Testie's Best Race

On January 30 2017 18:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
but do u know we has a hacker right ?

On January 30 2017 22:52 SCC-Faust wrote:
And if we're gonna talk about foreigner PvT I'd like to mention G5 and Nony.

Even though they came a bit after Testie, I think G5 may have had the best foreigner PvT at one point. And Nony was so good at one point he was complimented when he was in Korea as "the best foreigner they have seen (in recent times)". Unfortunately they added some comment afterwards that he still had a lot of flaws to fix. I'm really freebasing from memory here from years and years ago so the exact words may have been quite different but I'm positive it was something to that effect. It may have even been his team coach in Korea who said that.

But I agree PvT may have been the best foreigner match-up. And yeah, by the time I actually got into brood war and the pro scene (foreign and korean) I never saw Testie play much random. He mostly race picked P against important/strong opponents. If anyone wants to correct me on these details feel free cause it has been almost 10 years ago since this stuff and I'm not basing this off anything but the squiggly entrails in my head. But don't correct me on G5 having the best PvT at one point cause I don't need to be corrected on that.

On January 31 2017 04:06 MuNi wrote:
Yeah man. Nony almost won the courage tournament back in the day. I think he got second place which is inssaaaaannnnee.

I recently watched some game of Avernum (when he was in ToT) vs Testie TvP and I nearly got cancer from watching it. xD It's funny how these top performers of these days looked like current C- players.

On February 01 2017 11:48 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
@Koget:
I had trouble understanding if you meant the 2017 players look C- nowadays or if the 2006 players looked C- in the replays?

On February 12 2017 15:09 MuNi wrote:
The idea that any match up is easiest to master is absurd. The best and most perfect elements of BW are that in which it is a game that is impossible to master. Also, everyone has their strengths. One could say Bisu "mastered" pvz and that his pvt leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach. Every person has the ability to play their best under a myriad of circumstances, but to master a match up or BW in general is another story.

On February 13 2017 02:58 Piste wrote:

Anyone saying "Bisu's PvT leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach" should do a reality check :D

On February 14 2017 05:56 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
I posted this thread and Testie comes back to BW.

On February 13 2017 23:25 Oystein wrote:

I am a huge Bisu fan, and there is no doubt his PvT during his golden years was a lot worse than Storks. Bisu did absolutely demolish PvT in the last few years of proleague, but I remember vividly the frustration of watching him give away games/series in PvT during the 06-10 era. Thinking back its actually really weird that he wasnt better, his early/mid game PvT was phenomenal, but his late game was always "bad". So many games he was well ahead, before he did one of his classic suicide his entire army into a Terran wall into a loss. He was also always bad at playing carriers for some reason (something Stork excelled at). If Bisu had Storks lategame decision making and large army control he would have a lot more Starleagues to his name I believe.

On February 18 2017 17:26 LastWish wrote:
From the 6 dragons Bisus PvT is one of the worst.
Best is one of the best vs terran, but he is rather appalling vs zerg.
If you would combine Bisus PvZ with Bests PvT and Storks buildorders then we would get a perfect toss.

On February 19 2017 17:57 iopq wrote:

If you combine Flash's TvZ with Flash's TvP and Flash's build orders we would get a perfect Terran

On February 23 2017 23:53 Jealous wrote:

What about Legionnaire

On February 26 2017 01:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Froz was something special though. Managed to trick lots of people, including top nonkoreans, into believing that he was actually Nada smurfing.

On March 09 2017 22:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think it was me, froz, veg and Raszi, maybe someone else, who smurfed as a korean proteam during the WGTour period where a lot of top koreans actaully did play WGTour. I dunno if me, veg or raszi really tricked anyone, and we picked lesser known names anyway, but Froz pretended to be Nada, and he was like 33-0 with 350 apm in every game, and I remember reading posts from top foreigners at the time thinking he was the real one. I don't even know if it was ever debunked.

This was like 13-14 years ago so I don't remember everything, but from quick googling we must have pretended to be Toona SG. Froz pretended to be Nada and I pretended to be Salmosa, our collective team stats were something like 100-3 (we all stopped playing before reaching higher ranks where it became more difficult).

On April 01 2017 01:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Testie is a complete dumbass with dumb opinions and unmatched stubbornness

that said I love him dearly. Despite all his foibles, he was a great friend to me for many years

On January 30 2017 20:30 kogeT wrote:
I recently watched some game of Avernum (when he was in ToT) vs Testie TvP and I nearly got cancer from watching it. xD It's funny how these top performers of these days looked like current C- players.

On February 12 2017 12:42 sicklucker wrote:
pvt is the easiast mu no wonder it was best for alot of foriegnners. it was my best and i didnt even play protoss really. as in easiest to master not the easiest matchup

On April 02 2017 09:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:

Easiest to master? What? It's basically impossible to master any match up. You can get really really good at it (which no foreigner has ever done by the way...compared to top korean pros) Put any P player against Flash and look how "easy it is to master".

On April 02 2017 09:44 darktreb wrote:


If you define "master" as "dominate Flash" than of course no matchup can be mastered.

It was a hyperbolic statement, but contains some truth. PvT is the easiest matchup, up to a pretty high level of skill. I'd guess up to iCCup B level, maybe even more. That's pretty damn high.

Once you get past a certain point, the matchup gets pretty even. But being B level iCCup makes you a top 1000 player outside of Korea (might also need to exclude China). So I think by some reasonable choice of standard, you could call that "mastery".

On January 30 2017 20:30 kogeT wrote:
I recently watched some game of Avernum (when he was in ToT) vs Testie TvP and I nearly got cancer from watching it. xD It's funny how these top performers of these days looked like current C- players.

On May 26 2017 12:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Dinot is a different story though. Really glad to see him back, he was one of my favorite players to watch before he quit.

On March 12 2017 01:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Disagree completely, and I've consistently argued, for some years now, that 'racist' is a term that is thrown around (far) too frequently, and that the term has largely lost its poignancy and usefulness for that reason. But Testie telling a guy to 'stop being such a nigger' because he was listening to rap and speaking ebonics, I have no problems defining that as being racist. Either way, I've had quite lengthy discussions with Testie about this, and he literally argues that black people are more criminal because they have worse genes than white people and asians. He's a self-admitted racist by any definition.

On May 28 2017 19:52 Ernaine wrote:
I haven't checked the literature, but I am sure racists are more likely to be criminal.

BTW, the definition of racism is pinning behavior and race together. And with our understanding of biology, that would ought to happen through genetics.

Also, you are a racist or not regardless of if it is true or not. I don't know how you can say that 'merely exploring the science of genetics and race' is not racist.

Furthermore, minorities are more likely to be criminal, regardless of their ethnicity. So clearly, what we do see now has all to do with social position (being poor and having no opportunities) primarily, and culture (only having bad role models, hearing about others that you cannot do certain things because of your ethnicity, your environment promoting the wrong values, etc), not genetics.

Competing theory? Even if genes decide who is criminal and who is not, that isn't about race. There is more genetic variety among individuals than among races. In the case we do find causation between crime and genetics (which we might), every ethnicity will have just as many 'crime genes' as any other one. That's the main argument against racism. Humans are such a young species, there is extremely little genetic variation and individual trumps ethnicity by a long shot.
BTW, we humans always pinned negative traits on other ethnicities. It was never a fair exploration of the facts. Just a way to explain away our made up negative stereotypes.

Well, you basically proposed the racist position here, which we know is scientifically wrong. Furthermore, it led through extremely immoral acts in the past, and still damages our societies today. I shouldn't be arguing with you. I should be shaming you and ridiculing you.

One shouldn't argue with racists. They have lost that privilege.

On May 28 2017 19:32 pomwine wrote:


I know Testie and he isn't a hateful guy at all.

Not that I agree with him, but in his defense, it's a well-established fact that there's more criminality among black people in almost every nation, whether they're a minority or majority population (it's just a matter of statistics). To deem someone a racist just for wanting to explore the role genetics might play in criminality, is very regressive and anti-science.

If you don't think there's any genetic component to criminality, then what is your competing theory/explanation?

You've skipped past refuting his argument and gone straight to attacking him and calling him a racist, so surely you must have an explanation that isn't in any way racist. I'd love to hear it.

On May 28 2017 22:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:


Dude, if you say 'black people are on average less intelligent and more likely to be criminal and this is determined by their inferior genetics and therefore we must stop immigration from africa because their inferior genes are bound to make our society worse', that is racist. There's no way around that. I agree that racist is a word with a highly contested definition, I agree that it is a word that has been thrown around too lightly, and if you want to argue that Testie's use of 'nigger' on his stream doesn't make him a racist, then whatever, be my guest. But he has presented the argument I put in quotation marks on several occasions, and every single working definition of racist will define that statement as racist.

Frankly, to me, it sounds like you're trying to say that you yourself is racist, but you don't want to be branded that way, so people shouldn't use this word to describe what the word actually means, but that just makes no sense to me.

And for the record, I consider Testie a friend. But he is a racist. Twitch banned him for expressing his racism because they don't tolerate it. It's not any more complicated than that.

On July 05 2017 22:25 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Testie said last night in his stream that his old best matchup was ZvT. It is pretty cool he started playing again. Nony Naugrim Oystein are examples of players that have come back.

On July 06 2017 02:47 Alpha-NP- wrote:
He was on Twitch a few times.

On May 28 2017 22:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:


Dude, if you say 'black people are on average less intelligent and more likely to be criminal and this is determined by their inferior genetics and therefore we must stop immigration from africa because their inferior genes are bound to make our society worse', that is racist. There's no way around that. I agree that racist is a word with a highly contested definition, I agree that it is a word that has been thrown around too lightly, and if you want to argue that Testie's use of 'nigger' on his stream doesn't make him a racist, then whatever, be my guest. But he has presented the argument I put in quotation marks on several occasions, and every single working definition of racist will define that statement as racist.

Frankly, to me, it sounds like you're trying to say that you yourself is racist, but you don't want to be branded that way, so people shouldn't use this word to describe what the word actually means, but that just makes no sense to me.

And for the record, I consider Testie a friend. But he is a racist. Twitch banned him for expressing his racism because they don't tolerate it. It's not any more complicated than that.

On July 08 2017 00:45 traxamillion wrote:
Watched him stream a couple games yesterday. I believe his apm averaged around 160-170 so obviously protoss is his best race. Only race you can play like that and get away with it (noob race. Easiest thing in the game to just make pylons and a few Zealots. Toss is the reason Shuttle can win games on the pro scene with 240 APM). He did beat a few E class Koreans though.