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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 18 2011 09:32 GMT
#201
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 04:50 jalstar wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.

And you can still click the R&S threads for the three MSLs Savior won and his name is still there as the winner.

Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."

EDIT: Too_MuchZerg, at least spoiler that so that you don't mess up the page.


After two seasons still not back
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 18 2011 11:35 GMT
#202
you can bitch all you want, but hwasin's game in that TvP was a fucking joke
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 19:19:17
September 18 2011 18:56 GMT
#203
On September 18 2011 18:32 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:50 jalstar wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.

And you can still click the R&S threads for the three MSLs Savior won and his name is still there as the winner.

Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."

EDIT: Too_MuchZerg, at least spoiler that so that you don't mess up the page.


After two seasons still not back

Did you seriously bump the thread for this?

EDIT: As a courtesy to people looking for past results, I added Hwasin and Yarnc back into the article. However, as the results of Savior etc. have been re-added in more recent R&S threads, I see no need to cease my protest of the men who did more to kill SC:BW than anyone else.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 18 2011 23:08 GMT
#204
On September 19 2011 03:56 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 18:32 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:50 jalstar wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.

And you can still click the R&S threads for the three MSLs Savior won and his name is still there as the winner.

Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."

EDIT: Too_MuchZerg, at least spoiler that so that you don't mess up the page.


After two seasons still not back

Did you seriously bump the thread for this?

EDIT: As a courtesy to people looking for past results, I added Hwasin and Yarnc back into the article. However, as the results of Savior etc. have been re-added in more recent R&S threads, I see no need to cease my protest of the men who did more to kill SC:BW than anyone else.


Well after this post this thread can "die" again but this time less people wondering why there are players missing (who doesn't know what happened that time). I just wanted you to fill your promise and you did (almost) and that I thank you. + Show Spoiler +
PM's are for the weaklings
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
September 19 2011 09:44 GMT
#205
On September 19 2011 03:56 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 18:32 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:50 jalstar wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.

And you can still click the R&S threads for the three MSLs Savior won and his name is still there as the winner.

Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."

EDIT: Too_MuchZerg, at least spoiler that so that you don't mess up the page.


After two seasons still not back

Did you seriously bump the thread for this?

EDIT: As a courtesy to people looking for past results, I added Hwasin and Yarnc back into the article. However, as the results of Savior etc. have been re-added in more recent R&S threads, I see no need to cease my protest of the men who did more to kill SC:BW than anyone else.

I do. They won those seasons. Every thread should be complete. Someone glancing through the history in this thread shouldn't need to go hunting to see the winners of those seasons. Either remove the history section completely or add savior and luxury back in.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
September 19 2011 12:15 GMT
#206
I think it's nonsense to leave out Savior and Luxury. At the very least put an asterisk next to the ???'s, and put Savior and Luxury in a footnote with a blurb about the match fixing. The main purpose of this thread is to provide information, after all, and the victories were legitimate.

The tragedy isn't that those players won those MSL's, it's that they threw PL matches. Why hide the facts?
May the BeSt man win.
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
October 07 2011 09:59 GMT
#207
hey theres an error in match B of the ro8, it says:

free 0-0 ► Advances to Semifinals
HiyA 0-0 ► eliminated


when it should say

free 3-2 ► Advances to Semifinals
HiyA 2-3 ► eliminated
im gay
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 07 2011 10:32 GMT
#208
as a JD fan, this finals was painful to watch.
but fun nonetheless.
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
allen_ami
Profile Joined December 2010
China1392 Posts
October 07 2011 11:38 GMT
#209
I heard Hana is going to sponsor the new team?
Single boy, single boy, single all the way. Online game, masturbate, we go all the way, hey! Single boy, single boy, why can't I be gay? No more wait, no more hate, let us all be gay!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
October 07 2011 12:01 GMT
#210
On October 07 2011 20:38 allen_ami wrote:
I heard Hana is going to sponsor the new team?


source?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 07 2011 23:44 GMT
#211
On October 07 2011 19:32 jjhchsc2 wrote:
as a JD fan, this finals was painful to watch.
but fun nonetheless.

No. Not fun. Just painful to see him 14cc rolled three times in a row
Jaedong.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
October 08 2011 01:38 GMT
#212
haha, you forgot to question mark Yarnc
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10253 Posts
October 08 2011 02:12 GMT
#213
Please put in sAviOr? I hate to see him getting left out. If we have newcomers come in and question, might as well leave sAviOr in.
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Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
October 08 2011 02:15 GMT
#214
LOL, I thought this had been bumped because it was the best MSL run that MVP had before switching to SC2.
aka Moletrap
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
October 08 2011 05:49 GMT
#215
I think putting a foodnote after the ???? might be the best approach.

Just having ???? does seem to make the list somewhat incomplete.

On the other hand people should not be allowed to forget what those people did, and newcomers shouldn't read about their win without getting some introduction into the scandal.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 08 2011 07:12 GMT
#216
On October 07 2011 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 20:38 allen_ami wrote:
I heard Hana is going to sponsor the new team?


source?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=273058

Hana is possibly the "H" that rumors are floating about.

Koreans are such huge cockteases with information about things going on. Remember when the match fixing first leaked? "J" "S" "M" "L" lol.

I figured someone who sponsored a league is most likely to pick up a team, right? Could be it. Would be a weird sponsor haha
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 08 2011 07:19 GMT
#217
On October 08 2011 16:12 Torenhire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 07 2011 20:38 allen_ami wrote:
I heard Hana is going to sponsor the new team?


source?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=273058

Hana is possibly the "H" that rumors are floating about.

Koreans are such huge cockteases with information about things going on. Remember when the match fixing first leaked? "J" "S" "M" "L" lol.

I figured someone who sponsored a league is most likely to pick up a team, right? Could be it. Would be a weird sponsor haha

The Savior silhouette was insane lol.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
October 08 2011 08:42 GMT
#218
On October 08 2011 16:12 Torenhire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 07 2011 20:38 allen_ami wrote:
I heard Hana is going to sponsor the new team?


source?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=273058

Hana is possibly the "H" that rumors are floating about.

Koreans are such huge cockteases with information about things going on. Remember when the match fixing first leaked? "J" "S" "M" "L" lol.

I figured someone who sponsored a league is most likely to pick up a team, right? Could be it. Would be a weird sponsor haha


I asked that yesterday when it wasn't revealed and then a few hours later after some digging tweeted milkis regarding the rumor.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
October 08 2011 09:41 GMT
#219
On September 19 2011 03:56 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 18:32 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
On May 28 2010 05:04 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:50 jalstar wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:45 motbob wrote:
On May 28 2010 04:27 ndralcasid wrote:
C'mon now, let's not turn this into something like WWE did with Chris Benoit.

Whatever you think about them now, does not change the fact that Savior and Luxury won those seasons and were indeed the best at the time those MSL's were played. Trying to rewrite history is just stupid.

Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Is the commissioner trying to "rewrite history" by keeping him ineligible?

Damaging the integrity of the game attracts repercussions in this sport and in other sports.


Pete Rose is still in the record books and the World Series that the Reds won with him are still there too.

And you can still click the R&S threads for the three MSLs Savior won and his name is still there as the winner.

Why am I even arguing about this? I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season. I am doing what I am doing and you are not going to convince me otherwise with rhetoric about being "juvenile" or trying to "rewrite history" or turning the R&S thread into "something like WWE."

EDIT: Too_MuchZerg, at least spoiler that so that you don't mess up the page.


After two seasons still not back

Did you seriously bump the thread for this?

EDIT: As a courtesy to people looking for past results, I added Hwasin and Yarnc back into the article. However, as the results of Savior etc. have been re-added in more recent R&S threads, I see no need to cease my protest of the men who did more to kill SC:BW than anyone else.


"I've already said I'm going to put the names back after the season." - You

But your crusade against dishonesty is really inspiring. LMAO
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