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Does any non-STX fan realize that Shuttle is 9-2 PvP, both losses coming from Bisu? Dayum.
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On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time.
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On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time.
When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there.
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On December 28 2009 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Does any non-STX fan realize that Shuttle is 9-2 PvP, both losses coming from Bisu? Dayum.
Shuttle is awesome all around :3. His TvP record -looks- awful, but the caliber of players he's losing to is for the most part pretty high - HiyA, Flash, Mind, Light, and Sea are all good, and he recently beat ZerO at ZvP. On almost any other team, he'd seeing consistant play.
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On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there. I miss Jangbi 
Hes so much cooler than stork.
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On December 28 2009 17:27 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there. I miss Jangbi Hes so much cooler than stork.
Well, the reason why Jangbi's so cool is because his style is so aggressive. But that's also his downfall. He relies so much on mechanics that he lacks Stork's decision-making. So ironically, for Jangbi to rebound from his slump, he'd have to play more like Stork and not try to be so cool.
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SKT is in no SLUMP what so ever and I just realized it looking at this series. Putting Best in PvP again (did he win a PvP this season?!) and a weak B team Zerg again to give an early advantage by 0-2-ing own team by THE COACH!
Is there a rule that doesn't allow to play a PL series without a Zerg player?
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On December 28 2009 22:30 Hazard wrote:
SKT is in no SLUMP what so ever and I just realized it looking at this series. Putting Best in PvP again (did he win a PvP this season?!) and a weak B team Zerg again to give an early advantage is 0-2-ing own team by THE COACH!
Is there a rule that doesn't allow to play a PL series without a Zerg player?
Teams have to send out at least 1 player of each race.
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does anyone know the reason why frozen mannered cc bisu?
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On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there.
You're forgetting Kal. His PvZ was always better than Jangbi's / Stork's.
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On December 29 2009 00:25 firlou wrote:
does anyone know the reason why frozen mannered cc bisu?
Either to have some fun or tell Bisu to leave. Becuase Bisu, even though he was utterly stuffed, just would not type out.
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On December 29 2009 06:56 exeprime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there. You're forgetting Kal. His PvZ was always better than Jangbi's / Stork's.
Correction, at his peak performance, his msl run, his pvz was really good, now its just another pvz.
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On December 29 2009 07:10 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 06:56 exeprime wrote:On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there. You're forgetting Kal. His PvZ was always better than Jangbi's / Stork's. Correction, at his peak performance, his msl run, his pvz was really good, now its just another pvz.
You must not have seen Kal's recent pvzs
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On December 29 2009 07:12 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 07:10 MuffinDude wrote:On December 29 2009 06:56 exeprime wrote:On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there. You're forgetting Kal. His PvZ was always better than Jangbi's / Stork's. Correction, at his peak performance, his msl run, his pvz was really good, now its just another pvz. You must not have seen Kal's recent pvzs
or any of his PvZs during "jangbi's pvz peak"
kal has always been better than jangbi at PvZ
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On December 29 2009 07:22 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 07:12 lone_hydra wrote:On December 29 2009 07:10 MuffinDude wrote:On December 29 2009 06:56 exeprime wrote:On December 28 2009 17:00 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 16:49 mog87 wrote:On December 28 2009 14:04 MuffinDude wrote:
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Forgg's tvp was as good as jangbi's pvz in their primes. He might be able to take on bisu, but bisu's pvt isn't too special. Stork and jangbi definitely have better pvt than forgg.
Jangbi's PvZ was never really good, he just out multitasked and harrassed mediocre zergs, the only good zergs Ive ever recalled him beating, And if you recall Forgg beat Jangbi in proleague championsips with one of the craziest timing pushes while during which jangbi killed all his scvs and nevertheless still was crushed. That being said forgg hasnt really shown any of that prowess in anything other than really 1 game at a time. When jangbi was at his prime, he was arguable the 2nd best pvzer at the moment. Movie hasn't really broken through yet and stork had about the same pvz as jangbi did. I remembered one game jangbi completely steamrolled effort that jangbi had more storms than he knew what to do with. But this was a time when I could laugh at effort and nobody would care. But jangbi had one of the best pvz out there just because there really aren't any good pvzers out there. You're forgetting Kal. His PvZ was always better than Jangbi's / Stork's. Correction, at his peak performance, his msl run, his pvz was really good, now its just another pvz. You must not have seen Kal's recent pvzs or any of his PvZs during "jangbi's pvz peak" kal has always been better than jangbi at PvZ
Jangbi in his prime, he definitely had better pvz than kal at that moment.
And about kal's recent pvz, he beaten soo and whole bunch other nonamers. So scary. Only good win was against typeb and overhyped hyuk. He lost to all better pvz players like kwanro and jaedong and even got out of osl prelims by just. Yes awesome pvz.
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On December 28 2009 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 12:55 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 12:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 28 2009 12:32 MuffinDude wrote:On December 28 2009 11:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 28 2009 06:03 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On December 28 2009 02:33 Kyo Yuy wrote:On December 27 2009 16:29 Harem wrote:On December 27 2009 16:23 Niton wrote:That's amazing. You'd almost think  FrOzean was a top-tier player with a record like that. You know who else has a similar record vs  Bisu? fOrGG. You know who else has a similar record vs  Jaedong? fOrGG. just realized he has a winning record vs bisu, jaedong and flash There's a reason everyone says that if "Forgg ever gets back in shape KT will be unstoppable." He was honest to goodness the best player in the world at one point after consistently dismantling every other top player like playthings. Then poof slump for the entirety of 09. :> You can say that about many teams. If savior becomes the old savior then CJ will be unstoppable. If jangbi and fbh get back to their prime then the only way to take down khan is to have a good zerg line up. If boxer and oov gets back into shape, wow. Um...no. You can't say that about Oov/Boxer/Savior. I'm pretty sure they said, atleast while all were playing, that they're better now than they were in their prime, just that competition has gotten fiercer. Forgg was better than he is now. There's no getting around it. He beat Kal, Jaedong, and Flash in absolutely dominating fashion on his title run. He played some absolutely amazing and impressive starcraft, even by today's standards. This was all directly after Flash won his OSL, Jaedong won his MSL, and Kal was runner up in the MSL -- all were in peak condition before Forgg shut them down. The same DOES go for Jangbi and Firebathero, though. But Firebathero was never a title winner who stomped the best players in amazing fashion. Same kind of goes for Best/Fantasy/Jangbi, too, though they, at their best, are certainly much more impressive than now. ForGG is the only person on this list that stomped the best players in the modern age (With exception to Stork, who is definitely Forgg's canemaster). Savior/Oov/Boxer/Nada/Best/Jangbi/Firebathero never simultaneously took down the likes of Flash/Jaedong/Kal/Bisu, and did so convincingly. They may have good records against a couple of them, but it's hard to compare to Forgg's prime. Guy just lost it. =\ Ask Oz fans, Forgg was a wrecking machine. Are you kidding? Savior is playing much worse than he used too. He isn't focusing on large army micro anymore. People say savior has gotten worse because competition has gotten fierce, but I also believe that Savior is just playing worse and his fpvods show is. That is why I believe Savior can make a comeback as long as he starts playing like he used to. The same might not be applicable to boxer and oov, but they definitely are playing worse than before. FBH never won a title partly because of his tvp, but his tvt and tvz was good enough to get a title. And I would dare to say Jangbi prime>forgg prime anyday. sAviOr is getting much worse results than ever, but he's definitely improved as a player. Even he admits it. Watch the Shinhan 3 finals, which was sloppy zvt versus sloppy tvz (by modern standards) and then watch his games against Leta and UpMaGiC in early 2009. He's improved a lot, everyone else really is just that much better.
Savior's play in early 2009 was at least top5 zerg worthy, but now its gotten weaker again...
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