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On April 04 2009 08:47 StylishVODs wrote:
Last Update 04-03-09


Pr0v0kat0r:
FD basically means Fake Double. This is because back in the days, 2factory builds was very common, and by making marines tanks and vultures and move out pretty fast you would fool the protoss into thinking that you actually made 2 factories, but instead you take an expansion and get ahead economically.

Nowadays you cannot fake double. FD stands more for fast expansionbuild with marine, tank, vulture + mines.

Nowadays you cannot fake double. FD stands more for fast expansionbuild with marine, tank, vulture + mines.

On April 05 2009 09:28 Grobyc wrote:

Q: When you said

How is that any different than the one used back in the day? Nowadays you say it stands more for fast expansion with marines, tank, and vult w/ mines but isn't that what a FD was back in the day anyway?

On April 05 2009 11:32 StarBrift wrote:


The difference is in the fact that it is not a fake anymore. People know it for what it is when you move out. The timing and unit count are both telltales of the fact that it is an FD build and not a 2 fac. He's merely refering to the fact that it's silly to be called a fake double when everyone knows it's not a double fac.

In conclusion. He is not saying the build itself is different. He's saying the effect of the build is different.

On April 05 2009 18:32 StylishVODs wrote:
Grobyc:
It's true what StarBrift said.
In the past, protoss players might have thought there was another factory and get 2 gates or fast observers etc but nowadays its sucha common opening that it wont have that extra safety aspect.

Thats why the strong FD is good now because some might think its a normal fd and dont take enough safetyprecautions.

I guess you could still fake the double if you dont pull scv of gas or something like that but most of the time its not worth it. It could be worth it if he just get a glimps of your scvs mining gas before marines kills it and then you pull thewm off only to get like 20-30 extra gas.

Thnx starbrift, no i obviously meant 8 factories hehe. If he gets queens, go for 16 factories because he might broodling some of them!

On April 05 2009 11:41 Grobyc wrote:

Oh. Why can't we FD nowadays, does 1gate range expo suddenly > FD expo or something? Why was it a viable build back then but not now?

On April 06 2009 02:08 Harem wrote:

Even with just 1gate nowadays, P can crush FD. ~_~

On April 06 2009 03:28 HooHa! wrote:
FD just looks and sounds really cool. That's why it works. Who doesn't love the sight of like 6 marines and a couple vultures and tanks.

But you should Fake the Fake double.

And just plain Double Fact it.

Often, terran players will get their cc up too late when meching, even if the zerg is droning up.
Usually you can take the natural pretty fast. For example if he's doing hydralisks you could get cc when stim is half way done and cut 2-3 vultures to get it up fast.

On April 08 2009 08:04 Grobyc wrote:
Under TvZ > General Mech tips > Whats the most important thing to think about when meching?

You say stim although you are meching, is that supposed to be vulture speed or mines or something instead?

On April 08 2009 13:16 alexpnd wrote:
I got a question about an easy 3rd map specifically Colliseum. The zerg took his 3rd along with his nat so I changed up my build into something of a mess but I wanted early pressure on his third or to be able to take it out period. I almost had it with like 10 rines, 1 medic. ( I think now I left too early tbh). However he had 2 sunkens up plus ling and I just couldnt do it. Do you have any suggestions as to the timing of this kind of thing? Should I be looking to take out that third ASAP or let it be and wait till I grow?