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[SPL] CJ Entus vs Samsung KHAN - Page 39
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:36 iloveHieu wrote: ouch Jangbi =( good job CJ, good thing Stork sat this one out though. Now that Stork is back i think the morale of KHAN is increasing not too long ago KHAN was losing horribly now they're losing..not to horribly xD | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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Refrige
United States179 Posts
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usopsama
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
On November 11 2009 13:23 usopsama wrote: Jangbi, you failure. Actually he showed some signs of recovery. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On November 11 2009 20:13 RamenStyle wrote: Actually he showed some signs of recovery. Even though FBH won... he still isn't playing good cause he almost let skyhigh come back. Jangbi played pretty good and it was a very close game vs. effort. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On November 11 2009 20:13 RamenStyle wrote: Actually he showed some signs of recovery. This. Frankly I wouldn't expect a slumping Jangbi to beat one of the most solid Zerg at the moment either. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 12 2009 01:28 nayumi wrote: This. Frankly I wouldn't expect a slumping Jangbi to beat one of the most solid Zerg at the moment either. He could have won that game. He lost because his multitask and game sense is just abysmal now. He tried to harass Effort's 9 o'clock with a naked shuttle while his huge archon/goon force mopped up the main. Why would you just give away 2 reaver/shuttle like that? The reavers EASILY could have gone home to defend and help JB get an expo up. Instead he just gave them away. And then his archon/goon force just milled around for half a day before taking out the 9 o'clock. Even though Effort obv could not defend it at that point because he was still massing ultas. Jangbi played that one like a slow-witted B-rank player. Which he is not. Effort was mentally ahead of him the entire game. Jangbi ran back and forth, looking lost at how to counter lings. His one strat the entire game consisted of massing a ton of corsairs in secret and then trying to backstab Effort with a 3x DT drop in the main. What kind of stupid strat is that on this map where you have to fly over an expo to get to the main and the entire way is riddled with scourge/overlords and he has 3 hatcheries with which to spawn overlords from? And Jangbi goes for this strat when Effort has a huge simcity defense so Jangbi couldn't take advantage of Effort spending a ton of gas on scourge anyway. It was a HORRIBLE strat and he gave up a ridic amount of gas because of that. Think how much sooner JB could have had that critical mass of archon/reaver if it weren't for his idiotic sair/dt attempt. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
What kind of stupid strat is that on this map where you have to fly over an expo to get to the main and the entire way is riddled with scourge/overlords and he has 3 hatcheries with which to spawn overlords from? it worked, he sacked the pool and eventually the main didn't he? in any case, it's fairly easy to make a strategic assessment like that after the fact, but to say Jangbi played like a b-rank player is ridiculous. He pushed Effort to the edge, and I'm sure many people watching thought a gg was coming after the sack on main. I think the reason why people are encouraged by Jangbi in this game is because he demonstrated something we haven't seen before. When was the last time you have seen Jangbi controlling a Protoss army of that size and diversity against an equally large Zerg army? Just the fact that he incorporated all those different units and controls into one hanbang was formidable to witness. There's probably just a very small handful of Zerg players that could have won this game. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 12 2009 04:00 broz0rs wrote: it worked, he sacked the pool and eventually the main didn't he? in any case, it's fairly easy to make a strategic assessment like that after the fact, but to say Jangbi played like a b-rank player is ridiculous. He pushed Effort to the edge, and I'm sure many people watching thought a gg was coming after the sack on main. I think the reason why people are encouraged by Jangbi in this game is because he demonstrated something we haven't seen before. When was the last time you have seen Jangbi controlling a Protoss army of that size and diversity against an equally large Zerg army? Just the fact that he incorporated all those different units and controls into one hanbang was formidable to witness. There's probably just a very small handful of Zerg players that could have won this game. It worked? Kill a 250 mineral building in exchange for a corsair fleet + shuttle + 3 dts? That sounds like a good trade to you? Did you see Effort short on lings? He took the main because Effort was transitioning to Ultra/Ling and wasn't ready to take on the Toss ball of death at that point. Think how much better JB would have done if he had that ball 3 minutes earlier! Maybe if you don't know how to count bases you would think a GG was coming from Effort after JB took the main, but it was plain as day to me that he was losing. It's not some stupid observation in hindsight. How do you compare 3 bases vs ZERO mining? You think 6 archons and some dragoons are going to overrun 3 bases pumping Ultra/ling? Sorry, but you have no clue what SC is if you think JB had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the game at that point. His "hanbang" (which I have no clue why you would call it that because there wasn't a single thing timed about the attack) was a desperation move. If Toss is in a good position, they're not going to go bulldozing into a Zerg's main when it's mined out. They're going to sit back and keep macroing, while defending with reaver/templars and harassing the new expos until they can beat the zerg army in the middle. Jangbi's attack was just for the hell of it because he knew it was utterly hopeless past that point. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
abracadabra dance at end, fbh!! | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On November 12 2009 05:36 StorkHwaiting wrote: It worked? Kill a 250 mineral building in exchange for a corsair fleet + shuttle + 3 dts? That sounds like a good trade to you? Did you see Effort short on lings? He took the main because Effort was transitioning to Ultra/Ling and wasn't ready to take on the Toss ball of death at that point. Think how much better JB would have done if he had that ball 3 minutes earlier! Maybe if you don't know how to count bases you would think a GG was coming from Effort after JB took the main, but it was plain as day to me that he was losing. It's not some stupid observation in hindsight. How do you compare 3 bases vs ZERO mining? You think 6 archons and some dragoons are going to overrun 3 bases pumping Ultra/ling? Sorry, but you have no clue what SC is if you think JB had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the game at that point. His "hanbang" (which I have no clue why you would call it that because there wasn't a single thing timed about the attack) was a desperation move. If Toss is in a good position, they're not going to go bulldozing into a Zerg's main when it's mined out. They're going to sit back and keep macroing, while defending with reaver/templars and harassing the new expos until they can beat the zerg army in the middle. Jangbi's attack was just for the hell of it because he knew it was utterly hopeless past that point. I think you have no clue what starcraft is if you dont know what a spawning pool costs =P In all seriousness why the hell would the toss army want to engage in the center? you're begging to be flanked/surrounded and the last thing you want to do in PvZ is an army trade cause zerg remakes theirs about 5 times faster than you. Go for the main, kill the TECH and production so he can't mass ultra-ling or he does so slower or force him to defend in a choke where storms do the most damage, seems like a reasonable idea to me. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 12 2009 05:56 Chen wrote: I think you have no clue what starcraft is if you dont know what a spawning pool costs =P In all seriousness why the hell would the toss army want to engage in the center? you're begging to be flanked/surrounded and the last thing you want to do in PvZ is an army trade cause zerg remakes theirs about 5 times faster than you. Go for the main, kill the TECH and production so he can't mass ultra-ling or he does so slower or force him to defend in a choke where storms do the most damage, seems like a reasonable idea to me. The drone costs 50 minerals =P | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
LoL... pwned | ||
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MrHickoryHam54
United States208 Posts
i cant believe that a huge teamliquid argument would be settled by 1 dumb guy not considering the drone-build thing in the zerg race. good job lol | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
can you answer the SERIOUS part of my question? -.- I actually want to know about that. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:31 Chen wrote: can you answer the SERIOUS part of my question? -.- I actually want to know about that. It's Fighting Spirit dude. Where else are you going to fight? Look at how the map's laid out. You have to go through the middle to get to any expansion and there's always a bridge to retreat to. It's extremely difficult to flank on that map due to the rivers/bridges. It would have been ok if he just made the corsairs to defend vs mutas and keep them off his back long enough to mass templars and secure his 3rd. But going for that drop was really just senseless. Shuttle + speed + 3 DTs is a LOT of gas that early. Then he gave away most of his corsair fleet in his mindless attack on the mutas, not microing at all while scourge assraped his fleet. Meanwhile, Effort took another expo, lost nothing but his mutas and a spawning pool, AND got defiler tech. If Jangbi hadn't wasted all that money on sairs/dt/shuttle he would have had a lot more dominant army to control the middle and Effort probably wouldn't have been able to just walk right over with lurkers/defilers and swarm rape Jangbi's third. Probably the ONLY good move Jangbi did all game was storming Effort's nat by shuttling templars over the river. If he'd kept his corsairs and relied on templar storming to harass, he could have abused the map way more effectively. Much harder to defend against corsair/shuttle when they get to fly over a long stretch of river/cliffs straight into a mineral line. I don't know why anyone would argue this point. It's clear as day that Jangbi's strat was poorly conceived and flat out didn't work due to the spawning positions. Flying through a zerg's nat to DT drop his main, when both players are turtling, is a really dumb idea. Effort didn't have to divide his focus anywhere else. A DT/Corsair attack is easy to stop when Zerg has 4-gas and 10 mutas already in the air. And Jangbi did all this completely blind. Zero vision in the main when he decided to nose dive right in with no clue what he'd be facing. That's poor decision making. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
also LOL @ the "i will suck a line of cocks" ... I warned you (too bad this has nothing to do with the argument above this post...) | ||
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