Devourer/muta is really strong against Protoss air, however, the real problem you face is maelstrom plus psi storm. And versus Terran it's irradiation. Your devourers will die very quickly to that shit, and then Protoss or Terran air rapes you.
If devourers were a non-organic unit, i.e. not affected by that (except psi storm), they would be much more useful.
Also, it usually takes quite a while to kill all Protoss air, as they have so much HP/armor or are rebuilt so fast (corsairs).

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

July 27 2007 18:31 GMT

#23

Doctorasul nailed it

Ask gorush as well;

ahk-gosu

Korea (South)2099 Posts

July 27 2007 19:04 GMT

#24

well psi storm and maelstrom will probably be faced whether i make mutas or devourers. both will be equally hindered by these spells.

dont even talk about irradiate cause we are not talking about vs terran.

i dont see maelstrom being used as much as its being praised in this thread but having less devourers and having more mutas seem to work better than what chojja did by just massing pure devourers. the devourers dont benefit much from having spores added to their targets while mutas gain a huge damage boost.

lololol

5198 Posts

July 27 2007 19:57 GMT

#25

Acid spores increase the damage by 9 on each bounce(if the target has 9 spores on it of course) which is usually close to 27 extra damage(for example, against a target with 3 armor muta with max attack ups will deal 9-1-0.5 without spores and 18-10-6.33 damag with spores, which is a bit less than 24 damage increase). Muta/Dev combo is generally much beter than pure devourers(12 devourers+12 mutas beat 24 devourers although they cost much less), but the main problem is that mutas die extremely fast to archons/storm.

Aphelion

United States2720 Posts

July 27 2007 21:37 GMT

#26

If you go devourer muta your more susceptible to DA simply because more units add clutter to be maeled, and also a good sair user can pick off your muta first thing and then you would have no dmg dealer, the same can't be said of devourer hydra.

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

July 28 2007 04:04 GMT

#27

Devourers are mostly support, they fuck sairs because they make them shoot slower. And devs have high armor which makes them take less from sairs.
Also they make mutas do more damage with splash etc.

If you wanna know why Zergs don't go all air vs carrier/sair watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Step_8mQ-Fs

edit- lol wtf someone else posted this already.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

July 28 2007 04:41 GMT

#28

Personally I think part of the problem is to get devos you sacrifice muta. To even be moderately feasible, you need a crapload of muta. At this point, you're sacrificing a lot and the Toss can just go with more ground based stuff, making your expensive devos useless.

Or more likely you'll lose them all to corsairs and storm anyways...

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

July 28 2007 05:26 GMT

#29

On July 28 2007 03:31 Plexa wrote:
Doctorasul nailed it

Ask gorush as well;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MyHuM8Un3-w

fuck, that game was so annoying to watch. That whole time toss was trying to take that base on top left he could have been sending cracklings around raping buildings. If the protoss sends sairs and cars over to counter it drop on the left side. Rinse , repeat. Zerg had map control, economic advantage, and mobility advantage.
Terrible.

Andaroo

Canada70 Posts

July 28 2007 08:05 GMT

#30

1 defiler to plague, 1 queen to ensnare, 12 hydras to kill =).

You might need a bit more hydras, but u get the point xD.

XCetron

5226 Posts

July 28 2007 10:17 GMT

#31

On July 28 2007 17:05 Andaroo wrote:
1 defiler to plague, 1 queen to ensnare, 12 hydras to kill =).

You might need a bit more hydras, but u get the point xD.

assuming they dont have DA to feedback or HT to storm the hydras.

RaiZ

2813 Posts

July 28 2007 10:30 GMT

#32

On July 28 2007 17:05 Andaroo wrote:
1 defiler to plague, 1 queen to ensnare, 12 hydras to kill =).

You might need a bit more hydras, but u get the point xD.

Theorycraft... That's good but you need to be extremely lucky to be able to put all those sauces on them. That never happens like we want.
Still you'd want to get devourers since it's the safest way to counter it, but you'd really need a lot of minerals... Defilers + hydras in each base can work but the carriers can simply just kill the hatch while the corsairs disrupt-web the hydras.

Jonoman92

United States9104 Posts

July 28 2007 11:41 GMT

#33

It seems to me that using Devourer/Hydra is much less gas heavy and mutas can get killed by sairs sooo fast expecially if sairs have attack ups and mutas have no defense ups.

Also hydras keep map control and won't be held back from destroying an expo protected by mass cannons like mutas might be (although I guess you could just morph a few guards).

5HITCOMBO

Japan2239 Posts

July 28 2007 15:13 GMT

#34

On July 28 2007 04:04 ahk-gosu wrote:
well psi storm and maelstrom will probably be faced whether i make mutas or devourers. both will be equally hindered by these spells.

dont even talk about irradiate cause we are not talking about vs terran.

i dont see maelstrom being used as much as its being praised in this thread but having less devourers and having more mutas seem to work better than what chojja did by just massing pure devourers. the devourers dont benefit much from having spores added to their targets while mutas gain a huge damage boost.

And get completely raped by a group of sairs in no time flat.

w3jjjj

United States760 Posts

July 29 2007 00:57 GMT

#35

mass ultra/ling before he gets enough carriers --> gg

throw in a few swarm if too many cannons, but ultras/ling isn't scared of anything if u have enough of them.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

July 29 2007 04:27 GMT

#36

On July 29 2007 09:57 w3jjjj wrote:
mass ultra/ling before he gets enough carriers --> gg

throw in a few swarm if too many cannons, but ultras/ling isn't scared of anything if u have enough of them.

thats not relevant at all

YoUr_KiLLeR

United States3420 Posts

July 29 2007 04:38 GMT

#37

ultraling is scared of reavers.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

July 29 2007 05:33 GMT

#38

On July 28 2007 19:30 RaiZ wrote:

Show nested quote +

Theorycraft? I've played games P comes out with 9 carriers out of the blue (dt sair opening with a secret expo) and I would have lost had he massed ground me. with 3 base vs 3. But I simply sweeped him off the floor with plague and hydra. after you plague em it takes 2 scourge to kill a carrier. You might need devourer to take sair fire but you'll take down tons of carrier with scourge/some dev.

Devourer muta is better than going pure dev at least. Devs are so very expensive and do considerably less DPS against sairs. Just plague sairs, send in devs, then send in muta. Scourge after if he has cars. Now thats much much cheaper than making 40 devourers. No?

LxRogue

United States1415 Posts

July 29 2007 07:40 GMT

#39

I just tested the acid spore/muta attack thing, and the secondary bounce did 12 damage to an ovie with 9 acid spores.

PePe QuiCoSE

Argentina1204 Posts

July 29 2007 08:25 GMT

#40

On July 27 2007 18:39 Kwark wrote:
Devourers aren't quite as good as people think against corsairs.
Assuming equal upgrades the corsair does 2.5 damage a hit against a mutalisk (small target)
Assuming equal upgrades the corsair does 3 damage a hit against a devourer
While devourers have far more armour the explosive damage modifier means that they should fare no better than mutalisks. It is because of the vastly increased hp and acid spores that they do. But cost for cost, Corsairs are by far the stronger units, unless Z has a big mineral advantage or plagues to back them up then a straight air battle will be lost.

One thing about this, devourers are far much better because their armor absorbs all the splash damage corsair deal, so that's really why they fare far better than mutas (plus what was said above): because corsair hit 1 dev with each hit, while it hits every muta with each hit (though it depends on attack/armor upgrades with devs).

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