• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:42
CEST 21:42
KST 04:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)10Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
Rogue EWC 2025 Hype Video! Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025) Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 SOOP Starcraft Global #22 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 30911 users

[G] D+ Adventures in Bio-tank - Page 5

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 07:07:08
July 17 2009 07:06 GMT
#81
141eapm is still pretty insane though for being D rank. I mean I've gotten to B rank (fuck I'm so god damn gosu) on the ICCUP ladder by bashing those koreans (progamers were my main victims of choice ofc) and I don't think I've ever had a game where my eapm was over 120.

(Yes I play protoss, fuck off.)

So at least you got the speed to be gosu. Now you just have to figure out what to do, and believe it or not, that is the easier part of playing sc. I mean, I bet mani knows as much about strategy and how you should play as semi-progamers, mechanics are the needed ingredient for many of us.

Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
July 17 2009 07:35 GMT
#82
When I first looked at the title, I thought it's just another person tired of doing mech/sk. Just use mnm and 2fact tanks against Z. But, it's TvP.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
BarneyEX
Profile Joined March 2009
Malaysia98 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 11:35:40
July 17 2009 11:34 GMT
#83
Here's my attempt, worked hilariously despite my terrible micro

http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=17062&name=International Cyber Cup vs ArchOn.rep

Seems like every time i take terran, the opponent seem instantly swap to toss
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
July 17 2009 13:05 GMT
#84
I agree, that was a hilariously bad game, and you stomped him completely. D rank terran powa!
ModeratorGodfather
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
July 17 2009 19:52 GMT
#85
On July 17 2009 16:06 Jonoman92 wrote:
141eapm is still pretty insane though for being D rank. I mean I've gotten to B rank (fuck I'm so god damn gosu) on the ICCUP ladder by bashing those koreans (progamers were my main victims of choice ofc) and I don't think I've ever had a game where my eapm was over 120.

(Yes I play protoss, fuck off.)

So at least you got the speed to be gosu. Now you just have to figure out what to do, and believe it or not, that is the easier part of playing sc. I mean, I bet mani knows as much about strategy and how you should play as semi-progamers, mechanics are the needed ingredient for many of us.



Yea, I have the discipline of a crack a ferret, and I'm also focusing on 2:2 right now, so I probably won't try 1:1 for a good bit of time.

Even with 140 EAPM over 12 minutes, sometimes my macro fails totally if I'm in a bad situation/microing particularly hard for some reason, particularly when I have random partner.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 17 2009 19:54 GMT
#86
On July 16 2009 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
In order to pick off the MM in one shot though, he would have to focus fire. That is beyond the abilities of most D+ protoss players. Losing your first tanks devastates this build more than losing the first marines though.

Yesterday I miss-microed terribly, lost my first tanks, and got run over by scouts

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 23:15 GreEny K wrote:
"If you look like this, youre in good shape"

I wouldnt agree with that, if the P has ANY idea what he is doing he will have his goons at your choke and will micro back, so when you stim and move forward your tanks fall back and the toss can just hold position and then move back. Also if you do this slightly wrong and get scouted he will get speed lotz or a reaver and destroy you. BTW i think i played you on a smurf account and you tried this, I did what i said above and just added gates speedlotz and took 2 expos. the game was over in 14 minutes or so, i even made a Pylon heart in the bottom left of Destination, by the third expo.


Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, there are 100 things that beat this build. I know this very well. The point is to try a different build than one fac expo. It is an intense build, and fun win or lose. Pretty wimpy of you not to tell me who you were though. It isn't like I'm going to go and check my reps. I lose with this build probably 50% of the time.


I was trace_the-ace, i wasnt trying to hide that i just didnt know you wanted it. Also this build is countered by MANY different responses as someone said earlier which is why i hate it. Im p and when i counter this (99% of the time) the terran always rage quits, always saying "who gets legs taht fast noob, if i did normal play i woulda raped you" and i think to myself, if you did normal play i wouldnt have gotten legs this fast retard... Not you in particular but a lot of noobs respond to loss with that false sense of security in themselves. And teh guy with the 300 apm and only 141 eapm is just lol. Since you can get that high apm try making them actually usefull and effective, I get 200 apm and the eapm is 190-195 depending on if im tired or not if i am i go 160 apm and the eapm is 150 mostly. Its not about speed its how you use it..... BUT SPEED HELPS!!
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
July 18 2009 02:01 GMT
#87
This build seems to be getting fairly popular at the D+ level. I faced it 3-4 times in the ~20 PvTs I played. Whenever my probe scout is denied by a wall, I go super safe 2 gate obs before expo in case T goes 2 fact. But that gets raped by this build since the observers don't do anything and I've invested resources into robo+observatory.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
July 18 2009 07:26 GMT
#88
On July 18 2009 04:54 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
In order to pick off the MM in one shot though, he would have to focus fire. That is beyond the abilities of most D+ protoss players. Losing your first tanks devastates this build more than losing the first marines though.

Yesterday I miss-microed terribly, lost my first tanks, and got run over by scouts

On July 15 2009 23:15 GreEny K wrote:
"If you look like this, youre in good shape"

I wouldnt agree with that, if the P has ANY idea what he is doing he will have his goons at your choke and will micro back, so when you stim and move forward your tanks fall back and the toss can just hold position and then move back. Also if you do this slightly wrong and get scouted he will get speed lotz or a reaver and destroy you. BTW i think i played you on a smurf account and you tried this, I did what i said above and just added gates speedlotz and took 2 expos. the game was over in 14 minutes or so, i even made a Pylon heart in the bottom left of Destination, by the third expo.


Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, there are 100 things that beat this build. I know this very well. The point is to try a different build than one fac expo. It is an intense build, and fun win or lose. Pretty wimpy of you not to tell me who you were though. It isn't like I'm going to go and check my reps. I lose with this build probably 50% of the time.


I was trace_the-ace, i wasnt trying to hide that i just didnt know you wanted it. Also this build is countered by MANY different responses as someone said earlier which is why i hate it. Im p and when i counter this (99% of the time) the terran always rage quits, always saying "who gets legs taht fast noob, if i did normal play i woulda raped you" and i think to myself, if you did normal play i wouldnt have gotten legs this fast retard... Not you in particular but a lot of noobs respond to loss with that false sense of security in themselves. And teh guy with the 300 apm and only 141 eapm is just lol. Since you can get that high apm try making them actually usefull and effective, I get 200 apm and the eapm is 190-195 depending on if im tired or not if i am i go 160 apm and the eapm is 150 mostly. Its not about speed its how you use it..... BUT SPEED HELPS!!


Sorry, we never played. As I have said repeatedly, there are many counters to this build. The purpose is to enjoy playing BW in a different way. The people in your example aren't having a good time no matter what they try.
ModeratorGodfather
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
July 18 2009 12:38 GMT
#89
Is EAPM the same as VAPM on BWchart?
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 18 2009 13:29 GMT
#90
A more interesting build tvp in my opinion is going 14 cc and then add 2 rax and rush academy + range upgrade with 2 bunkers (to deal with goons - most p's tries to break you with range goons followed by dts). This also transists into m&m+tank but you have an amazingly good econ if you defend it and can usually overwhelm him with m&m before he has storm. Obviously it doesn't work well for D players, because it's extremely timing and micro intensive...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
July 18 2009 13:31 GMT
#91
On July 18 2009 21:38 gumbum8 wrote:
Is EAPM the same as VAPM on BWchart?

no
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
July 18 2009 19:50 GMT
#92
This build can caught your enemy offguard pretty easily, but if you're opponents goes reaver/dt, you are screwed as fuck

My eapm is 100 or something like that and i've reached c+ pretty easily last season (PROTOSS POWA)

Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 21:27:48
July 18 2009 21:12 GMT
#93
I had this done to me in Highlander Luckily I went DT rush so my opponent alt_QQed the moment his scan went out. ^^ When i ran my dt's in i was quite suprised to see that many marines / tanks + medics that quick never saw it before. Then I found this thread.
Starcraft 2 - Beta
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
July 20 2009 22:45 GMT
#94
This build works surprisingly well hahaha
Thanks Mani!
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 21 2009 16:39 GMT
#95
If vapm is not the same as eapm in BWchart is there a program that does tell you your eapm? Im assuming there is, can someone give me a link to a dl please. thanks.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
July 21 2009 16:57 GMT
#96
On July 07 2009 17:22 GTR wrote:
here is my variation, 1fac FE into 2fac tank/6 rax (known as deep six)
[image loading]

works really well imo

although i cant believe that guy was d+


Deep 6 was more than just that though. You were also supposed to use drops, EMP, nukes, and ridiculously awkward defensive base building

Mani people usually use 3 rax for this build, I have seen it many times on ICCup vs good koreans. It's pretty rape if you dont' see it coming.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
July 21 2009 21:15 GMT
#97
On July 18 2009 22:31 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 21:38 gumbum8 wrote:
Is EAPM the same as VAPM on BWchart?

no


ok.

And where can you see your EAPM?
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
July 21 2009 22:57 GMT
#98
This is a great build if your opponent doesn't see it coming, but it gets destroyed if they see it.

Denying scouting is a huge part of this build.



Really fun though!!! Nice write up
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
July 21 2009 23:43 GMT
#99
On July 22 2009 01:57 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 17:22 GTR wrote:
here is my variation, 1fac FE into 2fac tank/6 rax (known as deep six)
[image loading]

works really well imo

although i cant believe that guy was d+


Deep 6 was more than just that though. You were also supposed to use drops, EMP, nukes, and ridiculously awkward defensive base building

Mani people usually use 3 rax for this build, I have seen it many times on ICCup vs good koreans. It's pretty rape if you dont' see it coming.


Yeah I get all chicken though and get too many tanks (thus the D guide). I generally get the third rax much too late, making my first attack too vulnerable.
ModeratorGodfather
generic88
Profile Joined December 2008
United States118 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 05:26:40
July 24 2009 05:22 GMT
#100
Here's one of my funnier attempts.

The following is a 39:19 minute D rank TvP on Destination featuring Terran Infantry used throughout. As well as a couple nukes thrown in for fun.

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=17472

If only I had faster fingers!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL: GosuLeague
19:00
Semi Finals
Hejek vs Aeternum
Semih vs TousaN
ZZZero.O75
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 653
Nina 242
IndyStarCraft 185
UpATreeSC 122
ProTech80
Livibee 76
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2504
EffOrt 646
Hyuk 166
Dewaltoss 147
firebathero 126
actioN 126
ZZZero.O 75
Mong 74
sSak 53
hero 49
[ Show more ]
Aegong 16
yabsab 13
Yoon 13
Dota 2
Gorgc6343
febbydoto15
Counter-Strike
flusha438
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu583
Khaldor226
Other Games
Dendi883
C9.Mang0559
ArmadaUGS177
Fuzer 172
RotterdaM167
markeloff146
Mew2King87
Trikslyr68
QueenE48
RushiSC23
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta26
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 41
• Rasowy 13
• FirePhoenix8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2804
• Ler91
League of Legends
• TFBlade1382
Other Games
• imaqtpie1724
• Shiphtur362
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 18m
The PondCast
14h 18m
RSL Revival
14h 18m
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
WardiTV Invitational
16h 18m
ByuN vs Reynor
Clem vs MaxPax
OSC
16h 48m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 19h
SOOP
2 days
Cure vs Zoun
SC Evo League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Road to EWC
2 days
SOOP Global
2 days
Future vs MaNa
Harstem vs Cham
Circuito Brasileiro de…
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Sziky vs JDConan
Cross vs MadiNho
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Road to EWC
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
UltrA vs TBD
Dewalt vs TBD
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.