People call it Robotics Support Bay because if you drag the mouse over the building icon in the UI it shows that that is its full name. The 'Bay' is left off once the building is build for whatever reason.

BlasiuS

United States2405 Posts

June 11 2008 18:50 GMT

#22

On June 12 2008 03:00 Salvatore321 wrote:
I just realised that this is just shy of nine thousand words, yet mentions none of the other matchups. Considering most tri-mu guides are about half this length, it makes me curious whether all this is neccessary

Perhaps you would like to point out which parts are unnecessary.

Salvatore321

Canada12 Posts

June 11 2008 21:59 GMT

#23

I am not saying any of it is unneccessary, I am just saying either Suppy goes into great detail, or not all of it's is necessary.

Archaic

United States4024 Posts

June 11 2008 23:19 GMT

#24

I love this guide. I haven't read it yet, but I will... Some day.
When I get my glasses, I'll get back to this.

EDIT: Read it, and it is exactly as I said. I love it

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

June 11 2008 23:33 GMT

#25

I hope your ZvZ knowledge isn't as great or I'm fucking dead in the Clan Art tournament :p
Nice guide, it'll probably help to rekindle my dying ZvP fire

mikeymoo

Canada7170 Posts

June 11 2008 23:48 GMT

#26

Nicely done. This is huuuuuge props.

GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

June 12 2008 00:00 GMT

#27

Very useful from a P v Z perspective as well. It gives some insight into how a Zerg player will be looking to counter whichever build you're aiming for.

5/5, will read again

ulszz

Jamaica1787 Posts

June 12 2008 00:38 GMT

#28

holy shit this is long, i'll read it though! thanks~

riptide

5673 Posts

June 12 2008 01:41 GMT

#29

Amazing guide. Wow, a much needed thread in the strat forum. I love how you have covered all the major builds and counters, it makes this thread a great reference point to jump back to, and check. I'll definitely be using this in the immediate future.

Now, how about a ZvT and ZvZ? :D

Niji-z

United States208 Posts

June 12 2008 01:44 GMT

#30

Wow. I think I've fallen in love with you. I haven't read the whole thing yet but I read the openers and skimmed the subheadings of the rest of it.. This is exactly what I need! You've just rekindled my urge to mass train. I think I can finally understand zvp now. THANK YOU THANK YOU!

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

June 12 2008 07:13 GMT

#31

superiorwolf are you sure you don't mean F+ ranking? C+?!
haha just messing. nice hard work.

Deleted User 30223

3104 Posts

June 12 2008 07:51 GMT

#32

very very nice. :D

i personally love doing mass hydra/ling instead of ultraling mid/late game, but i'll see if i can control ultraling better in order to make it another regular unit combo for me.

when would it be an okay idea to rush to ultra tech? i tried it once, but epicly failed it.

Ozarugold

2716 Posts

June 12 2008 08:02 GMT

#33

So...nothing with queens then?

Anyways, I like reading articles like these. Clear, concise, simple, and tells you how to act step by step...

Good read good read

blagoonga123

United States2068 Posts

June 12 2008 09:11 GMT

#34

Thanks man :D

Equinox_kr

United States7395 Posts

June 12 2008 13:55 GMT

#35

I took your key timing advice and it helped a lot, thanks. :D

Mhugues

France112 Posts

June 12 2008 19:07 GMT

#36

Great guide, learned a lot from this. Always had a hard time versus Protoss, maybe i will be able to win a few games with this :p

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

June 12 2008 23:49 GMT

#37

Sort of a stupid question but in this picture:

do you mean you should place your overlord in the same place as the overlord in the picture, or do you place it where the mouse pointer is clicking?

BTW this is a great guide.

Superiorwolf

United States5509 Posts

June 13 2008 01:07 GMT

#38

Thanks for all the nice comments guys, glad you appreciate the work - Hopefully some things were useful and also thanks for the constructive criticism and advice - I'll be sure to fix that over the weekend.

To Pagolin - You place the overlord where the pointer is clicking, I remember it because there's a small little niche in that area.

Naib

Hungary4952 Posts

June 13 2008 11:53 GMT

#39

On June 12 2008 03:21 conCentrate9 wrote:
People call it Robotics Support Bay because if you drag the mouse over the building icon in the UI it shows that that is its full name. The 'Bay' is left off once the building is build for whatever reason.

It's often overlooked, but I'm positive it wasn't always that way. I distinctly remember playing somewhere just before BW came out, in school and it showed Robotics Support Bay fully even on the playfield.

raga4ka

Bulgaria5679 Posts

June 13 2008 12:58 GMT

#40

Overpool speed seems the safest and will always force the protoss to make cannons at natural before nexus on most maps , your economy won't be hurt either if you followed it up with hat at natural .