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Mikfly
Canada43 Posts
On July 09 2007 00:33 MyLostTemple wrote: here's my PvT blindfolded luna game. 0p0p0p0pbp0p0p 0p0pba0p0pby 0p0pbp0p0p4d0p 5s0p4d0pbp0p4d <---- 5s = goon range... Its genious, great work. No hotkey for the scout tho? | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On July 12 2007 12:21 Mikfly wrote: Its genious, great work. No hotkey for the scout tho? i hotkey the scouting probe as 8, that way i can use all five fingers at the start of the game. There are a lot of missing hotkeys in that, those are just the ones i usually practice. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
4s4s4s4sbs4s4sbb 8 depot 10 rax 4s4sbr4s4s5m4sbs 12 refin 15 depot 4sbf4s5l4s5v4sbs 16/17 fact (cant remember exactly) 5 (barracks lift to scout) (5v mistype should be c for machine shop) 4sbf4s5ts4sbs4s5t (5 is 1st fact for tank, followed by machine shop siege mode) 6c5t6vbfbf (6 is 2nd fact for machine shop.) i think i would have to play a game and remember, because that is TvP, but sometimes ill 12 rax 12 refin instead of 10 rax 12 refin. | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On July 12 2007 12:50 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: i dont get it OO I have trouble understanding it too. You're supposed to open a Word document, turn off the monitor, and type out the hotkeys you'd use normally in a game? | ||
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dementus
Singapore1151 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:55 davidgurt wrote: I have trouble understanding it too. You're supposed to open a Word document, turn off the monitor, and type out the hotkeys you'd use normally in a game? yes, sorry i should have explained it better. Basically you visualize what you would be building without playing. Then go into single player vs a comp and see if the build is correct. After that repeat the exersize again and again. It helps a lot, post how far along you get each time. Try to get maxed : ] | ||
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Loveless
United States15 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On July 18 2007 08:38 Loveless wrote: i think this is a wonderful excersize but i dont get it D;. Are you saying taht you dont have to use to mouse at all? Can you use hotkeys to move around ur units? nonono think of it like this: One of the hardest parts of SC is making sure your using all the hotkeys. The hotkeys are spread out all over the keyboard and it's hard to know where you need to move your hand next. While there are some actions you can't map out ahead of time, like how many times you'll click to move a dragoon or how many times you need to micro it and hit 'a' to kill a scouting scv, there are things you can map out. This would include things like your opening build 0p0p0p0pbp0p0pbg. I know i will always do that pattern at the start of the game with the keyboard, I've made probes a pylon and a gateway. I also know exactly which fingers to use when doing this. Basically this increases my overall grasp of the game. By doing this exercise in word pad with the monitor off, you can learn to visualize the whole game without actually playing it. Then the hard parts are out of the way and you can actually focus on strategy and micro. | ||
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FastEddieV
United States614 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On July 18 2007 12:36 FastEddieV wrote: When you are doing this exercise, are you also using the F2-4 keys? I've lately found these to be great for saving more hotkeys for your units (although I haven't gotten close to using hotkeys enough/correctly) when your tech is all in one screen. Also useful for watching your choke when you're off doing something with your army or working on macro. Generally there's a moment when you can stop making probes, this also happens to be around the time when you'd be hotkeying your next few gateways [ctrl] 8 [ctrl] 9 [ctrl] 0 Then again if you lost a few probes early you may need to produce anyways, here's what i like to do: Hotkey the nexus screens as f2 f3 f4 (which ever nexus's your producing from) use three diffrent fingers one each and use your thumb on p. it may feel unnatural at first but after a while you'll get used to it. Also, at the start of the game hotkey your screen the locations your rushing. Like if your goon rushing hotkey that screen location as f2, maybe hotkey your ramp as f3 and your upcomming expo as f4. I have to admit i don't do it too often but that's at least something you can do with those keys early on^^ | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
im supposed to play a game in my head and press the hotkeys. And this will help me how? IMO it will only help me find the right key 0.01 second faster and its not worth the time invested. Maybe im missing the point, in that case someone please enlighten me. | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
Just have to shake off the laziness first | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On July 18 2007 15:33 minus_human wrote: I'm looking really doubtful to the effectiveness of all this. Guess there's only one way to convince myself personally... Just have to shake off the laziness first On July 18 2007 14:22 niteReloaded wrote: i must admit i don't really see the point in this. i'm supposed to play a game in my head and press the hotkeys. And this will help me how? IMO it will only help me find the right key 0.01 second faster and its not worth the time invested. Maybe i'm missing the point, in that case someone please enlighten me. get off your asses and do it. i show this to SO many people... in real life and online. only about 5% of them actually take the patience to learn it and master it. They improve drastically. The rest of the people i figure just don't care enough about this game to learn it or are to stubborn/blind to actually force themselves to do something. What I've shown on this thread isn't easy, it takes a while to master this. But if you do your skill will improve. Trust me. Also, understand that practicing this in wordpad is just the first step, the point it to force yourself to watch your hands so you know your using the right fingers. After that you have to go into single player and start applying the new method. Just keep doing it over and over until you start to get the hang of it. It makes sc 10x easier and more fun imo  | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2757 Posts
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Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
On July 09 2007 00:33 MyLostTemple wrote: 0p0p0p0pbp0p0p bg0p0pba0p0pby 0p0pbp0p0p4d0p 5s0p4d0pbp0p4d <---- 5s = goon range 0p0pbn4d0pbp0p 0pbgbg4d0pvr0p 4d5d6d0p9pbp0p 9pvo4d5d6d0p9p bpbp0p9p8obgvc <---- 8o = make observer 4d5d6d0p9p8obp bp4z5z6z7z8s0p 9p8obnl <---- l is zealot legs 0p9pbpbpbgbgbg 4d5d6d7d0p9p8o bpbpbp4z5z6z7d 8d9d0df2pf3pf4p bpbp4z5z6z7z8z9 0zvtvsbpbp4z5z 6z7d8d9d0dbnbp bpvsvabfbf4d5d 6d7d8d9d0bpbp [arb][arb][stasis or recall] Ok, methinks the main reason people aren't getting this is because they're not understanding what you're really doing. It took me a few seconds to realize what you're doing there. You're mapping out your hotkeys. So, every 0p means a probe. So, the first one 0p0p0p0pbp0p0p 5 probe, 6 probe, 7 probe, 8probe build pylon, 9 probe, queued 10th probe. and it continues with bg0p0pba0p0pby build gateway(10), 11probe, 12probe build assimilator, 13 probe, 14probe build cybernetics. But, what I'm not getting is how you're able to apply this in single player. Do you spam "0p" until you hit "0bp" and spam that? Or, do you just use one hotkey, "0p", and leave it as that until you make the other probe?(The latter sounds stupid though, so I'm guessing this isn't the case). Explain it a little further >_<!! I really want to try this ~_~ | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
i tried it now a bit(i must admit im kinda sleepy after work and gym) and i visualized a TvP game; i made a few scvs, a supply, a barax, refinery, factory and a tank and mine upgrade. I cant go any further coz then the game depends on the intelligence i get from my scouting scv. I have no idea how this is gonna help me tho. I will Press B S faster? i will the keys i pressed a milion times a milisecond faster? its not like im learing 50keypress combos. man, please say something else than "trust me its gonna make SC ez". | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
Sc starts up at a very slow pace... slowly it begins to faster and faster and faster. Eventually it's going so fast your left hand never stops moving. Your going so fast you can never take your eyes off the screen and you can never look at your hands once the game goes into late phases. But how do you know where your hand needs to go? What if you knew which keys you were going minutes before you hit them. What if you knew all these keys all the way until you got maxed. Well, the easiest way to do that would be to practice the keyboard patterns without the game on. Lets look at these immages and think about sc further: ![[image loading]](http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/tasteless9/keyboard1.jpg) first break these keys off if you don't, and if your a terran player break the "," key off your keyboard, i've seen a lot of pros do that since they have to hit 'm' with out missing and still play quickly. If anyone is too stubborn or skeptical to do this for GOD SAKE break off the windows keys at least. now look at these: ![[image loading]](http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/tasteless9/keyboardb.jpg) these are all the keys you would hit to 'B'uild a basic protoss building. Notice some are on one side of the keyboard and some are on the other. You always use three fingers to build something as protoss: one finger on the 'b' key one finger on the desired building and another finger on the shift key so your probe can go back to mining minerals. if the building is on the left side of the keyboard you would generally use your index on 'b' another finger in between on 'c' (just for example) and then your pinky on shift. If it was on the right side of the keyboard you would use your pinky on the 'b' key another finger for the building key like 'p' (just for example again) and your thumb on the shift key. ![[image loading]](http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/tasteless9/keyboardv.jpg) Here's the advanced buildings. Look... they're also very spread out. Use the same logic as in the first diagram to map out your hand positions. ![[image loading]](http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/tasteless9/keyboardgateways.jpg) Here's all the keys you would use to make units from the gateways, notice the most used units are on the left side of the keyboard, with this idea in mind we would hotkey the gateways as 4 and up so that the pinky can always hit 'z' or 'd' and then we use the other fingers to bounce across the top number keys. also, those numbers at the top are the order in which i bind the gateways. think of these keyboard patterns as combos like you would in street fighter or notes like you would in a game of beatmania. by getting very used to these patterns you can increase your speed by unimaginable amounts. What's more important though is you can write out your entire builds noting every single action on the keyboard that must be taken. here's a simple combo i sometimes use in PvZ 0p9p8o7o, i made two probes an observer and a corsair, all those keys are right next to each other... and i can do it in less than a second, a simple 8 key combination. the point of this exercise is to force yourself to play the game without actually 'playing' and instead start to really really really master the keyboard patterns in your mind so that when your playing a real game against someone you want to beat your never worrying about when you need to get your next pylon or how many more times you need to make probes before you get a dragoon. for now i would recommend everyone copies that hotkey setup i have. I find it to be very strong and easy to use once you've started to master this. any more questions? | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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