EPT[SWL] Playoffs - MBCGame vs Woongjin - Page 78
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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DoubIe_O
Austria234 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:09 De4ngus wrote: He did hold it off lol. All he lost was a sunken and like 2 drones. By sending his entire army there. Then sea counterpushed in mid and cows were walking all the way back to nat. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:09 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Calm Zero Kwanro even Jaedong The top zerg players in the game are all sucking vs terran right now. Effort, he had like a 80% win rate vs T in 2009 | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
How do you lose at that stage of the game having 4 gas for that long? I'm having terrible flashbacks to zergs pulling that kind of expansion strategy on me and not scouting it until too late. I'm fairly sure none of them ever just gave up their 4th like that either.  | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:06 samachking wrote: There was nothing wrong with that strat. He just had to keep map control and defend that 4th. Quick ultra transition off 4 base is definitely viable. After that 4th went down the game was over. It's viable but unnecessarily risky. There's a timing window (usually right before ultralisk speed is done) where proper 3-base Terran macro can turn such a game around. There it happened even earlier due to ZerO fucking up in the middle. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
Even set 5 was pretty entertaining. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:04 PoP wrote: By getting cocky and techning straight to ultralisks. :/ I thought Zero was going crazy zerg. I was actually surprised to see him show up with delayed lurkers... particularly after he took a fourth base that wasn't connected to his third, meaning he would have to defend three separate locations with lurkers. (Much easier with a more mobile, zergling/muta --> zergling/ultra army.) As far as I can tell, the center of neo moon glaive is ridiculously terrible for lurker vs. M&M. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:07 orgolove wrote: Wait, is this best of 7 or best of 9? its 4 out of 7, are you not seeing the interviews right now? | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:09 cascades wrote: His fast ultras were bad. Zero didn't start upgrading fast enough, his ultras were only 4-1. He spent his gas on lurkers instead. Yeah, this was some weird middle ground between crazy Zerg and standard play with a ton of lurkers. I'm guessing Sea's early pressure forced him to switch to lurkers and he didn't change his late-game plan of going fast ultras. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:11 Ilikestarcraft wrote: People should stop blaming the maps for zergs losing a lot vs terrans lately. Nothing zero did made sense that game after blocking the fast +1 weap 4 rax pressure. And he blocked it perfectly too. Just because you lost to 1lof...... =p | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
Though I must say, that was some damn impressive macro from Sea. Why, Zero? Why do you always lose when it matters most? Individual leagues, proleagues, it all ends the same... | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On March 27 2010 17:15 MountainDewJunkie wrote: My theory, having no worth, is that the only excuse for skipping defilers is when you go Crazy Zerg. As we've just seen, a very slow teching to swarmless ultras can't do shit, but at least with tre Crazy Zerg, you have a puncher's chance with fast ultras and guardians (if all your mutas didn't die). Though I must say, that was some damn impressive macro from Sea. Why, Zero? Why do you always lose when it matters most? Individual leagues, proleagues, it all ends the same... Actually imo Ultras are the goal of late game ZvT. I think you might have it wrong here, you get defilers in order to delay terran enough and barely defend to ultraling with upgrades with 4 gas. Zero already had 4gas and had map control for a while, so the defiler skip was okay and doesnt hurt. The thing is, Sea like Flash has insane macro, and in order to even hurt the huge blob of MnM they can mass up you need to muster a large ultra force with both speed and carapace upgrades and flank efficiently while keeping all your bases. If he wanted to play that game he only needed to defend his 4th, thats all. If he managed that the game would be even. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
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