Well, not that APM has a 100% correlation to skill, but as a 250 APM D- Terran, I will use this if I start playing against tosses.

A toss with 400 points defeated me on bluestorm.

My 1:1 is a joke. ~_~

I can't imagine why a well-refined bionic build wouldn't work in the hands of a courageous Terran player, assuming the timing attack is worked down to extremely high levels of accuracy.

Manifesto7

Osaka27154 Posts

July 15 2009 06:02 GMT

#62

How on earth are you D- with 250 APM. What are you doing with it all? I'm not trying to be rude, but I almost never top 115.

Jonoman92

United States9104 Posts

July 15 2009 06:29 GMT

#63

Yea that's pretty incredible. Whats your eapm (effective apm)? Google seach bwrepinfo and download that to find out. ~~Maybe~~ you do a ton of pointless actions.

DreamScaR

Canada2127 Posts

July 15 2009 06:54 GMT

#64

I think he just holds down the 1 key at the start to get 2000+ apm and just cruises from there on.

iPF[Div]

Spain572 Posts

July 15 2009 07:02 GMT

#65

looks like youve got quite an influence mani, terrans have been trying this to me quite often recently. However i'm an agressive player, and the crusher gets crushed by dblgate goon with goons rallied infront of terran's nat.

Manifesto7

Osaka27154 Posts

July 15 2009 07:24 GMT

#66

You, sir, are obviously not a D protoss :p

iPF[Div]

Spain572 Posts

July 15 2009 07:26 GMT

#67

im D+ >_< fucking koreans/smurfs/koreans.

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

July 15 2009 14:15 GMT

#68

"If you look like this, youre in good shape"

I wouldnt agree with that, if the P has ANY idea what he is doing he will have his goons at your choke and will micro back, so when you stim and move forward your tanks fall back and the toss can just hold position and then move back. Also if you do this slightly wrong and get scouted he will get speed lotz or a reaver and destroy you. BTW i think i played you on a smurf account and you tried this, I did what i said above and just added gates speedlotz and took 2 expos. the game was over in 14 minutes or so, i even made a Pylon heart in the bottom left of Destination, by the third expo.

generic88

United States118 Posts

July 15 2009 15:41 GMT

#69

If the Protoss micros his goons you simply have to micro your Tank/Marine combo against it.

It isn't too hard and it is do-able, you just have to pay attention and micro.

Attack Dragoons with Tanks first, as soon as your Tanks get a shot off or the Dragoons start to move forward, move your tanks back and your MnM forward to intercept. Shoot the Dragoons with the tanks again from behind the MnM line, if the Dragoons focus on them, otherwise keep moving your tanks back and let the MnM do the damage.
Rinse and Repeat.

Tank/Bio is actually quite effective against Protoss in the early game, even the mid-game if he goes for Reaver Tech. Once he gets Storm however, it's GG.

ghermination

United States2851 Posts

July 15 2009 15:57 GMT

#70

Well, thanks mani. I just played against this on iccup and it was an easy win, although the timing was terrible. I think he pushed out sometime around 7 minutes, and i actually managed to kill him before my shitty internet dropped me like it always does. Basically it was nearly 2 control groups of goons/zeals + 1 or 2 templars vs. some mnm's and 3 tanks. Maybe the guy was just terrible, or maybe 2gate counters this. Who knows.

iPF[Div]

Spain572 Posts

July 16 2009 04:01 GMT

#71

On July 16 2009 00:41 generic88 wrote:
If the Protoss micros his goons you simply have to micro your Tank/Marine combo against it.

It isn't too hard and it is do-able, you just have to pay attention and micro.

Attack Dragoons with Tanks first, as soon as your Tanks get a shot off or the Dragoons start to move forward, move your tanks back and your MnM forward to intercept. Shoot the Dragoons with the tanks again from behind the MnM line, if the Dragoons focus on them, otherwise keep moving your tanks back and let the MnM do the damage.
Rinse and Repeat.

Tank/Bio is actually quite effective against Protoss in the early game, even the mid-game if he goes for Reaver Tech. Once he gets Storm however, it's GG.

uh any decent toss player will just pick off your m&m instead of aiming for the tanks.

Manifesto7

Osaka27154 Posts

July 16 2009 04:11 GMT

#72

In order to pick off the MM in one shot though, he would have to focus fire. That is beyond the abilities of most D+ protoss players. Losing your first tanks devastates this build more than losing the first marines though.

Yesterday I miss-microed terribly, lost my first tanks, and got run over by scouts

On July 15 2009 23:15 GreEny K wrote:
"If you look like this, youre in good shape"

I wouldnt agree with that, if the P has ANY idea what he is doing he will have his goons at your choke and will micro back, so when you stim and move forward your tanks fall back and the toss can just hold position and then move back. Also if you do this slightly wrong and get scouted he will get speed lotz or a reaver and destroy you. BTW i think i played you on a smurf account and you tried this, I did what i said above and just added gates speedlotz and took 2 expos. the game was over in 14 minutes or so, i even made a Pylon heart in the bottom left of Destination, by the third expo.

Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, there are 100 things that beat this build. I know this very well. The point is to try a different build than one fac expo. It is an intense build, and fun win or lose. Pretty wimpy of you not to tell me who you were though. It isn't like I'm going to go and check my reps. I lose with this build probably 50% of the time.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

July 16 2009 04:34 GMT

#73

How does this build compare to 2 factory? I like to get double vult upgrades and abuse their speed & P's lack of observers (if they went fast expo).

doktorLucifer

United States855 Posts

July 16 2009 04:41 GMT

#74

On July 15 2009 15:02 Manifesto7 wrote:
How on earth are you D- with 250 APM. What are you doing with it all? I'm not trying to be rude, but I almost never top 115.

My game-sense and discipline is like that of a retarded rabbit's. I'll defend things like probe harass/wall harass/ but I'll do dumb things like make my second CC, try to float it, and realize that I should've added more facts ASAP after 2nd CC is made, or I will try FD and fail miserably.

As I said, my 1:1 gamesense is garbage.

I play a bit of 2:2, so ofc my 1:1 will be nonsense.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5240/07152009214050.png

I am DawnOvHammer. I think Organdonor was my ally, and I think I lost that game really badly due to my own poor decision making. ~_~

Manifesto7

Osaka27154 Posts

July 16 2009 04:50 GMT

#75

I'd murder to have hands like that hahaha.

Well, good luck

Hopefully your game sense comes around (but when it does don't play me please).

doktorLucifer

United States855 Posts

July 16 2009 04:54 GMT

#76

On July 16 2009 13:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
I'd murder to have hands like that hahaha.

Well, good luck

Hopefully your game sense comes around (but when it does don't play me please).

Thanks, and I'll keep this in mind. Kekek

YPang

United States4024 Posts

July 16 2009 05:00 GMT

#77

On July 16 2009 13:41 Thesecretaznman wrote:

Show nested quote +

300 apm 141 eapm, thats a lot of spam @_@

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

July 16 2009 05:04 GMT

#78

Well, it was only a 12 min game. His redundancy is probably lower in longer games.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

July 16 2009 05:05 GMT

#79

On July 16 2009 13:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
I'd murder to have hands like that hahaha.

In order to acquire the hand of god, you must kill your best friend

doktorLucifer

United States855 Posts

July 16 2009 07:18 GMT

#80

On July 16 2009 14:04 infinity21 wrote:
Well, it was only a 12 min game. His redundancy is probably lower in longer games.

I actually keep spamming even in longer games. My useless APM will drop when my wrist explodes. The only kind of multitask I can do is move around my army of tanks/vultures into a thousand zealots, while macroing.

I can't control dropships well at all. TT