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[R&S] Hana Daetoo Securities MSL - Page 10

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Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
May 27 2010 19:38 GMT
#181
On May 28 2010 04:07 motbob wrote:
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On May 28 2010 03:34 Ideas wrote:
On May 28 2010 00:09 motbob wrote:
I'm not changing this thread, but I won't completely remove their names in the next R&S thread. I'll cross them out or something.


quit being a 12 year old and put em back. I don't care if you scratch em out now or un-TLPD them or something but you're just being juvenile.


There is not much difference between crossing out a name permanently and eliminating it temporarily. Both are symbolic gestures.

It would be nice if you did not insult me again. Further up this page, you asked me to make progaming history available for future readers. I made that concession by promising to put the names back in in future threads.


I support putting their names in red+crossing them out of future posts.
the after-talk was right where in all of the hall-of-fame style places they should still BE there, just with a red X through them and a statement about what they did, disgracing them.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 27 2010 19:45 GMT
#182
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 27 2010 19:50 GMT
#183
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
May 27 2010 20:03 GMT
#184
I just wanna say it's really unfair for not writing savior's name on the history wins. He won by talent and skill back then and the fact that he damaged the image of korean progamming doesn't have anything to do with it.

Your basicly offending all the players that got defeated by him in those msl's and CJ team.

I didn't like what savior did but you can't wipe history, it would only make things worse.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 08:14:30
May 27 2010 20:03 GMT
#185
Saving this for future reference

If you wanna see non censored version of OP then click spoiler. Includes names that are missing (????? names added)

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HANA BANK MSL RESULTS AND STANDINGS


The History

KPGA 1st Tour (2/14/02 - 4/14/02) - (T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw
Reebok KPGA 2nd Tour (4/18/02 - 6/22/02) - (T)NaDa > (Z)YellOw
Pepsi Twist KPGA 3rd Tour (7/4/02 - 10/5/02) - (T)NaDa > (P)Reach
Baskin Robbins KPGA 4th Tour (10/25/02 - 1/18/03) - (T)NaDa > (Z)ChoJJa
Stout MSL (4/17/03 - 7/19/03) - (P)Nal_rA > (T)NaDa (Teamliquid Article)
TriGem MSL (9/4/03 - 11/6/03) - (T)iloveoov > (Z)YellOw (Teamliquid Article)
HanaFOS CENGAME MSL (1/8/04 - 4/18/04) - (T)iloveoov > (T)NaDa (Teamliquid Article)
SPRIS MSL (5/20/04 - 8/29/04) - (T)iloveoov > (P)Kingdom (Teamliquid Article)
You Are the Golf King MSL (9/30/04 - 2/6/05) - (Z)GoRush > (T)NaDa (Teamliquid Article)
UZOO MSL (4/21/05 - 8/6/05) - (Z)sAviOr > (P)Reach (Teamliquid Article)
LG CYON MSL (10/6/05 - 1/14/06) - (Z)ChoJJa > (Z)sAviOr (Teamliquid Article)
Pringles 1 MSL (4/6/06 - 7/16/06) - (Z)sAviOr > (P)Nal_rA (Teamliquid Article)
Pringles 2 MSL (8/17/06 - 11/11/06) - (Z)sAviOr > (Z)Silver (Teamliquid Article)
GomTV MSL (11/30/06 - 3/3/07) - (P)Bisu > (Z)sAviOr (Teamliquid Article)
GomTV2 MSL (5/3/07 - 7/14/07) - (P)Bisu > (P)Stork (Teamliquid Article)
GomTV3 MSL (9/13/07 - 11/17/07) - (T)Mind > (P)Bisu (Teamliquid Article)
GomTV4 MSL (1/3/08 - 3/8/08) - (Z)Jaedong > (P)Kal (Teamliquid Article)
Arena MSL (5/1/08 - 7/26/08) - (T)fOrGG > (Z)Jaedong (Teamliquid Article)
ClubDay Online MSL (9/18/08 - 11/16/08) - (P)Bisu > (P)JangBi (Teamliquid Article)
Lost Saga MSL (1/15/09 - 3/20/09) - (Z)Luxury > (P)JangBi (Teamliquid Article)
Avalon MSL (7/11/09 - 8/30/09) - (Z)Calm > (Z)Kwanro (Teamliquid Article)
Nate MSL (11/26/09 - 1/23/10) - (Z)Jaedong > (T)Flash (Teamliquid Article)


The Players

Terran - The Pride of War (10)
#2 Seed (T)Flash - 이영호 - Lee Yung Ho
#6 Seed (T)Hwasin - 진영수 - Jin Yung Soo
#7 Seed (T)Light - 이재호 - Lee Jae Ho

(T)Sea - 염보성 - Yum Bo Sung
(T)Midas - 전상욱 - Jun Sang Wook
(T)BaBy - 전태양 - Jun Tae Yang
(T)MVP - 정종현 - Jeong Jong Hyeon
(T)fantasy - 정명훈 - Jung Myung Hoon
(T)Mind - 박성균 - Park Sung Gyoon
(T)HiyA - 구성훈 - Ku Sung Hoon

Zerg – Overcome All (12)
#1 Seed (Z)Jaedong - 이제동 - Lee Je Dong
#3 Seed (Z)Kwanro - 한상봉 - Han Sang Bong

(Z)ZerO - 김명운 - Kim Myung Woon
(Z)Hyuk - 박재혁 - Park Jae Hyuk
(Z)FireFist - 김재춘 - Kim Jae Choon
(Z)July - 박성준 - Park Sung Joon
(Z)Calm - 김윤환 - Kim Yoon Hwan
(Z)great - 차명환 - Cha Myung Hwan
(Z)Hydra - 신동원 - Shin Dong Won
(Z)Action - 김성대 - Kim Seong Dae
(Z)Yellow[ArnC - 박명수 - Park Myung Soo
(Z)HyuN - 고석현 - Ko Seok Hyun

Protoss – Victory After Victory (10)
#4 Seed (P)Kal - 김구현 - Kim Ku Hyun
#5 Seed (P)BeSt - 도재욱 - Doh Jae Wook
#8 Seed (P)Stats - 김대엽 - Kim Dae Yeob

(P)Bisu - 김택용 - Kim Taek Yong
(P)JangBi - 허영무 - Hu Yung Moo
(P)Movie - 진영화 - Jin Young Hwa
(P)Stork - 송병구 - Song Byung Goo
(P)Pure - 박세정 - Park Sae Jung
(P)Shuttle - 김윤중 - Kim Yoon Joong
(P)free[gm] - 윤용태 - Yoon Yong Tae

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Terran - The Pride of War
#2 Seed (T)Flash - 이영호 - Lee Yung Ho
#6 Seed (T)Hwasin - 진영수 - Jin Yung Soo
#7 Seed (T)Light - 이재호 - Lee Jae Ho
(T)Sea - 염보성 - Yum Bo Sung
(T)Midas - 전상욱 - Jun Sang Wook
(T)BaBy - 전태양 - Jun Tae Yang
(T)MVP - 정종현 - Jeong Jong Hyeon
(T)fantasy - 정명훈 - Jung Myung Hoon
(T)Mind - 박성균 - Park Sung Gyoon
(T)HiyA - 구성훈 - Ku Sung Hoon

Zerg – Overcome All
#1 Seed (Z)Jaedong - 이제동 - Lee Je Dong
#3 Seed (Z)Kwanro - 한상봉 - Han Sang Bong
(Z)ZerO - 김명운 - Kim Myung Woon
(Z)Hyuk - 박재혁 - Park Jae Hyuk
(Z)FireFist - 김재춘 - Kim Jae Choon
(Z)July - 박성준 - Park Sung Joon
(Z)Calm - 김윤환 - Kim Yoon Hwan
(Z)great - 차명환 - Cha Myung Hwan
(Z)Hydra - 신동원 - Shin Dong Won
(Z)Action - 김성대 - Kim Seong Dae
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 박명수 - Park Myung Soo
(Z)HyuN - 고석현 - Ko Seok Hyun

Protoss – Victory After Victory
#4 Seed (P)Kal - 김구현 - Kim Ku Hyun
#5 Seed (P)BeSt - 도재욱 - Doh Jae Wook
#8 Seed (P)Stats - 김대엽 - Kim Dae Yeob
(P)Bisu - 김택용 - Kim Taek Yong
(P)JangBi - 허영무 - Hu Yung Moo
(P)Movie - 진영화 - Jin Young Hwa
(P)Stork - 송병구 - Song Byung Goo
(P)Pure - 박세정 - Park Sae Jung
(P)Shuttle - 김윤중 - Kim Yoon Joong
(P)free[gm] - 윤용태 - Yoon Yong Tae

Team Distribution:

STX SouL (5): (T)Hwasin, (Z)July, (Z)Calm, (P)Kal, (P)Shuttle
SK Telecom T1 (4): (T)fantasy, (Z)Hyuk, (P)BeSt, (P)Bisu
Woongjin Stars (4): (T)MVP, (Z)Kwanro, (Z)ZerO, (P)free[gm]
WeMade FOX (4): (T)Midas, (T)Mind, (T)BaBy, (P)Pure
KT Rolster (3): (T)Flash, (Z)FireFist, (P)Stats
MBCGame HERO (3): (T)Light, (T)Sea, (Z)HyuN
Samsung KHAN (3): (Z)great, (P)JangBi, (P)Stork
CJ Entus (2): (Z)Hydra, (P)Movie
Hwaseung OZ (2): (T)HiyA, (Z)Jaedong
eSTRO (1): (Z)Action
hite SPARKYZ (1): (Z)Yellow[ArnC]
Air Force ACE (0):

How they got this far:
2010 MBC Survivor Tournament S1 (by heyoka)

The Maps

Match Point
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Odd-Eye 2
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Fighting Spirit
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Triathlon
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The News

Survivor Recap and Ro32 Preview
Ro32 Recap and Ro16 Preview
Ro16 Recap and Ro8 Preview
Ro8 Recap and Ro4 Preview


The Live Reports

Ro32 Group A
Ro32 Group F
Ro32 Group D
Ro32 Group E
Ro32 Group C
Ro32 Group G
Ro32 Group B
Ro32 Group H
Ro16 Day 1
Ro16 Day 2
Ro16 Day 3
Ro16 Day 4
Ro8 Day 1
Ro8 Day 2
Ro8 Day 3
Semifinal A
Semifinal B


The Group Selection

Group Selection Discussion Thread


Results and Standings for the Round of 32

Once again we return to a group stage for the round of thirty-two. Each group consists of four players; the group selection event determines their placement in each group. Each group must go through a double elimination format to determine which players will advance and which players are eliminated. If a player can get two wins before he gets two losses, then he advances to the next round. If he can’t, then he is eliminated. Two players from each group of four will have the chance to continue to fight for this season’s title.

Group A
1. (T)BaBy 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (Z)Jaedong 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (Z)July 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (Z)Hyuk 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (Z)Jaedong < Triathlon > (T)BaBy
Game 2: (Z)Hyuk < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)July
Winners: (T)BaBy < Match Point > (Z)July
Losers: (Z)Hyuk < Match Point > (Z)Jaedong
Finals: (Z)Jaedong < Fighting Spirit > (Z)July

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group B
1. (T)Midas 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (T)Flash 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (Z)Action 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (Z)HyuN 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)Midas
Game 2: (Z)HyuN < Match Point > (Z)Action
Winners: (Z)Action < Fighting Spirit > (T)Midas
Losers: (T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (Z)HyuN
Finals: (Z)Action < Triathlon > (T)Flash

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group C
1. (T)Sea 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (T)fantasy 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (Z)Kwanro 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (T)Mind 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (Z)Kwanro < Match Point > (T)fantasy
Game 2: (T)Mind < Fighting Spirit > (T)Sea
Winners: (Z)Kwanro < Triathlon > (T)Sea
Losers: (T)Mind < Triathlon > (T)fantasy
Finals: (Z)Kwanro < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)fantasy

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group D
1. (Z)great 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (T)HiyA 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (P)Kal 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (Z)Yellow[ArnC] 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (P)Kal < Fighting Spirit > (Z)great
Game 2: (T)HiyA < Triathlon > (Z)Yellow[ArnC]
Winners: (T)HiyA < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)great
Losers: (Z)Yellow[ArnC] < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)Kal
Finals: (T)HiyA < Match Point > (P)Kal

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group E
1. (Z)Hydra 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (T)MVP 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (P)BeSt 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (P)Stork 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (P)BeSt < Triathlon > (T)MVP
Game 2: (Z)Hydra < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)Stork
Winners: (Z)Hydra < Match Point > (P)BeSt
Losers: (T)MVP < Match Point > (P)Stork
Finals: (T)MVP < Fighting Spirit > (P)BeSt

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group F
1. (T)Hwasin 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (P)JangBi 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (Z)ZerO 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (Z)FireFist 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (T)Hwasin < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)FireFist
Game 2: (Z)ZerO < Match Point > (P)JangBi
Winners: (Z)ZerO < Fighting Spirit > (T)Hwasin
Losers: (Z)FireFist < Fighting Spirit > (P)JangBi
Finals: (P)JangBi < Triathlon > (Z)ZerO

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group G
1. (Z)Calm 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (P)free 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (P)Pure 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (T)Light 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (T)Light < Match Point > (P)Pure
Game 2: (Z)Calm < Fighting Spirit > (P)free
Winners: (P)Pure < Triathlon > (Z)Calm
Losers: (T)Light < Triathlon > (P)free
Finals: (P)Pure < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)free

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:


Group H
1. (P)Shuttle 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
2. (P)Movie 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
3. (P)Bisu 1-2 ► eliminated
4. (P)Stats 0-2 ► eliminated

Game 1: (P)Stats < Fighting Spirit > (P)Shuttle
Game 2: (P)Movie < Triathlon > (P)Bisu
Winners: (P)Bisu < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)Shuttle
Losers: (P)Stats < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)Movie
Finals: (P)Movie < Match Point > (P)Bisu

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Game 2:



Winners:



Losers:



Final:




Results and Standings for the Round of 16

The number of remaining competitors has been halved as the tournament continues into the Round of 16. Beginning with this round, the tournament becomes single elimination. The players who finished first out of their groups last round will be paired against a player that finished in second. Each pair of players will play a best-of-three match to determine not only who will advance to the next round, but who will earn seeds into the following MSL.

Thumbs Down
Since there are four maps, there will be one map in each best-of-three match that will not be played. The players who finished first out of their group are given the opportunity to give a “thumbs down” to one of the maps. What this means is that the player will get to choose one of the four maps that he will not have to play on during this round. This allows the player the advantage of getting to remove a map that does not fit his play style or that he thinks may be imbalanced in a particular match-up.

Match A
(T)BaBy thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (T)BaBy < Match Point > (T)MVP
Game 2: (T)BaBy < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)MVP
Game 3: (T)BaBy < Fighting Spirit > (T)MVP

(T)MVP 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 8
(T)BaBy 0-2 ► eliminated

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Game 2:


Match B
(Z)Hydra thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (Z)Hydra < Match Point > (Z)Jaedong
Game 2: (Z)Hydra < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Jaedong
Game 3: (Z)Hydra < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Jaedong

(Z)Jaedong 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 8
(Z)Hydra 1-2 ► eliminated

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Game 2:



Game 3:


Match C
(T)Midas thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (T)Midas < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)JangBi
Game 2: (T)Midas < Fighting Spirit > (P)JangBi
Game 3: (T)Midas < Match Point > (P)JangBi

(T)Midas
2-1 ► Advances to Round of 8
(P)JangBi 1-2 ► eliminated

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Game 2:



Game 3:


Match D
(T)Hwasin thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (T)Hwasin < Match Point > (T)Flash
Game 2: (T)Hwasin < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)Flash
Game 3: (T)Hwasin < Fighting Spirit > (T)Flash

(T)Flash 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 8
(T)Hwasin 0-2 ► eliminated

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Game 2:


Match E
(T)Sea thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (T)Sea < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)free
Game 2: (T)Sea < Match Point > (P)free
Game 3: (T)Sea < Fighting Spirit > (P)free

(P)free 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 8
(T)Sea 1-2 ► eliminated

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Game 2:



Game 3:


Match F
(Z)Calm thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (Z)Calm < Match Point > (T)fantasy
Game 2: (Z)Calm < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)fantasy
Game 3: (Z)Calm < Fighting Spirit > (T)fantasy

(Z)Calm 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 8
(T)fantasy 1-2 ► eliminated

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Game 1:



Game 2:



Game 3:


Match G
(Z)great thumbed down Triathlon.

Game 1: (Z)great < Fighting Spirit > (P)Movie
Game 2: (Z)great < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)Movie
Game 3: (Z)great < Match Point > (P)Movie

(Z)great 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 8
(P)Movie 1-2 ► eliminated

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Game 1:



Game 2:



Game 3:


Match H
(P)Shuttle thumbed down Fighting Spirit.

Game 1: (P)Shuttle < Match Point > (T)HiyA
Game 2: (P)Shuttle < > (T)HiyA
Game 3: (P)Shuttle < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)HiyA

(T)HiyA 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 8
(P)Shuttle 0-2 ► eliminated

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Game 1:



Game 2:



Results and Standings for the Round of 8

MBC's new format for the Ro8 has entered its third (and last) season. The brackets from the Ro16 have been discontinued, and the matchups are now determined by KeSPA ranking. The matchups are a Bo5 format, with both players able to thumb down maps they do not want to see played twice.

Match A

Game 1: (T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)MVP
Game 2: (T)Flash < Match Point > (T)MVP
Game 3: (T)Flash < Triathlon > (T)MVP
Game 4: (T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (T)MVP
Game 5: (T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)MVP

(T)Flash 3-1 ► Advances to Semifinals
(T)MVP 1-3 ► eliminated

Match B

Game 1: (P)free < Fighting Spirit > (T)HiyA
Game 2: (P)free < Odd-Eye 2 > (T)HiyA
Game 3: (P)free < Match Point > (T)HiyA
Game 4: (P)free < Triathlon > (T)HiyA
Game 5: (P)free < Fighting Spirit > (T)HiyA

(P)free 0-0 ► Advances to Semifinals
(T)HiyA 0-0 ► eliminated

Match C

Game 1: (Z)great < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Calm
Game 2: (Z)great < Match Point > (Z)Calm
Game 3: (Z)great < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Calm
Game 4: (Z)great < Triathlon > (Z)Calm
Game 5: (Z)great < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Calm

(Z)Calm 3-2 ► Advances to Semifinals
(Z)great 2-3 ► eliminated

Match D

Game 1: (T)Midas < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Jaedong
Game 2: (T)Midas < Triathlon > (Z)Jaedong
Game 3: (T)Midas < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Jaedong
Game 4: (T)Midas < Match Point > (Z)Jaedong
Game 5: (T)Midas < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Jaedong


(Z)Jaedong 3-0 ► Advances to Semifinals
(T)Midas 0-3 ► eliminated


The Semifinals

Match A

(T)Flash < Match Point > (P)free
(T)Flash < Triathlon > (P)free
(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (P)free
(T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)free
(T)Flash < Match Point > (P)free


(T)Flash 3-0 ► Advances to Finals
(P)free 0-3 ► eliminated

Match B

(Z)Jaedong < Match Point > (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong < Triathlon > (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong < Match Point > (Z)Calm

(Z)Jaedong 3-1 ► Advances to Finals
(Z)Calm 1-3 ► eliminated


The Finals

(T)Flash < Triathlon > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < Match Point > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < Triathlon > (Z)Jaedong


(T)Flash 3-0 ► GOLD
(Z)Jaedong 0-3 ► silver

The Miscellaneous





That should be okey for everyone and functions as backup too (if some mysteries way OP decides to remove post or account gets hacked). I think there should be backups rest of [R&S] threads too, unless tl.net has good backups.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 20:08:29
May 27 2010 20:04 GMT
#186
On May 28 2010 04:50 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.

And you can still click the R&S threads for the three MSLs Savior won and his name is still there as the winner.

Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."

EDIT: Too_MuchZerg, at least spoiler that so that you don't mess up the page.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
trulla
Profile Joined February 2010
Chile303 Posts
May 27 2010 23:36 GMT
#187
when are the finals?
Sea[Shield] !!
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
May 28 2010 00:16 GMT
#188
As of this post, in 31 hours and 44 minutes.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
May 28 2010 00:16 GMT
#189
In exactly 1 day and 7 hours. Early morning Saturday EST.
WWJDD??
trulla
Profile Joined February 2010
Chile303 Posts
May 28 2010 00:21 GMT
#190
ty!
Sea[Shield] !!
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
May 28 2010 01:52 GMT
#191
--- Nuked ---
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
May 28 2010 02:47 GMT
#192
flash thumbs down match point btw
no surprise
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 03:19:19
May 28 2010 03:17 GMT
#193
Throwing in the 2 cents.. (don't really care what you do since it's something minor anyways )

It seems pointless to "?????" the names in a thread specifically designated for R&S. Results and standings should just be results and standings. Not for punishing or blacklisting the cheaters. As it doesn't really punish them at all and just annoys forum regs + newbies who just want to look at the MSL history. Taking down Savior or Luxury's MSL or OSL picture is one thing, but you can't (and OGN/MBC can't) say "oh yeah no one won Lost Saga, Jangbi just got a silver." There's other ways to show your anger/displeasure/disapproval/whatever.

Put a line through them or something or [X]Savior(Confirmed Cheater) which gives the same effect while still actually fulfilling the role of a R&S thread.
--------------------------------------
My argument is just based off the principle of a RS.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
May 28 2010 03:22 GMT
#194
On May 28 2010 12:17 Vasoline73 wrote:
Throwing in the 2 cents.. (don't really care what you do since it's something minor anyways )

It seems pointless to "?????" the names in a thread specifically designated for R&S. Results and standings should just be results and standings. Not for punishing or blacklisting the cheaters. As it doesn't really punish them at all and just annoys forum regs + newbies who just want to look at the MSL history. Taking down Savior or Luxury's MSL or OSL picture is one thing, but you can't (and OGN/MBC can't) say "oh yeah no one won Lost Saga, Jangbi just got a silver." There's other ways to show your anger/displeasure/disapproval/whatever.

Put a line through them or something or [X]Savior(Confirmed Cheater) which gives the same effect while still actually fulfilling the role of a R&S thread.
--------------------------------------
My argument is just based off the principle of a RS.


qft

you're not punishing hwasin/lux/savior/yarnc at all, you're just making it harder for people to follow the thread.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 28 2010 04:14 GMT
#195
On May 28 2010 02:34 Kerotan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 00:09 motbob wrote:
I'm not changing this thread, but I won't completely remove their names in the next R&S thread. I'll cross them out or something.

I'm kinda glad you've taken a stand, I think most people should be carrying the names through the dirt as the default, rather the exception.

The 9 are scum, and should be treated as such.



Yea yea blah blah blah blah

Savior still won those tournaments and whether you like it or not was still an extraordinarily skilled player. Period...the end.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
grax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States41 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 05:16:42
May 28 2010 05:12 GMT
#196
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."


You could just go write the names Savior & Luxury on the sidewalk and then stomp on them really hard with your shoes of righteousness, and then take pictures so the internet can see that those players have made you so upset that you don't even want to be rational anymore.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 05:25:58
May 28 2010 05:22 GMT
#197
On May 28 2010 14:12 grax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."


Then get comfortable with the idea that anyone with an ounce of taste and intelligence thinks your actions put you somewhere on the Child <-> Joe McCarthy spectrum.

OK. Let's take a look at what makes you so qualified to make statements about maturity. First, let's take a look at your posts during the OSL finals:

On May 22 2010 20:10 grax wrote:
Flash's monitor wins game 1.
On May 22 2010 20:36 grax wrote:
Really wish Flash was the one to beat Effort in this series, instead of computer hardware.
On May 22 2010 20:46 grax wrote:
Good news: Flash's victory is hollow since Effort hasn't been able to concentrate after what happened.
On May 22 2010 20:49 grax wrote:
It was really obvious that mutas were baiting Flash's army into hold-lurkers. Don't have to be a pro-gamer to read that. Flash's play is standard attack-move gameplay, Effort's not playing properly since he was robbed of game 1.
On May 22 2010 21:01 grax wrote:
Really sad that you can get a golden mouse for building lots of marines, clumping them up, and attack-moving. If someone gets an advantage on you, just fake a monitor malfunction.


What interesting insight! You really did a good job of clinging to the idea that EffOrt was doomed, not because of his skill, but because of things like monitors and the nature of the Terran race.

Let's take a look at a few more of your posts.

On May 23 2010 20:12 grax wrote:
So many drama queens in this thread.

Anyone who would stop watching BW over this needs to pull his head out of his ass.


I like your style! Forceful, yet condescending.

On February 26 2010 21:49 grax wrote:
This article is bunk. The 'bonjwas' of the past were not as untouchable as people (including the author) like to pretend.

It's nice to know that you know the history of SC:BW better than TLFE writers.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback on my R&S thread!

Whoops, you edited your post too slow. Tough luck!
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
May 28 2010 06:07 GMT
#198
On May 28 2010 14:22 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 14:12 grax wrote:
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."


Then get comfortable with the idea that anyone with an ounce of taste and intelligence thinks your actions put you somewhere on the Child <-> Joe McCarthy spectrum.

OK. Let's take a look at what makes you so qualified to make statements about maturity. First, let's take a look at your posts during the OSL finals:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 20:10 grax wrote:
Flash's monitor wins game 1.
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 20:36 grax wrote:
Really wish Flash was the one to beat Effort in this series, instead of computer hardware.
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 20:46 grax wrote:
Good news: Flash's victory is hollow since Effort hasn't been able to concentrate after what happened.
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 20:49 grax wrote:
It was really obvious that mutas were baiting Flash's army into hold-lurkers. Don't have to be a pro-gamer to read that. Flash's play is standard attack-move gameplay, Effort's not playing properly since he was robbed of game 1.
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 21:01 grax wrote:
Really sad that you can get a golden mouse for building lots of marines, clumping them up, and attack-moving. If someone gets an advantage on you, just fake a monitor malfunction.


What interesting insight! You really did a good job of clinging to the idea that EffOrt was doomed, not because of his skill, but because of things like monitors and the nature of the Terran race.

Let's take a look at a few more of your posts.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 20:12 grax wrote:
So many drama queens in this thread.

Anyone who would stop watching BW over this needs to pull his head out of his ass.


I like your style! Forceful, yet condescending.

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2010 21:49 grax wrote:
This article is bunk. The 'bonjwas' of the past were not as untouchable as people (including the author) like to pretend.

It's nice to know that you know the history of SC:BW better than TLFE writers.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback on my R&S thread!

Whoops, you edited your post too slow. Tough luck!


this doesn't change the fact that you should put their names back in.

You're not punishing the players. You're not "upholding the integrity of e-sports" or anything like that. You're not fixing anything or exacting justice of any kind. All you are doing is making harder for the guy who reads this thread a year from now to try to learn about this particular MSL and he can't figure out who lost to Flash in the Ro16.

I understand you will not do the same in the next R&S thread but THIS thread will still be missing information about the Ro32 and the Ro16 and that's unacceptable (unless you mean that for some reason you're just waiting till after the finals to go back and put hwasin/yarnc in, in which case forget all of what I just said).
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grax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States41 Posts
May 28 2010 06:08 GMT
#199
You sound really mad. Channel that energy by writing an angry letter to Savior.

While you're at it, ask Larry Page to remove all google results for "Savior MSL".
grax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States41 Posts
May 28 2010 06:15 GMT
#200
Long live Savior, winner of three MSLs.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Savior#Accomplishments
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