EPT[OSL] Ro16 Day 3
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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meegrean
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + unless he 4/5 pools, of course | ||
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strontium
Canada40 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
The first prediction....idk....flash is a lil better but of course we talk about hyvaa here! | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
On April 07 2010 18:31 Kwanroller wrote: Even then, I don't think Hyvaa choosing to 4 pool will do anything since Flash probably expects it from someone as bad as him. well thats probably his best chance =x | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
True but Match Point is a two player map so Flash can't scout in the wrong direction. I really do feel sorry for Hyvaa. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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PeAcY6969
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anch
United States5457 Posts
Flahs please dont disappoint. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
to be honest, i think 2 hatch muta all-in or something like that has the best chance of beating flash since i remember a time when flash used to get raped by 2 hatch mutas 24/7. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On April 07 2010 18:36 Kwanroller wrote: Flash what a noob losing one game. OMG  Flash sucks | ||
GTR
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
On April 07 2010 18:36 Kwanroller wrote: Flash what a noob losing one game. I agree 100% | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
specially since hyvaa is 1-4 on it lol  its not their map | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i44.tinypic.com/10poq55.jpg) | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Flash @ 1 hyvaa @ 7 | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
2 port wraith? Mech? Whaaa? hyvaa going 3 Hatch | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
12 hatch for hyvaa | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
jk | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
On April 07 2010 18:41 Itachii wrote: SLUMPPPPP | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
On April 07 2010 18:41 Itachii wrote: what the hell flash, you disappoint me. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
hope hyvaa is ready for this cuz i wanna see a long match | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Good play by Flash! Wow a CC immediately after Factory? No vult even! | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
flash is so good sniping on ovie with vision from rax | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
he should gg to save us some time | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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StylishVODs
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash with 5 gols, and getting turrets... ??? Flash killing his own supply depot... Or not. Turrets going to finish JUST in time. Wow that was like perfect timing. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
thats why he is shooting his own supply | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
hyvaa trying to take top left, but is blocked by a mine... HYVAA RUNNING INTO GOLS! Loses one. +1 attack done for Flash. Another armory and a science facility going up for Flash... No tanks yet. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
lifted buildings over scvs are preventing mutalisk harass on scvs goliaths pushing out towards 6oclock hatchery at 6oclock goes down | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash tries to sneak a CC at the min only, but it gets spotted. hyvaa continuing to pin those goliaths down to 6. Really troubling... +1 missile done for hyvaa. First tanks rolling out for Flash. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
thats good | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
Flash has 3 base, Hyvaa still on 3 base. dont see flash losing this now | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Gets 2 Drones. Flash going to secure the mineral only. Flash can't seem to find a way to get those gols out. Vults running into top left. 2, 3 Drones down! Many turrets in Flash's main. More tanks for Flash now. Getting another CC to float to bottom right. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
goliaths still trapped at 6oclock due to hydralisks camping the choke vultures giving flash lots of map control vultures harass drones at top left but gets quickly cleaned up by sunken and mutalisks | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
nice move there | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
0/2 hydralisk upgrades hyvaa moves in with hydra/muta to take out goliaths at 6oclock flash expands to bottom right hyvaa sends hydra/muta to take out cc at bottom right mutalisks die to irradiate | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
HA burrow for hyvaa hiding his Drones! I love it. Flash poking out with his gols at 6... No luck. 3 Vessels out for Flash, floating CC to bottom right. OMG HYVAA pushing into bottom right to tyr and take down those gols! Succeeds, but losing quite a few Hydras/Mutas. Uh oh hyvaa moving to bottom right. No defense there for Flash.... Loses a Vessel, loses the CC! Loses all three vessels!!! Waaaaaa! OMG hyvaa burrowed half of his Hydra force at bottom right! Is this wise? | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
Flash was a little to greedy there | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
hyvaa taking both middle expos. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
Uh oh vulture raid but there are no drones there yet. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
HYDRAS MOVE INTO THE FOURTH, HYVAA USES IRRADIATE TO KILL ALL OF FLASH'S WORKERS WHO WERE STACKED | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Awesome trick there: Flash irradiated a mutalisk and hyvaa pulled it and then used it to eraser Flash's SCVs lol. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
An irradiate muta kills 6 scvs | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG IRRADIATED MUTA OVER SCVS! ALL SCVS GO DOWN! hyvaa dealing MAJOR damage with his Mutas! Holy shit this is some GOOD play from hyvaa!!! | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On April 07 2010 18:56 SkytoM wrote: flash soon 3/3. its over :[ It would be hard to push against 5-base hyvaa on a 3 base econ Hive starting | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
Flash shoula stuck with M&M | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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integral
United States3156 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash looking like he's in pretty big trouble! Flash can't get the economy to compete with hyvaa, he's getting overwhelmed on all fronts. Ah able to take down hyvaa's 12 with dropped tanks. But only one tank left for Flash to defend.. 2 now. Mutas to top right take down the tanks sniping the hat... MINES get a lot of hyvaa's Hydras pushing into Flash's mineral only! Ah hyvaa's Hatch at 12 goes down. 1-2 ups on the mutas. 2-1 ups on the Hydras. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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O-ops
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
BURROW! OMG MINE DAEBAK AT 6 GETS A LOT OF DRONES! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
Awwww....but he has mines | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
MINES IN MIN FIELD KILL SOME DRONES | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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StylishVODs
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
WILL THE CC GO DOWN???? THE CC GOES DOWN!!!! | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
funny | ||
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O-ops
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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StylishVODs
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O-ops
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Jackal03
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
Hyvaa has the 12 up again, Flash rebuilding bottom right | ||
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QM
Vietnam69 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
Build some defilers now. This still is not over it seems. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash with a vult raid at 6. 3-2 Vults.. hyvaa forgot about burrow for a while, losing SCVs unnecessarily... No scanners for Flash? Does he really need to save on that 200/200? | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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O-ops
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG FLASH GGS!!! WAAAAA HYVAA!!! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
hyvaa going in for a break, mutalisks moving in! Lots of hydralisks overwhelming the tank count. Flash GGs. Wow he looks upset with himself. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
GG From flash!! Amazing prediction! | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
Hyvaa takes him down | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
Also, mech sucks. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
just WOW | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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khersai
Poland366 Posts
why ? | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
wheres the bonjwa crap now? | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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trucane
United States553 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Matchpoint + flash is not a good combo:/ | ||
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
Holy shit. | ||
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Mo_oN
Germany82 Posts
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integral
United States3156 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
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Ozarugold
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
not really but w/e | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
SUCK IT FLASH | ||
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:04 Jackal03 wrote: flash gg's wheres the bonjwa crap now? Yeah he lost a game. Flash is so terrible. He must dislike Match Point though | ||
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thestool91
672 Posts
like before, i have this weird sense when i think flash is gonna lose, and most of the time its actually true now my friend owes me a 6 pack of Heineken beer | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
well no reavers in this game but whatever | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
If Flash can't win with mech, how can you? Practise bio plz. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
by the way, perfect prediction by OP! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
But so is Flash-he's laughing | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
Why Flash used Mech, I don't know. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
Well played Hyvaa! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Match Point is just too tricky for TvZ. Bio is difficult to play due to Mutas, but I could have sworn that Mech is even more difficult to play because there's no easy to take third gas??? | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote: way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
Hwasin hwaiting! | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Nice build hyvaa. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:05 snowdrift86 wrote: THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY AGAINST MECH ZERGS Yes, this is how you play against Mech on an un-Mechable map. The decision to go Mech confuses and annoys me :/ | ||
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
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Ryo
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
kwanro vs hyvaa = zvz flash vs kal = tvp master vs PvT Matchup.^^ | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:06 Lann555 wrote: And the 'bonwja' lost to one of the weakest players in the OSL. Flash...seriously..he is like twice as good as anyone else at starcraft, yet he is still can't seem to get his head together. There was ZERO reason to go mech in this game as his standard build would utterly destroy Hyvaa 98% of the time. Seems like his win-streak has gotten to his head again This is not the first time a "bonjwa" has lost to a player weaker than him. This is not the first time a dominant player lost to a player nowhere near his skill level. This happens all the time. No one wins 100% of the time. I'm sure Flash has a better understanding than ANY of us as to why mech would work on that map, do you really think you know better than the #1 Progamer in the world? | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:06 Mystlord wrote: A lot of Flash hate in this thread :X Match Point is just too tricky for TvZ. Bio is difficult to play due to Mutas, but I could have sworn that Mech is even more difficult to play because there's no easy to take third gas??? Seems like a poor map for mech in general due to the layout of the bases. Very easy to overextend yourself and get your mechball too stretched out | ||
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FearDarkness
United States519 Posts
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:08 fallingdream wrote: it's not about that flash lost a game "omfg flash sucks" but the way he chose to play is what made him lose. for the love of god why would you play mech and force your hand with stupid shi vs a shit zerg like that. just rape him with m&m ez. like I said, now I hope he gets eliminated. Remove your KT fan logo if you want Flash eliminated from the OSL. Flash is about as close to a home-grown KT star as you're gonna get. | ||
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Germany4727 Posts
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote: Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:06 Lann555 wrote: And the 'bonwja' lost to one of the weakest players in the OSL. Flash...seriously..he is like twice as good as anyone else at starcraft, yet he is still can't seem to get his head together. There was ZERO reason to go mech in this game as his standard build would utterly destroy Hyvaa 98% of the time. Seems like his win-streak has gotten to his head again This is idiotic. If Flash wins that game he's a genius for mixing it up even when he's dominating (as opposed to letting his style get stale), especially on a map where he's had trouble before. If he wins with mech on this map it gives future opponents more to think about when preparing and gives him a different option on a map that he's struggled with. You don't stay on top without mixing it up, but there's going to be a little collateral damage along the way. Once Flash rolls Kal next week (and let's not kid ourselves, we all know he will) and makes the next round, this will just be a distant memory (like his loss to Stork last OSL was). | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:08 FearDarkness wrote: His teammate is Upmagic and Really, so I don't think Hyvaa was prepared for bio since those guys are pretty terrible practice partners for bio. youre not fucking serious are you? | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote: go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. You aren't a KT fan, you're an angry kid. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:06 Lann555 wrote: And the 'bonwja' lost to one of the weakest players in the OSL. Flash...seriously..he is like twice as good as anyone else at starcraft, yet he is still can't seem to get his head together. There was ZERO reason to go mech in this game as his standard build would utterly destroy Hyvaa 98% of the time. Seems like his win-streak has gotten to his head again Flash is the most consistant progamer ever against non S-class gamers so I dont know where you're going with cant STILL get his head together? | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote: go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
great game by hyvaa | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote: go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. Calm the fuck down. It's not like he off-raced or something. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Go back and check the TLPD on Nada/Oov/Savior?? | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:08 NurseArial wrote: This is not the first time a "bonjwa" has lost to a player weaker than him. This is not the first time a dominant player lost to a player nowhere near his skill level. This happens all the time. No one wins 100% of the time. I'm sure Flash has a better understanding than ANY of us as to why mech would work on that map, do you really think you know better than the #1 Progamer in the world? Sure, the best players lose, but Flash basically fucked himself royally by going for a dumb strategy in an important match. And as far as Flash knowing better...he has a habit of going with really dumb strategies when he has been on a tear for a while. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
Reminds me of how Bisu lost to Shine on Eye of the Storm, just moving the entire army in the wrong area and direction lost the rest of the game for him. | ||
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zuqbu
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KristianJS
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On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote: go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. What is this? Flash loses one game, perhaps not playing it perfectly, and he deserves to get eliminated for like offending the game of Starcraft with his loss? Flash lost one match guys. Last OSL he also lost a couple of games, but guess what, all in all he still raped the whole tournament. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote: go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. hmm....rage..rage...rage...?!? | ||
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote: going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:08 Mystlord wrote: Yes, this is how you play against Mech on an un-Mechable map. The decision to go Mech confuses and annoys me :/ Flash doesn't like Match Point, and lately he's been experimenting with mech and midgame mech transitions. The next step in that thought process led to this game. Regardless of how bad the map is for mech, hyvaa played well. He didn't attack the mech ball head-on and instead expanded while denying Flash's third gas. He also shut down the vulture harassment very well. Often the Zerg outexpands the turtling Terran, then loses any advantage he had gained to harassment. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:13 Holgerius wrote: I can definitely see Flash losing to some stupid protoss gayness against Kal. If Flash gets eliminated too this OSL is the worst ever. or not, at least the fanboys will give us some rest | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
Well, he may not be that far from the truth. Really's tvz is <bad> NO WAY NEAR his tvp, and we all know what kind of player upmagic is (crazy builds - opposite of flash's solid more standard). | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote: I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? To mix up your game. To know how important it is, read up Bisu. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:11 Lann555 wrote: Sure, the best players lose, but Flash basically fucked himself royally by going for a dumb strategy in an important match. And as far as Flash knowing better...he has a habit of going with really dumb strategies when he has been on a tear for a while. He didn't go with a dumb strategy. The trapping of his Goliaths at 6 led to him not able to secure his third gas which put him at a significant disadvantage. It wasn't even a stupid tactic, hyvaa just reacted with great foresight. A better example of Flash losing "dumbly" is his game against HyuN on Match Point, not really this one. Flash is one of the most strategically sound Terrans out there, after all he rose to prominence foremost as an innovator of the game and not a multitasking machine. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote: going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg It is when your name is Flash. seriously Flash ALWAYS seems to straight-up fail when he tries either A) mech or B) imitating/perfecting Fantasy his bio game is impeccable, if it aint broke dont fix it. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:13 Jackal03 wrote: or not, at least the fanboys will give us some rest Kal is a huge choker. My prediction is that he will lose embarassingly. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:11 Lann555 wrote: Sure, the best players lose, but Flash basically fucked himself royally by going for a dumb strategy in an important match. And as far as Flash knowing better...he has a habit of going with really dumb strategies when he has been on a tear for a while. Yeah it's much smarter to keep playing the exact same strat over and over again until it runs out of gas and you've got nothing else left, right?? When you play a million games like Flash does and every move you make is analyzed to death, there's nothing wrong with trying something like this. This wasn't an elimination game, and it was against a weaker player so it had a good chance of working. Flash will win next week and advance. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote: I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? Have you seen the last like 3 TvZ's he played going mech? He utterly demolished his opponents, opponents I might add who are much better than hyvaa is at TvZ. | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote: I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? Could be he wants to show that he can vary his play a bit, though it doesn't really work when you lose haha. Or it could be like others said in that he dislikes match point and is trying something different for that map. Or he did it to personally piss you off. Oh well, was a good game either way, you know anyone who plays Flash is going to be playing extra hard. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:13 snowdrift86 wrote: Flash doesn't like Match Point, and lately he's been experimenting with mech and midgame mech transitions. The next step in that thought process led to this game. Regardless of how bad the map is for mech, hyvaa played well. The time for experimentation is in your preparation not during the actual match Then again, when you get a whole control group or more of Goliaths stuck and taken down........ | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:14 Chen wrote: It is when your name is Flash. seriously Flash ALWAYS seems to straight-up fail when he tries either A) mech or B) imitating/perfecting Fantasy his bio game is impeccable, if it aint broke dont fix it. You sound like all the misinformed people who kept saying Flash 14 CCs "all the time" when he hadn't done it once for like 8 months. "if it aint broke dont fix it" might apply to an elimination game, but this wasn't one. And it's not like Flash's TvZ M&M on Match Point wasn't "broke" ... it was easily his worst matchup/map combination and continues to be. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
 Hyvaa played really well. Kudos to him. Hwasin vs. Baby, don't know whom to support. Like both players. Both in really fine form. | ||
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:14 cascades wrote: To mix up your game. To know how important it is, read up Bisu. I can understand that, in fact a change is always welcomed. Flash changed his style so much it made everyone dizzy. Going from cheese to turtle to early aggression to standard and then mixing them, always a good thing to do no doubt, but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? I just cannot understand why would anyone chose to NOT learn from past mistakes and do something else. I | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:15 NurseArial wrote: Have you seen the last like 3 TvZ's he played going mech? He utterly demolished his opponents, opponents I might add who are much better than hyvaa is at TvZ. No they're not. Hyvaa is, strangely enough, extremely good against mech when he gets his shit together. Hyvaa is a pretty smart zerg but just has awful physicals compared to other players so often he just can't keep up. | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Boes is really good with predictions Hyvaa played really well. Kudos to him. Hwasin vs. Baby, don't know whom to support. Like both players. Both in really fine form. SUPPORT BABY!!! Right now I'm rewatching his game where he went mech versus HyuN on Match Point | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Boes is really good with predictions Hwasin vs. Baby, don't know whom to support. Like both players. Both in really fine form. yeah at least he predicts forgg is gonna win. thats good enough. lol | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote: Flash can easily get eliminated from the OSL, now he has to play against Kal. Yea, that's hard. But he's Flash - he does not choke under pressure. Oh man ... I hope Kal demolishes kwanro and then loses to flash so that flash and kal can advance. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:17 Mystlord wrote: The time for experimentation is in your preparation not during the actual match Showing the strat is a big part of it. This was probably the least important game Flash has coming up that'll be televised - he's not going to risk a PL loss because everyone cares about PL too much. This was his best opportunity to take a chance. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:17 Mystlord wrote: The time for experimentation is in your preparation not during the actual match Then again, when you get a whole control group or more of Goliaths stuck and taken down........ Goliath heavy mech isn't exactly an experimental build. It's hard to say whether or not Flash made a serious strategical error, which I doubt he may even be capable of, or rather it was the tactical misfortune of the Goliaths of 6 which made it impossible for him to secure the 4th base and thus the game. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 darktreb wrote: You sound like all the misinformed people who kept saying Flash 14 CCs "all the time" when he hadn't done it once for like 8 months. "if it aint broke dont fix it" might apply to an elimination game, but this wasn't one. And it's not like Flash's TvZ M&M on Match Point wasn't "broke" ... it was easily his worst matchup/map combination and continues to be. the memories of Flash tinkering with valkyries in an OSL and getting raped do not go away easily. besides, in OSL group stage with game vs Kal coming up, its also not a game he can afford to throw away | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote: I can understand that, in fact a change is always welcomed. Flash changed his style so much it made everyone dizzy. Going from cheese to turtle to early aggression to standard and then mixing them, always a good thing to do no doubt, but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? I just cannot understand why would anyone chose to NOT learn from past mistakes and do something else. I hmm... maybe because his bio play on this map is what made him uncomfortable? I dont know man. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 Kwanroller wrote: No they're not. Hyvaa is, strangely enough, extremely good against mech when he gets his shit together. Hyvaa is a pretty smart zerg but just has awful physicals compared to other players so often he just can't keep up. Kwanro and HyuN are both better zergs overall than hyvaa and are both decidedly better at ZvT than hyvaa. He played very well against mech, I'm not trashing hyvaa's performance. I'm merely countering the point that Flash "only has been winning with bio" recently because it simply isn't true. | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:20 NurseArial wrote: Kwanro and HyuN are both better zergs overall than hyvaa and are both decidedly better at ZvT than hyvaa. He played very well against mech, I'm not trashing hyvaa's performance. I'm merely countering the point that Flash "only has been winning with bio" recently because it simply isn't true. Yes he's been winning those games but they show how weak Flash is at mech. He nearly lost to Kwanro and his game against Hyun wasn't clean at all. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
BaBy @ bottom left in RedHwasin @ top left as Teal | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote: I can understand that, in fact a change is always welcomed. Flash changed his style so much it made everyone dizzy. Going from cheese to turtle to early aggression to standard and then mixing them, always a good thing to do no doubt, but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? I just cannot understand why would anyone chose to NOT learn from past mistakes and do something else. I He lost 50% of his TvZ's on Match Point where he went bio. One could argue that he learnt from those mistakes and chose to try something else. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote: but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? You answered your own question. Why would you choose to keep doing something that hasn't worked and you clearly don't feel comfortable with is a better question. | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:19 NurseArial wrote: Goliath heavy mech isn't exactly an experimental build. It's hard to say whether or not Flash made a serious strategical error, which I doubt he may even be capable of, or rather it was the tactical misfortune of the Goliaths of 6 which made it impossible for him to secure the 4th base and thus the game. In my experience Goliath builds generally involve timing attacks that kill the Zerg outright. So it was weird to see Flash massing them without moving out until after the muta phase. By then hyvaa had built up an already sizeable hydra army. | ||
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prosatan
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But Hwasin.....idk | ||
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darktreb
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On April 07 2010 19:22 snowdrift86 wrote: In my experience Goliath builds generally involve timing attacks to kill the Zerg outright. So it was weird to see Flash massing them without moving out until after the muta phase. Not really. Timing attacks are an option with Goliath builds but so is splitting the map and building a giant unkillable mech army (Terran specialty). Hyvaa's brilliant play that game was leaving his Hydras outside of 6, so that Flash's Goliaths couldn't go anywhere, but if Flash tried to move out or take his 4th the Hydras would be in position to immediately respond. Consequently Hyvaa was essentially ahead 25 food or so for a long period of time, because his Hydras were in play but Flash's Goliaths were not. | ||
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cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:23 prosatan wrote: Baby has good practice partners: Mind,Midas,Nada But Hwasin.....idk Bogus is supposed to be a beast in practice but oh well it's all about dat BaBy | ||
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prosatan
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Mystlord
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On April 07 2010 19:19 NurseArial wrote: Goliath heavy mech isn't exactly an experimental build. It's hard to say whether or not Flash made a serious strategical error, which I doubt he may even be capable of, or rather it was the tactical misfortune of the Goliaths of 6 which made it impossible for him to secure the 4th base and thus the game. Probably a combination of both the Goliath fail and the relative suckiness of mech on that map in the first place. You just have too big of an area to cover with it. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
but at least he survived with his 14cc | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
very nice timing from baby, pulling his tanks out just as hwasin pushes him Baby very far ahead, his expo was up before Hwasin's despite the 14 CC lol Hwasin adds another CC to take 12 | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Baby's expansion was ahead though, and his gas is going to go up faster as well, so Baby might be getting the better of the exchange... Hwasin building another CC to take 12. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:25 Chen wrote: hwasin shoulda just lifted his CC to the 12 and started doing something with it there lol. now he's insanely behind Yeah because there was any chance in the world Baby wouldn't have noticed the CC floating over there with, oh, I don't know, the Barracks he had floating over Hwasin's ramp? | ||
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:21 darktreb wrote: You answered your own question. Why would you choose to keep doing something that hasn't worked and you clearly don't feel comfortable with is a better question. If we take each of his bio losses on this map we can see that he didn't lost due to the things he is good at. As far as I remember he played vs some MBC? zerg, can't remember correctly and he lost due to poor building placement ( this was the game that ended his vs Z win streak ), he played vs zero? I belive and lost due to a scv blocking his turret building ( bad luck and not paying attention ) and then he lost to JD also when JD just had a better build order. He never lost to micro mistakes, he never lost because his m&m was weak and he didn't lose because his late game was shit on this map. It's all of course my opinion, but that's how I see things. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
speedvults of baby setting some mines | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Baby with vults moving around the map, gets caught by Hwasin's forces. Vults get taken out, but not before scouting 12 and taking out quite a few SCVs... Dropship for Baby... FLIES RIGHT OVER HWASIN'S SCV! | ||
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darktreb
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On April 07 2010 19:29 fallingdream wrote: If we take each of his bio losses on this map we can see that he didn't lost due to the things he is good at. As far as I remember he played vs some MBC? zerg, can't remember correctly and he lost due to poor building placement ( this was the game that ended his vs Z win streak ), he played vs zero? I belive and lost due to a scv blocking his turret building ( bad luck and not paying attention ) and then he lost to JD also when JD just had a better build order. He never lost to micro mistakes, he never lost because his m&m was weak and he didn't lose because his late game was shit on this map. It's all of course my opinion, but that's how I see things. Three different "bad luck" things don't just happen to happen on the same map in the same matchup unless your rhythm and/or game sense is off to some degree for that particular situation. To say that Flash should obviously "stick with what works" on a map that he was previously 3-3 on is pretty off. | ||
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Chen
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Baby raping Hwasin's econ tho | ||
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Mystlord
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OMG BABY AND HWASIN BOTH MOVING TO 6!!! TANKS SIEGE UP... What just outside of each other's range? CC at 6 canceled, but baby with troops everywhere harassing Hwasin's econ! Finally Hwasin able to clean up Baby's forces, but that was a lot of economy disruption.. And Baby doing it AGAIN! Ah Hwasin's ready for it this time though. Baby with 2 dropships! God damn it Hwasin get a Wraith for God's sake! These dropships are driving Hwasin's SCVs crazy! OMG BUT BABY WITH A MAJOR BLUNDER AS HIS TANKS GET PWNT BY MINES! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
but mines take out 3 of his tanks | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote: go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. Aha, no fan wishes that the player they cheer for will get eliminated, so yeah based of that i know about how much of a fan you are Why do you think mech is that bad, mabey you havent seen the last few times flash has gone mech eh? | ||
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Chen
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Hwasin with the far superior army though, might be able to push and break right now | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Starcraft is fun and all but yea......dont take it so serious. | ||
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Romania452 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:31 darktreb wrote: Three different "bad luck" things don't just happen to happen on the same map in the same matchup unless your rhythm and/or game sense is off to some degree for that particular situation. To say that Flash should obviously "stick with what works" on a map that he was previously 3-3 on is pretty off. I'm sorry but I didn't say that all of his losses were bad luck, where did I say that? I just said that imo it was bad luck in his game vs zero and that's it. his game vs hyun he had terrible building placement and his game vs jd, jd had the better build order, props to him. that is why I don't get it why he ignored all his mistakes, instead of learning from them, and chose to go weird shit mech build with no timing attack whatsoever. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
BABY IS SO GOOD | ||
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prosatan
Romania8055 Posts
HUGE DROP IN HWASINS MAIN but only one tank is alive :D | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Baby devoted TOO MANY units to harass and doesn't have enough units to fend off Hwasin's big push! Baby with 2 tanks and 3 vults at 12, but it won't be enough. 2 Wraiths for Baby sniping Tanks at Baby's front... A gol out for Hwasin... No scan????????? Ahh scan. Takes out one wraith... Baby continuing to harass, Hwasin still trying valiantly to defend. Baby takes 9. Not sure who's ahead at this point.... | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:36 meegrean wrote: tornado baby. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
squadered all of those | ||
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Austria7781 Posts
On April 07 2010 19:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: Never go mech, Flash. Told you. Flash should just stick to standard bio with a few cheeses once in a while. | ||
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this should be good | ||
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Ahhh TONS of SCVs going down at the natural! Meanwhile Baby pushing in with 5 tanks or so... But are caught by 2 wraiths... But Baby is incoming with is wraiths! Ahhhh catches Hwasin's wraiths off guard and gets both of them! Hwasin is really down to a small number of SCVs. Baby taking 6 again. | ||
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prosatan
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On April 07 2010 19:36 SuperArc wrote: Told you. Flash should just stick to standard bio with a few cheeses once in a while. it's over mate get over it | ||
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Tanks right above Hwasin's nat. Hwasin takes it out, but he's still losing SCVs like mad. Wow I'm getting entranced by Hwasin's FPView. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:35 fallingdream wrote: I'm sorry but I didn't say that all of his losses were bad luck, where did I say that? I just said that imo it was bad luck in his game vs zero and that's it. his game vs hyun he had terrible building placement and his game vs jd, jd had the better build order, props to him. that is why I don't get it why he ignored all his mistakes, instead of learning from them, and chose to go weird shit mech build with no timing attack whatsoever. So what if he did go mech, how do you know that if he went mnm that he would have beaten hyvaa? based of his record and how hes played each of those games, if going mech gives him the best chance of winning then wheres the problem in that? | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:44 KristianJS wrote: Commentators saying Baby could nuke HWasin if he wanted, but probably won't because Hwasin is older. haha | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:41 Scaramanga wrote: So what if he did go mech, how do you know that if he went mnm that he would have beaten hyvaa? based of his record and how hes played each of those games, if going mech gives him the best chance of winning then wheres the problem in that? how do you know that going mech gives him the best chance of winning? clearly it's not. as for his last games where he went mech and won, show me the game where he played mech on match point and won, on the other hand I can show you the games where he went bio on match point and won. all I'm saying is, don't run or ignore your mistakes, learn from them, that's the only way he can become stronger. | ||
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the tornado baby won! | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:43 prosatan wrote: Baby played amazing!! But Hwasin has beautiful lips LOL Agree that Baby played amazingly well. Even from the start it was easy to tell that Hwasin was nervous from the constant and effective harassment from baby. Great show of mechanics from Baby, really efficient use of the units he had at his disposal. Hwasin...build turrets. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:45 fallingdream wrote: how do you know that going mech gives him the best chance of winning? clearly it's not. as for his last games where he went mech and won, show me the game where he played mech on match point and won, on the other hand I can show you the games where he went bio on match point and won. I can also show you equal ammount of games where flash has lost going bio Mech is what flash thought would give him the best chance of winning, if it wasnt why did he chose to do mech? It's not like he was in the booth and just decided that "hey it'd be fun to go mech tonight" all I'm saying is, don't run or ignore your mistakes, learn from them, that's the only way he can become stronger. How do you know that in his train of thought going bio was the mistake in the first place? | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:44 KristianJS wrote: Commentators saying Baby could nuke HWasin if he wanted, but probably won't because Hwasin is older. So basically Baby won't be doing nukes for quite some time. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:04 trucane wrote: Seriously... Can someone tell me why flash went mech? seems like he would have won easily over someone like hyvaa with bio Flash lost to hyun with a bio build on Match Point I think so maybe not so easily.. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:53 Kenpachi wrote: many people are going to leave once Calm vs ZerO is done lol. No dude, the chicks LOVE Forgg. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:51 tomatriedes wrote: Flash lost to hyun with a bio build on Match Point I think so maybe not so easily.. Flash lost to Hyun cuz his turret placement was awful and hyuns mutas inflicted him a lot of damage! Even with his bad start, Flash was in the game, and hyun barely take him out | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:51 xxxxxxb wrote: So basically Baby won't be doing nukes for quite some time. Lol! Deserves credit. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:48 Scaramanga wrote: I can also show you equal ammount of games where flash has lost going bio Mech is what flash thought would give him the best chance of winning, if it wasnt why did he chose to do mech? It's not like he was in the booth and just decided that "hey it'd be fun to go mech tonight" yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen. | ||
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Actually I just finished rewatching Baby vs Hyun on match point because that's when I first discovered his awesomeness and he did nuke the base that you can nuke safely from your main. | ||
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Looks like July and By.Hero have a big influence! | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:54 prosatan wrote: Flash lost to Hyun cuz his turret placement was awful and hyuns mutas inflicted him a lot of damage! Even with his bad start, Flash was in the game, and hyun barely take him out The point is he lost- so there was nothing wrong with trying a mech build instead. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:56 cabarkapa wrote: Actually I just finished rewatching Baby vs Hyun on match point because that's when I first discovered his awesomeness and he did nuke the base that you can nuke safely from your main. Well, there's a difference between nuking because you're so ahead and nuking because it will give an advantage. | ||
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Awww, you mad because he crushed your beloved Effort? | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:58 motbob wrote: Well, there's a difference between nuking because you're so ahead and nuking because it will give an advantage. Definitely applies according to this game I was just ruining that guys joke because that was an awesome game people should see. | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:55 fallingdream wrote: yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen. You're saying he should just keep bashing his head against the wall instead of trying to find a way around that wall. I doubt he would have used this build if bio was clearly superior on this map | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:56 prosatan wrote: Baby has 360 apm! OMG Looks like July and By.Hero have a big influence! You mean Nada? | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:00 Ikonn wrote: You're saying he should just keep bashing his head against the wall instead of trying to find a way around that wall. I doubt he would have used this build if bio was clearly superior on this map Is the part where I wrote, LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES invisible or? | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:03 fallingdream wrote: Is the part where I wrote, LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES invisible or? Maybe he considered going bio to be his mistake? | ||
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On April 07 2010 19:55 fallingdream wrote: yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen. Well i can safely say that if you think you've got a better chance going mech than bio its pretty obvious that your going to go mech, hence flash must have thought he would have a better chance as he went mech not bio You're also assuming that flash decided to do this to cover up some weakness of his, when in his previous games the factors that lead to his loss could easily be overcome, how don't you know that he and the coaches decided that going mech to change it up a little was the best choice? | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:00 boesthius wrote: eh was game2 recommended? it started out pretty awesome and then slowed down hardcore because hwasin is stubborn :< I thought it was a pretty sick game that was worth watching. IMO it is worth recommending. By the way, you can see the future. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:06 Scaramanga wrote: Well i can safely say that if you think you've got a better chance going mech than bio its pretty obvious that your going to go mech, hence flash must have thought he would have a better chance as he went mech not bio You're also assuming that flash decided to do this to cover up some weakness of his, when in his previous games the factors that lead to his loss could easily be overcome, how don't you know that he and the coaches decided that going mech to change it up a little was the best choice? Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write. Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them. | ||
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Shoulda gone bio, its wat the cool kids do | ||
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Zero is 2-0 so far in this group and has good chances of qualifying, especially since the last member of the group is his easiest match. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:18 tenacity wrote: is flash going to play again today? No but he will play tomorrow night in MSL, and that's at least 2 games from him | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:14 fallingdream wrote: Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write. Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them. Match Point is like Blue Storm. If you have good mutalisk micro, you can sometimes kill bio terran with pure mutalisks. Flash thought mech would give him a better method of dealing with mutalisks and it kind of did but he got his goliaths trapped. That one critical mistake and Flash was basically down 30 supply. I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about this loss. Other people have made mech work pretty well on Match Point so Flash probably thought that he might give it a go and who are we to judge the best terran in the world? I think if he wasn't so eager with killing off 12 o'clock, he would have been struggling at bit but overall fine. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:22 Malinor wrote: I don't know about the mech vs Bio debate here. I feel Flashs biggest mistake was to let his Goliath-force be trapped at 6 o'clock. He did not need to send all of them all the way down 2-3 could have taken out the hatchery while the overs would watch the entry with the help of sume Vultures 2-3 would have been easily picked off by mutas and hydras. when going mech, you must keep your forces together or risk losing them all. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:26 meegrean wrote: 2-3 would have been easily picked off my mutas and hydras. when going mech, you must keep your forces together or risk losing them all. Well, he lost them all. And ouf course, if the entry is guarded (by the rest of the Goliaths), no Hydra makes it through. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote: go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more. Dislike Forgg? How is that possible? | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote: go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more. go.go obv | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote: go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more. how can you dislike the roflcopter pilot go.go? | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:32 Jackal03 wrote: how can you dislike the roflcopter pilot go.go? because he beat bisu twice and threw him out of the OSL. thats why. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:14 fallingdream wrote: Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write. Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them. Yeah thats great, you think that he should have gone bio and thats fine but im saying flash is going to have a better idea of what to do than you 100x over so you have no right to say that he deserves to be eliminated based of that | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:33 SkytoM wrote: because he beat bisu twice and threw him out of the OSL. thats why. Bisu is obviously too much of a scrub to beat the Creator of Command Centers. Forgg (red) going two port wraiths. Go.go (yellow) going two fact with proxy starport. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:36 Kwanroller wrote: Bisu is obviously too much of a scrub to beat the Creator of Command Centers. Forgg (red) going two port wraiths. Go.go (yellow) going two fact with proxy starport. seeeeee how bad this guy is. makes me wanna cry | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:43 SkytoM wrote: seeeeee how bad this guy is. makes me wanna cry You should cry that your hero Kim Taek Yong can't even beat the Creator of Command Centers. | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:20 Kwanroller wrote: Match Point is like Blue Storm. If you have good mutalisk micro, you can sometimes kill bio terran with pure mutalisks. Flash thought mech would give him a better method of dealing with mutalisks and it kind of did but he got his goliaths trapped. That one critical mistake and Flash was basically down 30 supply. I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about this loss. Other people have made mech work pretty well on Match Point so Flash probably thought that he might give it a go and who are we to judge the best terran in the world? I think if he wasn't so eager with killing off 12 o'clock, he would have been struggling at bit but overall fine. Yea. Let's look at how Flash lost his 3 games: 1. Vs Hyun...skimped turrets, got raped by mutas, almost made a comeback 2. Vs Zero..zero abuses the natural layout and owned Flash with mutas 3. Vs Jaedong..Flash doesn't build turrets in main | ||
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On April 07 2010 20:45 Holgerius wrote: Yay, FOrgg! I think Forgg will take Flash's place as the best player in the world pretty soon. It's a feeling I have. Sorry, best player in the world is reserved for BaBy after he wins the MSL/OSL. | ||
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On April 07 2010 21:40 ilbh wrote: todays games just confirm that MBC should have sent hyun in the WL finals instead of a toss who never played a televised match No it doesn't what the hell are you talking about. | ||
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On April 07 2010 22:31 On_Slaught wrote: For the love of god, don't blame that map for Flash's loss. If you saw the game you saw that he had every chance to win and was outplayed. He didn't HAVE to go mech either. Why are people seriously freaking out over his choice in going mech? Flash doesn't do valkyrie builds as well as Fantasy but his mech is definitely fine. He was actually playing completely fine until he did that critical mistake that cost him the game. People should be annoyed at the fact he spent the whole game without a single scanner not in his choice in builds. That said, Waxangel's profile of Hyvaa is completely true here. He's not a very good player, was kind of sloppy a lot of the time, but it was obvious he knew what he needed to do get a 100% chance of winning. | ||
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That's all I can say... Just kidding! What's interesting is that Hyvaa's win over Flash puts him at 105-105 for 50%! Talk about your breakthrough match. Also he probably gained a ton of ELO points for that. | ||
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dammit I went to sleep predicting an ez-win for Flash and hoped for Hwasin... just to wake up to both of them losing?! Why does Flash have such a crappy record on Match point?? Don't the other terrans have a good record on it vZ? | ||
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On April 08 2010 01:27 Wings wrote: shit Flash's ELO just took a NOSE DIVE... but he's still over 2400. lol. dammit I went to sleep predicting an ez-win for Flash and hoped for Hwasin... just to wake up to both of them losing?! Why does Flash have such a crappy record on Match point?? Don't the other terrans have a good record on it vZ? Flash doesn't like to build turrets on Match Point. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On April 08 2010 04:42 anch wrote: He had numerous of practice of TvZ in the span of time preparing for top form Jaedong. He goes bio on MSL and PL match, no reason to use mech unless he is totally practiced up for it. Considering he's had almost a week to prepare, it's a safe bet he practiced this build... | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On April 08 2010 04:56 Gao Xi wrote: Still can't believe Flash lost to hyvaa of all people O_O What a sad day + Show Spoiler + Hyvaa is cool | ||
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ryuu_
United States1266 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:57 ryuu_ wrote: Hyvaa played incredibly well vs... well, the monster that is Flash. He's nearly invincible, but with lots of preparation even he can lose. :/ Flash did well despite that, and he'll probably go on to rape the rest of his opponents anyways. Calm lost.. but at least it was to ZerO who is pretty darn good. I thought he would lose that game against roro that was intense | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On April 08 2010 04:56 Gao Xi wrote: Still can't believe Flash lost to hyvaa of all people O_O Hey, Flash isn't perfect. :p | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
He lost against Nal_ra too. SLUMP!!!!!!! | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On April 08 2010 07:31 boesthius wrote: hahaha looks like i should be making predictions from now on, eh? was the clam/zero game any good - should i put it in recommended games? i fell asleep .-. not really. zero just straight up raped. | ||
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Ryusei-R1
United States2106 Posts
WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN TO MY GUT | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
People complaining about Flash going mech are true fans though, don't suggest they aren't. So fucking blinded that they will grasp at straws (especially big juicy ones like the ever hated TvZ mech) to explain how he could lose to someone who didn't play so good the last 6 months. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
And wtf Flash lost...in a TvZ nonetheless. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
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Gtks
Greece135 Posts
hayva did also used his air force for defending his comand centers really well also used one iradicated bird and killed all flash scvs and stoped flash to build a command center that move won the game for him. just It was a bad bay from flash nothing else. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
No ... wait ... it doesn't. Flash can still be Bonjwa. Go look at sAviOr's win rate at the time he was "Winning everything." It is not as good as Flash's is today. That, and Flash's loss is mainly attributed to his goliaths getting caught in a bad spot. I don't know if hyvaa had planned that, but in any case, a move like that won't win you games consistently. That is not to say hyvaa played a cheesy game. His strategy worked well - but again - it won't make him win games with consistency, and it won't make Flash lose consistently. It's not a reality check for Flash because, in SC you cannot expect everything and plan for everything, and as such, sometimes you have to throw a game away because of bad luck, because the opponent went with something unorthodox and just happened to find you in a bad spot. | ||
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
thought flash had it at first | ||
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Gtks
Greece135 Posts
I like the way Flash is playing even when he loose. He did a move noone expected he send goliths alone and fast they trupped just becouse they hade to come out from a small port and 1 of them could be a target for 3 or 4 hydralist. how come Terran they don't use Ghost? The weekest spot of zerg is to detected them when they are invisible 12 Ghots can make damage ot 120 they can take out 1 Overlord with 2 hits only. I mean 12 Ghost and 12 Wraiths can creat a real nightmare to Zerg. A large number of overlords will needed to take them out and the wraiths can easily take them out. Finaly the goliaths and the tanks can play the cheese. Flash it seemed to me he din't hade the mood. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On April 09 2010 09:02 Gtks wrote: i dont belive god exists there is no religion that speacks the truth. I like the way Flash is playing even when he loose. He did a move noone expected he send goliths alone and fast they trupped just becouse they hade to come out from a small port and 1 of them could be a target for 3 or 4 hydralist. how come Terran they don't use Ghost? The weekest spot of zerg is to detected them when they are invisible 12 Ghots can make damage ot 120 they can take out 1 Overlord with 2 hits only. I mean 12 Ghost and 12 Wraiths can creat a real nightmare to Zerg. A large number of overlords will needed to take them out and the wraiths can easily take them out. Finaly the goliaths and the tanks can play the cheese. Flash it seemed to me he din't hade the mood. haha wow | ||
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Gtks
Greece135 Posts
I mean flash can do it and the more wise desission can zerg take is let the base to destoryed couse will loose a large number of overlords and with it the capabillity to make more units even if he has the minerals... go on flash eat them up ehhehehehehehehehe | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Gtks
Greece135 Posts
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Gtks
Greece135 Posts
Anyway for the game play only sending goliaths in there was a good move to capture hold that place flash did stadie the map before the game. Hayvaa din't try to get it back couse he know he can't the bottle neck door for the attacers is aways a problem he deployed a number of hydralists in there just to stop the large number o scv's that usually flash send and set a small trup after the attac to flash in a base that know he will expand Hayva also came well read about this game in other posts i has giving ideas to the protoss to broke down Flash defence but i knew they may not have the capability to use what i was writing i know Flash can build anything and to adapt to every kind of playing and this is what really make him special. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On April 09 2010 04:51 Qwertify wrote: It makes me wonder if God can bleed. No ... wait ... it doesn't. Flash can still be Bonjwa. Go look at sAviOr's win rate at the time he was "Winning everything." It is not as good as Flash's is today. That, and Flash's loss is mainly attributed to his goliaths getting caught in a bad spot. I don't know if hyvaa had planned that, but in any case, a move like that won't win you games consistently. That is not to say hyvaa played a cheesy game. His strategy worked well - but again - it won't make him win games with consistency, and it won't make Flash lose consistently. It's not a reality check for Flash because, in SC you cannot expect everything and plan for everything, and as such, sometimes you have to throw a game away because of bad luck, because the opponent went with something unorthodox and just happened to find you in a bad spot. "his goliaths being caught in a bad spot" ....... what else was going to happen? Mech isn't super mobile like bio. You can't just go running around with groups of goliaths killing expansions. Hyvaa didn't need to "plan" anything there and that wasn't his one-time unorthodox strategy or whatever you are calling it. He played how you are supposed to against mech. No stupid crap like making ultras and suiciding them everywhere Kwanro-style. | ||
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