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On December 28 2009 04:20 TheYango wrote:

No, I'm saying the Shine haters won't admit that he isn't.

Minor derail, but if you think Shine still sucks, then I guess that makes Bisu, Effort, Fantasy, and Stork all terrible then for losing to him?

On December 28 2009 05:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I never said Shine was terrible or sucks. ??

On December 28 2009 02:12 TheYango wrote:

Tell that to the Stork fanboys/Shine haters in the OSL Ro8 Week 2 thread.


The reason people prefer Stork over Bisu is simple bandwagoning with the player who's winning games. It's why there's less nerdrage in recent Bisu losses than in Stork's--all the bandwagon fans have jumped ship.

On December 28 2009 02:33 Kyo Yuy wrote:

You know who else has a similar record vs Jaedong?

fOrGG.

On December 28 2009 08:43 saltywet wrote:
fantasy vs calm as recommended game? gtfo skt1 fanboy, that game was so bad, there was one point fantasy walked 2 control groups m&m and 3 tanks through 3 lurkers

On December 28 2009 08:43 saltywet wrote:
fantasy vs calm as recommended game? gtfo skt1 fanboy, that game was so bad, there was one point fantasy walked 2 control groups m&m and 3 tanks through 3 lurkers

On December 28 2009 06:03 Ilikestarcraft wrote:

just realized he has a winning record vs bisu, jaedong and flash

On December 28 2009 11:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:


There's a reason everyone says that if "Forgg ever gets back in shape KT will be unstoppable." He was honest to goodness the best player in the world at one point after consistently dismantling every other top player like playthings.

Then poof slump for the entirety of 09. :>

On December 28 2009 12:32 MuffinDude wrote:

You can say that about many teams.

If savior becomes the old savior then CJ will be unstoppable.
If jangbi and fbh get back to their prime then the only way to take down khan is to have a good zerg line up.
If boxer and oov gets back into shape, wow.

On December 28 2009 12:32 MuffinDude wrote:

You can say that about many teams.

If savior becomes the old savior then CJ will be unstoppable.
If jangbi and fbh get back to their prime then the only way to take down khan is to have a good zerg line up.
If boxer and oov gets back into shape, wow.

On December 28 2009 12:32 MuffinDude wrote:

You can say that about many teams.

If savior becomes the old savior then CJ will be unstoppable.
If jangbi and fbh get back to their prime then the only way to take down khan is to have a good zerg line up.
If boxer and oov gets back into shape, wow.

On December 28 2009 12:32 MuffinDude wrote:

You can say that about many teams.

If savior becomes the old savior then CJ will be unstoppable.
If jangbi and fbh get back to their prime then the only way to take down khan is to have a good zerg line up.
If boxer and oov gets back into shape, wow.

On December 28 2009 12:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:


Um...no. You can't say that about Oov/Boxer/Savior. I'm pretty sure they said, atleast while all were playing, that they're better now than they were in their prime, just that competition has gotten fiercer.

Forgg was better than he is now. There's no getting around it. He beat Kal, Jaedong, and Flash in absolutely dominating fashion on his title run. He played some absolutely amazing and impressive starcraft, even by today's standards. This was all directly after Flash won his OSL, Jaedong won his MSL, and Kal was runner up in the MSL -- all were in peak condition before Forgg shut them down.

The same DOES go for Jangbi and Firebathero, though. But Firebathero was never a title winner who stomped the best players in amazing fashion. Same kind of goes for Best/Fantasy/Jangbi, too, though they, at their best, are certainly much more impressive than now.

ForGG is the only person on this list that stomped the best players in the modern age (With exception to Stork, who is definitely Forgg's canemaster). Savior/Oov/Boxer/Nada/Best/Jangbi/Firebathero never simultaneously took down the likes of Flash/Jaedong/Kal/Bisu, and did so convincingly. They may have good records against a couple of them, but it's hard to compare to Forgg's prime.

Guy just lost it. =\

Ask Oz fans, Forgg was a wrecking machine.

On December 28 2009 12:55 MuffinDude wrote:

Are you kidding? Savior is playing much worse than he used too. He isn't focusing on large army micro anymore. People say savior has gotten worse because competition has gotten fierce, but I also believe that Savior is just playing worse and his fpvods show is. That is why I believe Savior can make a comeback as long as he starts playing like he used to. The same might not be applicable to boxer and oov, but they definitely are playing worse than before. FBH never won a title partly because of his tvp, but his tvt and tvz was good enough to get a title. And I would dare to say Jangbi prime>forgg prime anyday.

On December 28 2009 13:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Savior maybe could be a little better, but remember why Savior became less relevant -- he was completely destroyed by Bisu. The modern era is why Savior isn't amazing. ForGG's time was during the modern era.

Anyhow, Jangbi vs ForGG in their primes, depends on who they're up against. Versus each other, Jangbi's definitely the favorite because Jangbi at his best is just a more efficient, less creative Stork. But up against Bisu or Jaedong? ForGG has the better shot over Jangbi by a LOT.

On December 28 2009 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


sAviOr is getting much worse results than ever, but he's definitely improved as a player. Even he admits it. Watch the Shinhan 3 finals, which was sloppy zvt versus sloppy tvz (by modern standards) and then watch his games against Leta and UpMaGiC in early 2009. He's improved a lot, everyone else really is just that much better.