[G] ZvP All-ins, The Guessing Game and Trickery - Page 2

On August 07 2009 06:59 w3jjjj wrote:


Find it for me, that would be valuable to add into the guide.

On August 07 2009 07:27 Nevuk wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86648&currentpage=3

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86648&currentpage=4
Here he posts the example replays of what to do if scouting is denied - it's a free win vs 2 hatchery hydra from my experience.(You can get hydralisks before this, but you would have to skip ling speed).

On August 07 2009 07:36 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
-sigh- i dont like it but i wholeheartedly agree
keep the P player in the dark and suprise him.
however, if the p player relentlessly scouts, you are in trouble.
For example.. after the gate warps in in the nat, many P players like to make 1/2 zlots and a goon to clear out the lings and force a scout. This may throw a wrench in your plans

On August 07 2009 07:51 w3jjjj wrote:


Not with 12 speedlings at his front door. If P tries to sneak a probe out simultaneously with a zeal/goon push, kill the probe first, speedlings are fast, come back to kill the zeal/goon.

On August 07 2009 08:07 inertinept wrote:
luckily i have devised a build for iccup pvz that nullifies every kind of cheese there is :D people going all-in in zvp is why it is my best matchup at the moment so please follow this guide

On August 07 2009 07:31 w3jjjj wrote:


Very nice, I'll check out the replay later.

It's a shame such good posts are buried in all these threads and not many players can learn from them.

On August 07 2009 08:07 inertinept wrote:
luckily i have devised a build for iccup pvz that nullifies every kind of cheese there is :D people going all-in in zvp is why it is my best matchup at the moment so please follow this guide

On August 07 2009 08:09 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

please share oh good sir

On August 07 2009 08:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
wont 12 speedlings kinda screw up your 2 hatch mutal/hydra timing?

On August 07 2009 08:16 Megalisk wrote:
My favorite build on maps like destination is going fake den at the nat, 3 hat-mutas, they cannon the crap out of the bridges, and at most one cannon at their mineral line. They spend so much money on cannons protecting the entrance to their nat, they have little defense against the muta slaughter.

On August 07 2009 08:18 inertinept wrote:


well the gist of it:

standard FE with 2 cannons before nexus if you dont scout in time. then it branches into:

you see 9 pool -
put up a gateway before nexus. trust me, its worth it and will not put you behind.

you see anyting else -
go nexus as usual after 2 cannons.

after this, make 2 gateways(or 1 if its 9 pool) and make zealots until about 7. you should then get gas/core. pressure with the zealots and force sunkens. if you see a 2nd gas at his natural expect mutalisks.

while he is doing that you are transferring into a 4 gate mass goon build which will eventually be 6 gate + robo for observer/reaver depending on hydra/lurker (if he goes muta its best for you as mass goons really rapes mutalisks in terms of cost)

after that it is up to your mechanics and intuition gl

On August 07 2009 08:21 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

wont this screw up your core timing?