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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
July 08 2007 15:33 GMT
#1
Here's a simple hot key game to help improve skill. We'll start with PvT. The object of the game is to visualize the game without actually playing. I want AS MANY PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE AS POSSIBLE! your skill doesn't mater! But please trust me when i say that if you want to be better at starcraft you have to MASTER what your hands are doing as much as what your brain is doing.

Turn off your monitor and stare at the blank screen. Visualize a starcraft game, PvT on luna. Before turning off your monitor remember what hotkeys you use throughout the whole game. Go between watching your hands and watching the blank screen. If you can't remember the hotkey for something, put it in brakets. Make sure your using the best possible finger location when you preform the exersize. When you finish break up the hotkeys into different lines so when you finish it's more readable. If you have any funny hotkey combos your not sure people will get, mark them on the side.

here's my PvT blindfolded luna game.

0p0p0p0pbp0p0p
bg0p0pba0p0pby
0p0pbp0p0p4d0p
5s0p4d0pbp0p4d <---- 5s = goon range
0p0pbn4d0pbp0p
0pbgbg4d0pvr0p
4d5d6d0p9pbp0p
9pvo4d5d6d0p9p
bpbp0p9p8obgvc <---- 8o = make observer
4d5d6d0p9p8obp
bp4z5z6z7z8s0p
9p8obnl <---- l is zealot legs
0p9pbpbpbgbgbg
4d5d6d7d0p9p8o
bpbpbp4z5z6z7d
8d9d0df2pf3pf4p
bpbp4z5z6z7z8z9
0zvtvsbpbp4z5z
6z7d8d9d0dbnbp
bpvsvabfbf4d5d
6d7d8d9d0bpbp
[arb][arb][stasis or recall]

* i accidentally posted this in the broodwar section rather than the strat section, my bad!

i think i added an extra 4d5d6d7d8d9d0 in there... hm... it's a lot harder to do if you don't have the game running.

There are many errors in that. It's not perfect.
Take your time doing it, that took me about 8 minutes. When I've asked most of my friends to do this they usually don't get past 40 key strokes. Just see how far you can go and then explain your mindset while you were playing. Everyone please try this out : )

Okay! your turn! GOGOGO!
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
July 08 2007 16:28 GMT
#2
O lame, I was up to 21psi and pylon.
Then I accidently pushed something and reset.

Ugh. But it's very hard. Was sorta fun visualizing the game and counting probes.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
July 08 2007 16:41 GMT
#3
What about F2,F3,F4 ? =]
Whats the altitude?
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
July 08 2007 19:58 GMT
#4
your game doesn't seem to involve an opponent, or anything of any interest at all for that matter (and you clearly can't remember the hotkewys for arbiters)
Memory lane in nice
Evilmonkey.
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1628 Posts
July 08 2007 20:07 GMT
#5
On July 09 2007 04:58 Resonate wrote:
your game doesn't seem to involve an opponent, or anything of any interest at all for that matter (and you clearly can't remember the hotkewys for arbiters)


Jesus who spat in your crumpets.

Does this game include the keys we spam, or is it just the important actions that actually do something? Either way, I just tried it and did not get that far. T_T

Oh and what is this suppose to do that will actually help improve our game?
WWBD- What would Boxer do?
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
July 09 2007 02:17 GMT
#6
No spamming. Only the actions that matter. This will teach you to utile the keyboard more and spend less time spamming to increase apm. By doing this you will be able to memorize the exact patterns required to get maxed and never miss pylons. I promise you it helps... otherwise i wouldn't have posted it. This is what korean pro teams do with their players so they can memorize the game better.

Resonate: Your an idiot. Sorry man. I put the arbiter and legs upgrades in brakets so other people could read what i was doing more easily. I suppose some people will suck at this game no mater how much you try to help them. Maybe that's because they spend more time bitching on tl.net and less time mastering techniques like these.

Everyone should post how far along they get. I promise you this will help your game. After you've tried this method a few times go into single player and put the game on slow mode against a computer. Watch your hands while you play and write your hotkey patterns out on a piece of paper next to the computer. This will greatly improve your starcraft muscle memory. I promise <3
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FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
July 09 2007 02:21 GMT
#7
this thread is retarded
There can be only one
Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
July 09 2007 02:30 GMT
#8
frozzor maybe you're an idiot, tasteless sat down and showed me this, its actually an amazing idea, ive been doing it alot, it really helps early game.
aka jamel
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2933 Posts
July 09 2007 02:49 GMT
#9
4p4p4p4pbp4p4pbg4p4pba
4p4pby4pbp4p4p5d[select citadel - s]
4p


agh this is a good idea, must work on it
Fuck KeSPA.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
July 09 2007 02:51 GMT
#10
On July 09 2007 11:49 oshibori_probe wrote:
4p4p4p4pbp4p4pbg4p4pba
4p4pby4pbp4p4p5d[select citadel - s]
4p


agh this is a good idea, must work on it
\

keep it up! i really recommend using 0 for nexus since it's right next to p. If you find it hard to learn, try going into single player on slowest mode and start practicing there.
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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
July 09 2007 03:07 GMT
#11
again he outlines some very powerful information and people are ignoring it and acting like its "retarded". knowing your entire early game on the keyboard is amazingly good. you will never forget an scv or a unit. all of your buildings will be timed correctly. read it and reread it if you actually want to improve.
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Months
Profile Joined July 2005
United States356 Posts
July 09 2007 03:14 GMT
#12
for once i will agree with artosis
aka jamel
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-09 04:05:16
July 09 2007 03:43 GMT
#13
Seems like just a keyboard-oriented & diffrent way to write build orders.

Either your b.o. is non-optimal or your just happened to have one to may 0p. You have it set to build the 2nd pylon at 16psi, 18 to build goon, 21 for range, 25for pylon. Thats one to high for each really. Too lazy to go through the rest.

What would you rather read:

0p0p0p0pbp0p0p
bg0p0pba0p0pby
0p0pbp0p0p4d0p
5s0p4d0pbp0p4d

or

8p, 10G, 12a, 14core, 16p, 18g, 21range, 22g, 25p, 26g


Might be some advantage to it...dunno. Do progamers do this...dunno.
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2Shakur
Profile Joined January 2007
United States23 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-09 04:03:40
July 09 2007 04:00 GMT
#14
its really hard to write down, so this is not 100% accurate or complete

This is my tvp on longinus

3s3s3s3s3sbs3s
bb2s2sbr2s2s3mbs rax wall
bf2s2s2s4c3m2s4t factory, siege
bc5s2s3tbsbe2s2sbs cc to expo,ebay
bfbs2s3t1s2sbs4c 2nd fac, addon
bfbf1a2aba3t4timbs 2 more facts, ion mine
1s2s3t4t5v6vbsbs90bc <-- macro gone wild
when i hotkey comsats, i usually double tap them to get to command center and make scvs

if i follow this pattern, i can max in about 13 minutes and exceed 300 apm. many of you dont realize this, may explain why 80% of koreans have 3 times more apm than you do and just straight piledrive you on iccup.

Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
July 09 2007 04:05 GMT
#15
Is this what you people do in your spare time? You know, for one thing, I actually play the game as it was intended. -_- lol

[edit] I see the point of this, except it's kind of funny seeing a whole threaqd on it.
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oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2933 Posts
July 09 2007 04:21 GMT
#16
On July 09 2007 11:51 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2007 11:49 oshibori_probe wrote:
4p4p4p4pbp4p4pbg4p4pba
4p4pby4pbp4p4p5d[select citadel - s]
4p


agh this is a good idea, must work on it
\

keep it up! i really recommend using 0 for nexus since it's right next to p. If you find it hard to learn, try going into single player on slowest mode and start practicing there.


I started off with 0, but then sum1 proposed some newfangled system of using 4 for nexus and that worked out for me in the time being, however I may go back to 4, but if u are quick enuf using the F keys for the other nexuses is good enuf.

However now that I control my units and shit more maybe I'll hotkey my nexuses with 0 and 9 and such.
Fuck KeSPA.
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
July 09 2007 04:46 GMT
#17
you seem to be forgetting the 1a for chasing the scv
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-12 08:15:18
July 10 2007 04:52 GMT
#18
On July 09 2007 13:46 LeoTheLion wrote:
you seem to be forgetting the 1a for chasing the scv


some parts you can record. The point is to record the parts of the game that follow patterns. The rest becomes easy after that ^^
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
July 10 2007 05:17 GMT
#19
oops, yeah i did have an extra 0p in there. I should have reread it after i wrote it =]
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I-Emerge
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States435 Posts
July 10 2007 06:37 GMT
#20
On July 09 2007 13:05 wizardpl wrote:
Is this what you people do in your spare time? You know, for one thing, I actually play the game as it was intended. -_- lol

[edit] I see the point of this, except it's kind of funny seeing a whole threaqd on it.

A thread on this is very valuable.

This excercise produces the same results as Blindfold Chess. I didn't know that the korean pro use this but it makes sense seeing as how pro Chess players can increase skill using blindfold Chess.

---I-Emerge
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