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Well this maybe you know how to counter this kind of Protoss game (im terran).
The protoss starts with range goons and and he keeps bulking units and then he expands a lil late but not too much, and he camps outside of my base with nearly ALL of his units and with several observers he see any possible drop attempt, he rally points his units to the exit of my base suddenly he starts expoint like HELL!, and when i scan this im pretty much in a hurry to stop him or else ill be overwhelmed so most of the time i grab like 8 SCVs in the front, all my tanks and vultures and Attack "NaDa Style" but since ALL of his units are waiting for me and he is expecting me to do this he rape my ass bigtime.
If i try to move his units back its pretty hard because if i siege with no mines enough and turrets he attacks and generally beat my ass, and if i start a turtle push from my main he will have an unstopabble economy.
So what do should i do?, i thinked about mass drop (4+dropships) to force him spread his units but its risky if he surrounds me with obs.
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Don't try to do anything "Nada style"
Maybe you should build turrets to get his observers out of your base, then go cliff dropping with gols/tanks
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his units can only get so close...I'll assume it's LT so try to stick tanks on your cliff if you think the protoss is going to do that, the tanks with the extra range should distance the protoss a bit.
get your ebay up for turrets to kill his obs and if he's got all his units at your entrance try maybe to get an expansion secured some where else and maybe harass his main with tank/vul/gol drops to make him spread his units out
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macro better and or push slower to exp --;
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just work on more harass, if he cannot build that many units due to low econ your in good shape, then after you have done this, match him for expos and go nada style and you should be ok 
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i dont see how he can possibly do that vs your ledge advantage... 1 tank is enough to push his units far away from your base. Just do standard terran...?
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baal u just need to play WAY more games. If a protoss is expoing everywhere he will have no units to stop a push. Oh also its a good idea to make factorys.
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Norway10161 Posts
frigin' newbies
I know exactly what you are talking about - good macro toss is like the bitch itself to stop.
Basicly you can rule out vulture harass, because every toss woth his $2 will have 2 cannons at every exp, but the key is still harass while slowpushing if his army match yours..do mass drops while pushing and genrerally be the gayest you can.
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yah
its hard to fight face to face, like nada style
you always get crushed
the best thing u can do is to do a gayest terran
harass
=/
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good advice guy gay the player.
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On December 12 2003 02:16 Nextel wrote:
baal u just need to play WAY more games. If a protoss is expoing everywhere he will have no units to stop a push. Oh also its a good idea to make factorys.
lol stfu nextel like you were good, or do you want me to remember how badly you were owned in my lil tournament?
i cant vult harass because his semi circle is so closed that the vults rarely will come out of there alive, i think ill kill obs and siege outside of his vision, maybe with the confussion i can win a lil advantage.
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simple 2 factory vulture kills what you described with ease.
you suck@bw k hf.
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You should probably be pushing out faster than you already are to establish some map control. It's all about map control. Get a few tanks (6-8) a dozen vultures and start pushin.' Probably wanna defend your mins though because most good protosses drop and try to hurt your economy while you are busy pushin'
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2 cannons buys time vs vulture harrass, it doesnt stop it
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because cannons are the answer to all of life's questions, right?
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2 cannons stops vults cold.
it stops it.
period.
what you clearly failed to understand that the issue of cannons is irrelevant because a protoss will not have them.
goons out.
vults around.
maybe goon blocking ramp.
but probably not.
no obs 100%.
g g.
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On December 12 2003 02:46 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
frigin' newbies
I know exactly what you are talking about - good macro toss is like the bitch itself to stop.
Basicly you can rule out vulture harass, because every toss woth his $2 will have 2 cannons at every exp, but the key is still harass while slowpushing if his army match yours..do mass drops while pushing and genrerally be the gayest you can. Dont encourage that gayness
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baal, dont listen to any of these people, they dont know what they are talkign about. i cna help you but yoru question is way too broad, show me a rep and ill help you.
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yeah dont listen to me i clearly dont know what i was talking about
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i wasnt aware that a protoss could camp vs. a terran, is it even possible? i only can see a terran camping.
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Casper do you have an acc that i might know?
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baal if I'm reading you right, toss is keeping his goons at home long enough to block a 2 fac vult build, making Cas's advice kind of irrelevant.
Either way, try fast expanding. That would certainly stop that particular toss build from doing shit. You'd have just as much trouble with other shit, but if you get sick of losing to that, fast expanding is a sure way to lose to something else, at the least.
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the only thing irrelevant is your mom!
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vulture micro early game wont let it come that far because his eco will sux ass and when ur done annoying him with vultures u should have set up an expand alrdy and be massing urself so he wont be able to camp because u have the upper advantage ~~
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Put some images of what are you talking about plz. Don't understand how the protos blocks you with goons 
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IF you play a decent toss, here are the options I see :
- 1 fact exp.
Research siege first. build 2nd fact quickly search mine.
As soon as you get exp running, get 4 more fact. If you do that your army will be stronger than his. Your push will be quite easy (unless you go out after 20min.)
BUT you should be careful of : rush drop DT, drop reaver, 8goons+drop4zealot.
- 2 fact vult rush
you have to micro like hell. If you can't do any damage, you may leave the game immediately.
- 2 fact push
Very difficult. Especially if you do nothing else.
Toss will delay your push while expanding
- 1 fact drop
Won't work unless you are Boxer. Or unless opponent goes for a gay drop strat and is away from his base when u come.
The main advice I can give is : Don't go for only one strat.
You have to push, while you drop his main, while you vult rush his exp...
If you push or drop or vult rush, most of time you'll loose.
My 2 cents.
S.
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On December 12 2003 08:08 HovZ wrote:
baal, dont listen to any of these people, they dont know what they are talkign about. ur sad
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Hehe hovz doesn't know what he's talking about either
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On December 12 2003 12:01 sardaukhan wrote:
1 fact drop
Won't work unless you are Boxer..
Why not ?The purpose isn't to kill all his probes with your 2 tanks of course!
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About your problem , it looks like you can expo before the protoss.Do it and start your push ASAP.Nada style(as it really is Nada style to stay in his base and leave with a lot of tanks) is really lame IMO .There's something called Chrh style ,leaving with 4-5t/4-5 vulcs ASAP and start the invasion from the start .This is much better .
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
cas is right you are all wrong
anyways every single post i see on these forums about "how to beat this how to beat that" is coming from people who have obvious macro and micro problems that makes them feel as if the other race/build is superior. get faster or something :[
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obviously there are only 7-10 people on this forum who can play the game at a high level,why not just humour the ones who cant instead of insulting them rekrul?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
ummm, that wasn't an insult you moron, it was guidance
gw.
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oh you were guiding them,my mistake i apologize.
i mean instead of saying shit like 'dont suck' or 'get faster' why not just talk strategy with them?some people dont have time to play anymore then 2-3 games a day and get as amazing at bw as you are rekrul.
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On December 12 2003 08:08 HovZ wrote:
baal, dont listen to any of these people, they dont know what they are talkign about. i cna help you but yoru question is way too broad, show me a rep and ill help you.
you are so freaking arrogant it's sad.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 12 2003 15:34 TranCe wrote:
oh you were guiding them,my mistake i apologize.
i mean instead of saying shit like 'dont suck' or 'get faster' why not just talk strategy with them?some people dont have time to play anymore then 2-3 games a day and get as amazing at bw as you are rekrul.
if they dont have the time to get good and just play for fun why do they care enough to post a on a message board to get gosu strats?
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Norway28727 Posts
maybe they want to get better without spending as much time as they'd have to spend without posting on message boards to get gosu strats?
^_^
only problem is that the advice given by the "gosu" players here is often not valid for people who lack in the micro/macro department.
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playing for fun doesn't mean you dont still play to win,that said read drones post.
"maybe they want to get better without spending as much time as they'd have to spend without posting on message boards to get gosu strats?"
-they lost to some strat and cant understand nor have the time to understand why,so they ask advice on how to beat it,is that bad?
-are these threads bad for teamliquid.net or something rekrul?i find some of the most honest non flaming debating in these sort of threads,with great information for people who dont play hours of bw everyday.that is until people come in with comments like "get faster" "learn bw"
"only problem is that the advice given by the "gosu" players here is often not valid for people who lack in the micro/macro department."
-humour them
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that's funny seeing this post just after reading another post said that decent terran is invisible for protoss
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On December 12 2003 15:35 BlackJack wrote: Show nested quote +On December 12 2003 08:08 HovZ wrote:
baal, dont listen to any of these people, they dont know what they are talkign about. i cna help you but yoru question is way too broad, show me a rep and ill help you. you are so freaking arrogant it's sad.
u suck so bad its sad
LoL
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I like StarCraft, only can play a few games every week, I'm a forever_looser I know, nevertheless I want to read strategies and listen to some of you on how to do this or react to that... this is the passion, the real thing comes at the end of the countdown, in the last beep, when I have to start moving the peons, all that I heard or learn turns into a SHIT... bigtime LMAO. Help to people like us, be human 
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Trance is right though, everytime I see Rekrul posting it's a provoking post ^_^, but no-one dares to flame back because he or she would get banned, or would get disliked by the bandwagon asslicking people!
No offence to Rekrul, just stating the obvious.
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Trance I need you at my msn list because you are dead sexy!
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On December 12 2003 16:35 Twisted wrote:
Trance is right though, everytime I see Rekrul posting it's a provoking post ^_^, but no-one dares to flame back because he or she would get banned, or would get disliked by the bandwagon asslicking people!
No offence to Rekrul, just stating the obvious.
ive met rekrul and I can tell you that he doesnt talk smack offline. he really tries to be a tough guy online.
LoL Rekrul = neck snapped
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Duh, everyone is nice irl
Except for hovz, THUG4LIFE
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
bASeS you said you were going to punch me in my head IRL and when I confonted to it u about it U backed down like the little pussy you are!
OWNED SNAP CRACKLE POP
EDIT: FUCK
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 12 2003 16:35 Twisted wrote:
Trance is right though, everytime I see Rekrul posting it's a provoking post ^_^, but no-one dares to flame back because he or she would get banned, or would get disliked by the bandwagon asslicking people!
No offence to Rekrul, just stating the obvious.
people who flame me in a smart or constructive manner would never get banned
look at RickJSanchez's post on CPL about me, it's the biggest flame ever but hilarious so no ban!
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On December 12 2003 16:10 bASesinAtOR wrote: Show nested quote +On December 12 2003 15:35 BlackJack wrote: On December 12 2003 08:08 HovZ wrote:
baal, dont listen to any of these people, they dont know what they are talkign about. i cna help you but yoru question is way too broad, show me a rep and ill help you. you are so freaking arrogant it's sad. u suck so bad its sad LoL
not funny. find something better to do, newbie.
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Russian Federation772 Posts
how would a moderate drop in his base or wherever not work? if he has obs to see drop he's going to have units in his base, but if he has units in his base he's lacking units in his 'contain' so you could simply push him out. am i wrong?
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On December 12 2003 17:07 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
bASeS you said you were going to punch me in my head IRL and when I confonted to it u about it U backed down like the little pussy you are!
OWNED SNAP CRACKLE POP
EDIT: FUCK
i didn't punch u in the head eusaueb idtned natw uyo to vhea na xucsee hnwe eye oeownd yuo ockcksucre
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2 dropships, tanks/vults, draw him off of middle and mass
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some speedshuts stop that bullshit
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Ur not talking bullshit i find it gay to play against so that is why i used the word bs. no offence on u.
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speed shuttles cost a lot. if they can afford speed shuttles and still manage to camp him, he must be doing something wrong
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It is cost effecient. U need speed shutlle mid game vs such terrans. Dropships cost money and ur using units to. Its yust a good reaction to get speed shutlle.
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How about running vults out...
Put a tank on the edge of your base... example at 3 the bottom left corner... he runs his guys back a screen... u run vults out...
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baal msg younghov17 on aim if u want help
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gosexy
msg me at younghov17
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He needs to talk to you privately because you don't know that he has no freaking clue what he is talking about. Other forum users know he is full of sugar
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start off with dropship so he cant camp. 1 fac -> 1 starport is gosu build.
P.S.: I was too lazy to see if this was already suggested.
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well he is probably talking about when terran is @9 and protoos waits with all goons and a dropship full of zealots.
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Hovz i will msg u something alright.
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9 and *cringe* 6 are very easy to get contained on.
The main thing I can tell you is that you are not being aggressive enough.
It seems to me that you must be doing a 2 fac Rush style build and Not really using it.. Just sitting back to much. With Terran you have got to get on his ass and stay there .. TvP is all about control.
if protoss gains control you are screwed .
The best thing to do When being contained is to push and push fast . You have to Force the protoss player to spend resources rebuilding units as opposed to expanding. The more time you sit idle the more expansions he will get .
However lets say you manage to kill 4-5 units every so often then that is a Nexus he couldve made..
it Costs a great deal to get a nexus some pylons a few cannons the probes and gateways up at an expansion. You need to force him to cut back on either units or structures . If you are pinned in .. Push hard to the nearest expansion to you While doing dual armory Ups .
Expand there and Macro like a 2 dollar hooker on dime night
You should be expecting him to go carriers. so use whatever strategy works for you vs them . I prefer Goliaths . The key imo is to keep him fighting you at all times. When he pulls back you push forward.. When he attacks you Hold your ground Then push as he limps off.
NEVER EVER EVER lose control
If you should want some pointers I will help you out msg me
x]SS[x Europe or east depending on the time. I ussually hang with some of my real life buddies on east then go to euro for gg's
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This has turned into an argument instead of a strategy post anyways..lol
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On December 12 2003 08:08 HovZ wrote:
baal, dont listen to any of these people, they dont know what they are talkign about. i cna help you but yoru question is way too broad, show me a rep and ill help you.
See how come everyone hates this guy? He's fucking nice. That 'hovz is banned from wgt' is sad T_T
Edit: Nice might be pushing it, but at least he helps people unlike someone I could mention with a red name.
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i find vulture harassment to be quite sexy and prevents containment for the most part, because i got his troops gaurding his expansions/chasing after me. but it does require a lot of multitasking so i dont know if i'd recommend it to you because of that. but drops are nice too. i often 3ds drop people's cliffs, ungaurded expansions and such. and ofcourse push strong, and when a toss attacks ur push and lets say... u lose 2/5 ur stuff, but he walks away with nothing. then gogo! move ur push into his front yard. that will allow u to either end game or at least take down a few expands. which u should expand soon after going out.
use the vultures luke 
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Basically get good with teh vultures. But anyways 1 fac->1starport should do fine with 2 tanks and drop ship, just go for the probes, if he expanded cliff his ledge, and also be multitasking at the same time, like builidng vults/tanks/expo and getting ready to push. micro the drops ships/tanks though it will help. Always try to sneak vultures in and around his bases/expos.
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