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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
February 01 2007 17:48 GMT
#21
Can someone post a rep of this build done right? Where toss doesn't throw the game by going more than triple nexus so early? I want to see it in full swing, but probably can't do it myself. It seems very interesting and liable to catch people by surprise.
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DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-01 17:53:19
February 01 2007 17:51 GMT
#22
Nal_ra did something like this vs Bifrost like 2 days ago on Longinus 2 only without DTs.
+ Show Spoiler +
Think the torrent is in the top of the tracker. He saw Bifrost fastexpand so he went goons from 2 gates and contained him then double expanded taking his natural and the double gas expantion furthest from the terran. When bifrost pushed out at the right time ra managed to delay the push so that he had 2-3 carriers by the time it got to his main. By then he had 4 gas and the terran 2 and he easily won from there
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
February 01 2007 18:39 GMT
#23
On February 02 2007 02:51 DrainX wrote:
Nal_ra did something like this vs Bifrost like 2 days ago on Longinus 2 only without DTs.
+ Show Spoiler +
Think the torrent is in the top of the tracker. He saw Bifrost fastexpand so he went goons from 2 gates and contained him then double expanded taking his natural and the double gas expantion furthest from the terran. When bifrost pushed out at the right time ra managed to delay the push so that he had 2-3 carriers by the time it got to his main. By then he had 4 gas and the terran 2 and he easily won from there

You see the difference "he saw Bifrost fastexpand".
One of the counters to fast expand is double expand.
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
February 01 2007 19:36 GMT
#24
Yeah you should see how much this rules when he THREE (3) fact-vults out of one base. I got owned so hard by this korean terr who did this constantly on pgt.

He'd go 3fact vults if he saw one gate no matter what else you'd get. (well, i suppose except for cannons )
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Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
February 01 2007 19:43 GMT
#25
sonds stong vs 1-fac cc but then you could just make teh 2 nexuses and ignore the DT thing completely...
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
February 01 2007 20:27 GMT
#26
On February 02 2007 00:59 5HITCOMBO wrote:
Back in the day, double expanding was the standard way to counter a terran expanding.


I still do that -_-;;;

If I'm feeling lucky, I try pulling off a Devil Toss and go triple expo and completely rape Terran
^-^
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
February 01 2007 20:44 GMT
#27
On February 02 2007 03:39 LastWish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2007 02:51 DrainX wrote:
Nal_ra did something like this vs Bifrost like 2 days ago on Longinus 2 only without DTs.
+ Show Spoiler +
Think the torrent is in the top of the tracker. He saw Bifrost fastexpand so he went goons from 2 gates and contained him then double expanded taking his natural and the double gas expantion furthest from the terran. When bifrost pushed out at the right time ra managed to delay the push so that he had 2-3 carriers by the time it got to his main. By then he had 4 gas and the terran 2 and he easily won from there

You see the difference "he saw Bifrost fastexpand".
One of the counters to fast expand is double expand.

I think its more common getting an early third expantion than getting 2 at the same time to counter terrans fast exp :S Also longinus is special since its one of the only maps where you can doubleexpand and get 4 gas.
pericolum
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany269 Posts
February 01 2007 22:01 GMT
#28
i remember that as a natural build vs a t who is fe ...

the formula was that a p needs one more nex than the t. so back then it was always double (or like you said dripple) nex if you saw a t going for fe.

KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
February 01 2007 23:34 GMT
#29
it COULD be done in the right hands ofcourse, but that protoss was fucking clueless at best.
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MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
February 02 2007 00:40 GMT
#30
On February 01 2007 23:57 Metal[x] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2007 23:29 aND.Beta wrote:
On February 01 2007 23:23 Metal[x] wrote:
i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_-


oh, you can.
ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus.
i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units.


u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_-


If you can't see how it's possible then how bout you quit complaining and jsut watch the replay..how hard is that
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18jotbob
Profile Joined January 2007
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-02 01:33:49
February 02 2007 01:23 GMT
#31
theres no point arguing how u could counter or whether is this viable. the question u should ask is how could i make this more efficient or maximize the dmg done with this strategy. given in that situation when ur opponent is unaware, ofcourse this is viable. its all about scouting and detection, anticipation. a particular strategy is ONLY VIABLE in a particular situation. if u use that every game i can say that ull get run over by t most of the time.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
February 02 2007 02:06 GMT
#32
On February 02 2007 00:03 MYM.Testie wrote:
='(


Why you crying feggit? Either say something useful or don't post at all.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11586 Posts
February 02 2007 02:45 GMT
#33
when the terran scouts a 1 gateway tech build, he is of course going to go 2 fac build. this will only work vs not good players...
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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
February 02 2007 03:30 GMT
#34
66ddddddddd7p8p9p0p11 =D
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 02 2007 06:42 GMT
#35
On February 02 2007 11:45 CaucasianAsian wrote:
when the terran scouts a 1 gateway tech build, he is of course going to go 2 fac build. this will only work vs not good players...


cmon, almost (95%) of PvT are 1 gate build, and terran doesnt go 2 fact build.

Btw i think it would be pretty greedy to take that expansion that quick. i would rather play safer and get the gates up to defend against a timing push, because, protoss just needs 1 base more than terran (in my experience) to beat him, so why dont you make 8-10 goons to avoid vulture harrass and take the next nexus? after all, you're not needed those minerals right away...
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 02 2007 07:28 GMT
#36
On February 02 2007 15:42 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2007 11:45 CaucasianAsian wrote:
when the terran scouts a 1 gateway tech build, he is of course going to go 2 fac build. this will only work vs not good players...


cmon, almost (95%) of PvT are 1 gate build, and terran doesnt go 2 fact build.


i dont think 95% of PvT's are 1 gate build...i would say the majority of PvT's are 2 gate range expo builds =)
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 02 2007 11:11 GMT
#37
well, i thought one gate build was

pylon, gate , gas, core -> start varying from here
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 02 2007 11:23 GMT
#38
... 1 gate is meaning 1 gate...and not getting ur 2nd until either, reav/ob, expo, or some dt tech...thats what i thought at least =P
Ganfei1
Profile Joined January 2007
China667 Posts
February 02 2007 11:45 GMT
#39
Actually there are quite a few pro games where the toss 1 gates, Terran sees it, and Terran say "whatever" goes 1 fac and expos and plays like a macro whore.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
February 02 2007 13:28 GMT
#40
On February 02 2007 20:23 Metal[x] wrote:
... 1 gate is meaning 1 gate...and not getting ur 2nd until either, reav/ob, expo, or some dt tech...thats what i thought at least =P


The SCV is likely gonna die before they see that, so the original point of the T "of course going 2 fac against 1 gate" is really strange
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