the context of ELO which clearly is affected by both series...

On August 19 2010 22:56 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
[quote]

ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
[quote]
That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.

It does. You'll have to look closer.


well, flash was 2372 before wcg v fantasy. and he was still 2372 after 2-0 fantasy. that to me is proof it doesn't count. what do you think?

You sure TLPD had been updated?


yup. but it'd be nice to have admins confirm it.


All games that show up in TLPD count towards ELO unless the league is in italics.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 19 2010 14:21 GMT
#1860
On August 19 2010 23:20 segfix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 23:11 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 23:09 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 23:06 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 23:01 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 okum wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:29 revy wrote:
[quote]

ELO always goes game by game. Flash infact managed to hurt his TvT ELO in the greatest possible way while still winning, win 4 straight (increases his ELO decreases Fanta's) then lose 2 in a row to finally win the last game.

That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

"win 4 straight ..."


The concept is going over your head. For Flash to lose the most possible elo from the MSL series itself, he had to raise it as high as possible before game 3, which includes 2-0ing in WCG and 2-0, 2-2, 3-2ing his MSL. His overall Elo would be lower if he went 2-1 in WCG (winning the first game, to be precise), but that wasn't my point. :>

Not over my head at all . What I didn't understand was the comment "WCG has nothing to do with this series" in the context of ELO which clearly is affected by both series...

On August 19 2010 22:56 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:52 Holgerius wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:48 kawatan wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 19 2010 22:30 moopie wrote:
[quote]
That's not true.
+ Show Spoiler +
Had he lost 1 game in WCG (win 2-1) on top of the 3-2 today, it would have been worse.


WCG has nothing to do with this series?

On August 19 2010 22:38 kawatan wrote:
[quote]

guy you quoted got it right. wcg games aren't factored in elo calculation just like allstars events.


Nope, WCG Counts. It's high profile enough to count, what with the enormous venue at the finals, money, etc.


no, it's not. you can ask admins about it if you don't believe me.

WCG itself doesn't count, but the Korean qualifiers do I think.


not even those. notice elo doesn't move despite win/loss in wcg.

It does. You'll have to look closer.


well, flash was 2372 before wcg v fantasy. and he was still 2372 after 2-0 fantasy. that to me is proof it doesn't count. what do you think?

You sure TLPD had been updated?


yup. but it'd be nice to have admins confirm it.


All games that show up in TLPD count towards ELO unless the league is in italics.

Ya, WCG counts as a ''Standard League'' in TLPD, so I don't see how it would not affect ELO.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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