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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 10:44:16
May 13 2010 01:11 GMT
#1
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Hana Daetoo Securities MSL 2010 Semi-Final A: (T)Flash vs (P)free
Thursday, May 13th, 2010: 18:30 KST / 11:30 CET / 5:30 EST / 2:30 PST

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Set 1: Match Point
Set 2: Triathlon
Set 3: Fighting Spirit
Set 4: Odd-Eye 2
Set 5: Match Point



We near the end of the 2010 Hana Daetoo MSL. (T)Flash, (P)free, (Z)Calm, and (Z)Jaedong remain in the scene, and tonight Free will see if he can take on the ultimate weapon. I feel like there's not much need to write too much about Flash now, since everybody and his mother knows about how great Flash is, though I will take a slight moment to highlight his recent TvP statistics. Since the start of 2010, Flash has gone 22-2 against Protoss. Even though it's Flash, I'm still amazed by this feat. The only two games lost have been to (P)Movie in the OSL finals and the infamous game to (P)M18M. However, since that loss to M18M Flash has gone 10-0, taking out the likes of (P)Shuttle, (P)BeSt, (P)Kal, (P)Jaehoon (okay maybe this one doesn't count), (P)free, and most recently, (P)Pure. Most notably, Pure was demolished in the OSL semifinals, being unable to even take a game off of Flash. In his splendid post-game analysis using graphs, heyoka showed to us just how scary Flash's macro was: Flash was consistently outmacroing Pure (who was macroing quite well, in fact), breaking past the 20 supply deficit that Terran has compared to Protoss in the early- and mid-game.

However, Pure isn't considered the most notable for his macro, and here's where we take a look at free. free, Woongjin Stars' best Protoss, is known for conjuring up huge armies, and is touted as one of the few players these days that can keep up with Flash's macro. Of course, the same was said about BeSt last year before the MSL semifinals, and BeSt got 3-0ed by Flash in a pretty resounding manner. So before I talk more about free, let's look at the relevant statistics. free is 13-9 against Terrans in 2010, which is (almost) a solid 60%. Granted, a lot of the losses came at the hands of Terrans like Flash, (T)Sea, and (T)fantasy, but one sore spot that really sticks out is free's 1-2 loss to (T)Fancy in the OSL offline preliminaries. free's PvT isn't the best (he's definitely way more notable for massing large balls of archons in PvZ), but he's defeated many Terrans on the road to the semifinals in pretty tough and exciting matches, beating Sea 2-1 in the Ro16 and coming back from an 0-2 deficit against (T)HiyA in the quarterfinals. Unfortunately, Flash is way above anything Sea and HiyA can bring, so free's going to have quite the uphill battle. Head-to-head with Flash he's 2-7, and while Grobyc would be happy with that record becoming anything from 5-7 to 5-9 tonight, I honestly cannot see that happening. People say that Flash is unstoppable right now yet somebody will stop him soon, but I really can't see it being free tonight.

Either way, hoping for some good games, and a good series.



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I definitely do not see free winning this, so the question becomes whether or not the score will be 3-0 or 3-1. I'm going to tend toward the 3-0 side. True, free could cheese and Triathlon is such a weird map, but Flash has shown to be invincible when it comes to deflecting oddities in matches. If free does take one game, it'll be on Triathlon, and even then he has to worry about Flash's razor-sharp timing attack. After the debacle that was the NATE MSL finals, destiny demands a rematch between Flash and Jaedong. I don't believe free is going to be the one to try an challenge that.


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(T)Flash < Match Point > (P)free
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(T)Flash < Triathlon > (P)free
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(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (P)free
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(T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)free
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(T)Flash < Match Point > (P)free

(T)Flash 3-0 (P)free

(T)Flash advances to the finals to play the winner of (Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm.


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I mean, it's the semifinals of a StarLeague... go watch them all. But still:

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Good game, features some nice micro and aggressive (sometimes overly so) play.

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Mismicro by loser. There's an interesting unit not normally seen in TvP though...

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Ridiculously one-sided. Just complete and utter devastation.

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No game.

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No game.

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Wow Flash broke Jaedong's vP ELO record today...




How to watch?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hateplow
http://tv.zeroboy.net/roffles
http://tv.zeroboy.net/kentor

Thanks, boesthius, Roffles, and Kentor~

Post me streams in the thread and I'll add them here!
Many thanks to disciple for the sick OP layout <3

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Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 02:36:44
May 13 2010 01:20 GMT
#2
Flashroll inc.

edit: today flash breaks dong's vP elo peak.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 13 2010 01:25 GMT
#3
On May 13 2010 10:20 moopie wrote:
Flashroll inc.

edit: today flash break's dong's vP elo peak.

:S And another record gets eaten by the Weapon...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
May 13 2010 01:47 GMT
#4
I could care less about todays games..cause Flash is just gonna rape..but holy crap tomorrows OSL games are gonna be sick.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
May 13 2010 01:51 GMT
#5
Match Point is played twice, ask FakeSteve about the TvP on it ^^ anything can happen, hopefully free wont choke
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
May 13 2010 01:51 GMT
#6
No matter what happens, I want 5 *beep* games.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9805 Posts
May 13 2010 01:55 GMT
#7
I just don't want flash to win both leagues. please, someone else win
boomer hands
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 13 2010 01:59 GMT
#8
free 3-2.
TranslatorBaa!
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 13 2010 02:04 GMT
#9
I'm torn between wanting a protoss to win and wanting to see Dong vs Flash in the finals!

I'll take the finals rematch :D.
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
May 13 2010 02:07 GMT
#10
Free I believe.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8169 Posts
May 13 2010 02:08 GMT
#11
hopefully free will take at least 1 game off of flash lol.
Free Palestine
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
May 13 2010 02:10 GMT
#12
free please kill flash....i don't want this kid go any further....
2010 worldcup!! corea fighting!!!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 13 2010 02:13 GMT
#13
hmm... dont you guys want a Flash vs JD rematch?
Woo Jung Ho
spoolinoveryou
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States503 Posts
May 13 2010 02:17 GMT
#14
FLASH HWAITING! and everyone knows it!
whats good?
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 13 2010 02:23 GMT
#15
fuck yeah free

i really wish i could stay up to watch this T________________________T
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
izlong
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore108 Posts
May 13 2010 02:29 GMT
#16
SEXY OP LAYOUT. power outage v flash in finals plz
alt qq
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 02:34:45
May 13 2010 02:34 GMT
#17
My Predictions:

(T)Flash < Match Point > (P)free

(T)Flash < Triathlon > (P)free

(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (P)free

(T)Flash < Odd-Eye 2 > (P)free

(T)Flash < Match Point > (P)free

carebear91
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore236 Posts
May 13 2010 02:36 GMT
#18
flash point is one of flash's weakest map. i think free might get a win off there.
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
May 13 2010 02:47 GMT
#19
3-1 Flash? I won't be surprised if 3-0.

Hoping for 3-2 free though.
durza
Profile Joined August 2009
United States667 Posts
May 13 2010 02:48 GMT
#20
Free 3-2s flash, don't know why, just have a feeling.
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