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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 07:07:08
July 17 2009 07:06 GMT
#81
141eapm is still pretty insane though for being D rank. I mean I've gotten to B rank (fuck I'm so god damn gosu) on the ICCUP ladder by bashing those koreans (progamers were my main victims of choice ofc) and I don't think I've ever had a game where my eapm was over 120.

(Yes I play protoss, fuck off.)

So at least you got the speed to be gosu. Now you just have to figure out what to do, and believe it or not, that is the easier part of playing sc. I mean, I bet mani knows as much about strategy and how you should play as semi-progamers, mechanics are the needed ingredient for many of us.

Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
July 17 2009 07:35 GMT
#82
When I first looked at the title, I thought it's just another person tired of doing mech/sk. Just use mnm and 2fact tanks against Z. But, it's TvP.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
BarneyEX
Profile Joined March 2009
Malaysia98 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 11:35:40
July 17 2009 11:34 GMT
#83
Here's my attempt, worked hilariously despite my terrible micro

http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=17062&name=International Cyber Cup vs ArchOn.rep

Seems like every time i take terran, the opponent seem instantly swap to toss
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
July 17 2009 13:05 GMT
#84
I agree, that was a hilariously bad game, and you stomped him completely. D rank terran powa!
ModeratorGodfather
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
July 17 2009 19:52 GMT
#85
On July 17 2009 16:06 Jonoman92 wrote:
141eapm is still pretty insane though for being D rank. I mean I've gotten to B rank (fuck I'm so god damn gosu) on the ICCUP ladder by bashing those koreans (progamers were my main victims of choice ofc) and I don't think I've ever had a game where my eapm was over 120.

(Yes I play protoss, fuck off.)

So at least you got the speed to be gosu. Now you just have to figure out what to do, and believe it or not, that is the easier part of playing sc. I mean, I bet mani knows as much about strategy and how you should play as semi-progamers, mechanics are the needed ingredient for many of us.



Yea, I have the discipline of a crack a ferret, and I'm also focusing on 2:2 right now, so I probably won't try 1:1 for a good bit of time.

Even with 140 EAPM over 12 minutes, sometimes my macro fails totally if I'm in a bad situation/microing particularly hard for some reason, particularly when I have random partner.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 17 2009 19:54 GMT
#86
On July 16 2009 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
In order to pick off the MM in one shot though, he would have to focus fire. That is beyond the abilities of most D+ protoss players. Losing your first tanks devastates this build more than losing the first marines though.

Yesterday I miss-microed terribly, lost my first tanks, and got run over by scouts

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 23:15 GreEny K wrote:
"If you look like this, youre in good shape"

I wouldnt agree with that, if the P has ANY idea what he is doing he will have his goons at your choke and will micro back, so when you stim and move forward your tanks fall back and the toss can just hold position and then move back. Also if you do this slightly wrong and get scouted he will get speed lotz or a reaver and destroy you. BTW i think i played you on a smurf account and you tried this, I did what i said above and just added gates speedlotz and took 2 expos. the game was over in 14 minutes or so, i even made a Pylon heart in the bottom left of Destination, by the third expo.


Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, there are 100 things that beat this build. I know this very well. The point is to try a different build than one fac expo. It is an intense build, and fun win or lose. Pretty wimpy of you not to tell me who you were though. It isn't like I'm going to go and check my reps. I lose with this build probably 50% of the time.


I was trace_the-ace, i wasnt trying to hide that i just didnt know you wanted it. Also this build is countered by MANY different responses as someone said earlier which is why i hate it. Im p and when i counter this (99% of the time) the terran always rage quits, always saying "who gets legs taht fast noob, if i did normal play i woulda raped you" and i think to myself, if you did normal play i wouldnt have gotten legs this fast retard... Not you in particular but a lot of noobs respond to loss with that false sense of security in themselves. And teh guy with the 300 apm and only 141 eapm is just lol. Since you can get that high apm try making them actually usefull and effective, I get 200 apm and the eapm is 190-195 depending on if im tired or not if i am i go 160 apm and the eapm is 150 mostly. Its not about speed its how you use it..... BUT SPEED HELPS!!
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
July 18 2009 02:01 GMT
#87
This build seems to be getting fairly popular at the D+ level. I faced it 3-4 times in the ~20 PvTs I played. Whenever my probe scout is denied by a wall, I go super safe 2 gate obs before expo in case T goes 2 fact. But that gets raped by this build since the observers don't do anything and I've invested resources into robo+observatory.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
July 18 2009 07:26 GMT
#88
On July 18 2009 04:54 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
In order to pick off the MM in one shot though, he would have to focus fire. That is beyond the abilities of most D+ protoss players. Losing your first tanks devastates this build more than losing the first marines though.

Yesterday I miss-microed terribly, lost my first tanks, and got run over by scouts

On July 15 2009 23:15 GreEny K wrote:
"If you look like this, youre in good shape"

I wouldnt agree with that, if the P has ANY idea what he is doing he will have his goons at your choke and will micro back, so when you stim and move forward your tanks fall back and the toss can just hold position and then move back. Also if you do this slightly wrong and get scouted he will get speed lotz or a reaver and destroy you. BTW i think i played you on a smurf account and you tried this, I did what i said above and just added gates speedlotz and took 2 expos. the game was over in 14 minutes or so, i even made a Pylon heart in the bottom left of Destination, by the third expo.


Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, there are 100 things that beat this build. I know this very well. The point is to try a different build than one fac expo. It is an intense build, and fun win or lose. Pretty wimpy of you not to tell me who you were though. It isn't like I'm going to go and check my reps. I lose with this build probably 50% of the time.


I was trace_the-ace, i wasnt trying to hide that i just didnt know you wanted it. Also this build is countered by MANY different responses as someone said earlier which is why i hate it. Im p and when i counter this (99% of the time) the terran always rage quits, always saying "who gets legs taht fast noob, if i did normal play i woulda raped you" and i think to myself, if you did normal play i wouldnt have gotten legs this fast retard... Not you in particular but a lot of noobs respond to loss with that false sense of security in themselves. And teh guy with the 300 apm and only 141 eapm is just lol. Since you can get that high apm try making them actually usefull and effective, I get 200 apm and the eapm is 190-195 depending on if im tired or not if i am i go 160 apm and the eapm is 150 mostly. Its not about speed its how you use it..... BUT SPEED HELPS!!


Sorry, we never played. As I have said repeatedly, there are many counters to this build. The purpose is to enjoy playing BW in a different way. The people in your example aren't having a good time no matter what they try.
ModeratorGodfather
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
July 18 2009 12:38 GMT
#89
Is EAPM the same as VAPM on BWchart?
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 18 2009 13:29 GMT
#90
A more interesting build tvp in my opinion is going 14 cc and then add 2 rax and rush academy + range upgrade with 2 bunkers (to deal with goons - most p's tries to break you with range goons followed by dts). This also transists into m&m+tank but you have an amazingly good econ if you defend it and can usually overwhelm him with m&m before he has storm. Obviously it doesn't work well for D players, because it's extremely timing and micro intensive...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
July 18 2009 13:31 GMT
#91
On July 18 2009 21:38 gumbum8 wrote:
Is EAPM the same as VAPM on BWchart?

no
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
July 18 2009 19:50 GMT
#92
This build can caught your enemy offguard pretty easily, but if you're opponents goes reaver/dt, you are screwed as fuck

My eapm is 100 or something like that and i've reached c+ pretty easily last season (PROTOSS POWA)

Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 21:27:48
July 18 2009 21:12 GMT
#93
I had this done to me in Highlander Luckily I went DT rush so my opponent alt_QQed the moment his scan went out. ^^ When i ran my dt's in i was quite suprised to see that many marines / tanks + medics that quick never saw it before. Then I found this thread.
Starcraft 2 - Beta
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
July 20 2009 22:45 GMT
#94
This build works surprisingly well hahaha
Thanks Mani!
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 21 2009 16:39 GMT
#95
If vapm is not the same as eapm in BWchart is there a program that does tell you your eapm? Im assuming there is, can someone give me a link to a dl please. thanks.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
July 21 2009 16:57 GMT
#96
On July 07 2009 17:22 GTR wrote:
here is my variation, 1fac FE into 2fac tank/6 rax (known as deep six)
[image loading]

works really well imo

although i cant believe that guy was d+


Deep 6 was more than just that though. You were also supposed to use drops, EMP, nukes, and ridiculously awkward defensive base building

Mani people usually use 3 rax for this build, I have seen it many times on ICCup vs good koreans. It's pretty rape if you dont' see it coming.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
July 21 2009 21:15 GMT
#97
On July 18 2009 22:31 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2009 21:38 gumbum8 wrote:
Is EAPM the same as VAPM on BWchart?

no


ok.

And where can you see your EAPM?
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
July 21 2009 22:57 GMT
#98
This is a great build if your opponent doesn't see it coming, but it gets destroyed if they see it.

Denying scouting is a huge part of this build.



Really fun though!!! Nice write up
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
July 21 2009 23:43 GMT
#99
On July 22 2009 01:57 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 17:22 GTR wrote:
here is my variation, 1fac FE into 2fac tank/6 rax (known as deep six)
&#91;image loading&#93;

works really well imo

although i cant believe that guy was d+


Deep 6 was more than just that though. You were also supposed to use drops, EMP, nukes, and ridiculously awkward defensive base building

Mani people usually use 3 rax for this build, I have seen it many times on ICCup vs good koreans. It's pretty rape if you dont' see it coming.


Yeah I get all chicken though and get too many tanks (thus the D guide). I generally get the third rax much too late, making my first attack too vulnerable.
ModeratorGodfather
generic88
Profile Joined December 2008
United States118 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 05:26:40
July 24 2009 05:22 GMT
#100
Here's one of my funnier attempts.

The following is a 39:19 minute D rank TvP on Destination featuring Terran Infantry used throughout. As well as a couple nukes thrown in for fun.

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=17472

If only I had faster fingers!
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