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1 gate dt to triple nexus viable?
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
Here's the replay: http://download.yousendit.com/50EF9F9E16DB8E09 | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
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AiurZ
United States429 Posts
something like that? because whenever ive used that build it felt really strong. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
Ima go try that bwahahaha! Terran feel inferior! | ||
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
On February 01 2007 20:39 skyglow1 wrote: This build would get completely creamed by 2 fact vult, but then again 2 fact vult is not very common nowadays. Ahh, compltely forgot about this thanx skyglow ur right. Even hold postioning dt on ramp wouldnt work becuz sooner or later vult/mine would break in. Yea, I can see it being weak agaisnt 2 fact. thanx. But against nowadays "FD'ers" would this build be good? Someone at least look at the replay? I did normal FD.. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
On February 01 2007 20:43 CrownRoyal wrote: sounds like a terrible build. | ||
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Pseudo_Utopia
Canada827 Posts
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
Depends really on positioning and scouting, if ya see him tech and go for FD easily use counter-measures. But christ... this build will have some insane macro, will totally rape if it got through without any problems. | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On February 01 2007 23:23 Metal[x] wrote: i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_- oh, you can. ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus. i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units. | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
I'd say it's less risky than 14 nexus. A good number of builds are done under the assumption that your opponent doesn't use a particular build. It's unfair to say it sucks because 2 fac is good against it. You'll have goons to deal with vultures. A DT with prick-like micro can delay his build or throw him off balance. Most Terrans don't get fast academy. And even if they do, they won't have enough scans to kill your DT. After the initial 2~3 DTs, it'll be all dragoons. You're only relying on the DTs to buy you time. Just like Muta harass buys time in ZvT. Overall, it's a moderately risky build: an aggresive version of double expanding as a counter to FE. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
I would say reaver's safer though, since you yourself have somewhat more control. A good terran can do more vs DT than vs reaver, whereas a good protoss can do more with reaver than with DT. Also if you lose your reav you've at least got robo tech for observers, whereas losing DTs gives you HT tech I suppose, but it's not as useful as obs. | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
On February 01 2007 23:29 aND.Beta wrote: oh, you can. ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus. i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units. u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_- | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
On February 01 2007 23:57 Metal[x] wrote: u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_- Triple nexus means....triple nexus. 3 nexus. That's a main, and 2 expansions. That's 3 nexus. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On February 01 2007 23:57 Metal[x] wrote: u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_- As Ganfei said, tripple nexus means having 3 nexuses. So thats your main + 2 expansions. | ||
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LastWish
2015 Posts
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Think the torrent is in the top of the tracker. He saw Bifrost fastexpand so he went goons from 2 gates and contained him then double expanded taking his natural and the double gas expantion furthest from the terran. When bifrost pushed out at the right time ra managed to delay the push so that he had 2-3 carriers by the time it got to his main. By then he had 4 gas and the terran 2 and he easily won from there  | ||
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LastWish
2015 Posts
On February 02 2007 02:51 DrainX wrote: Nal_ra did something like this vs Bifrost like 2 days ago on Longinus 2 only without DTs. + Show Spoiler + Think the torrent is in the top of the tracker. He saw Bifrost fastexpand so he went goons from 2 gates and contained him then double expanded taking his natural and the double gas expantion furthest from the terran. When bifrost pushed out at the right time ra managed to delay the push so that he had 2-3 carriers by the time it got to his main. By then he had 4 gas and the terran 2 and he easily won from there You see the difference "he saw Bifrost fastexpand". One of the counters to fast expand is double expand. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
He'd go 3fact vults if he saw one gate no matter what else you'd get. (well, i suppose except for cannons  ) | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On February 02 2007 00:59 5HITCOMBO wrote: Back in the day, double expanding was the standard way to counter a terran expanding. I still do that -_-;;; If I'm feeling lucky, I try pulling off a Devil Toss and go triple expo and completely rape Terran | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On February 02 2007 03:39 LastWish wrote: You see the difference "he saw Bifrost fastexpand". One of the counters to fast expand is double expand. I think its more common getting an early third expantion than getting 2 at the same time to counter terrans fast exp :S Also longinus is special since its one of the only maps where you can doubleexpand and get 4 gas. | ||
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pericolum
Germany269 Posts
the formula was that a p needs one more nex than the t. so back then it was always double (or like you said dripple) nex if you saw a t going for fe. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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MaRiNe23
United States747 Posts
On February 01 2007 23:57 Metal[x] wrote: u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_- If you can't see how it's possible then how bout you quit complaining and jsut watch the replay..how hard is that | ||
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18jotbob
106 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On February 02 2007 00:03 MYM.Testie wrote: ='( Why you crying feggit? Either say something useful or don't post at all. Feggit feggit. Teach me. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11586 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
On February 02 2007 11:45 CaucasianAsian wrote: when the terran scouts a 1 gateway tech build, he is of course going to go 2 fac build. this will only work vs not good players... cmon, almost (95%) of PvT are 1 gate build, and terran doesnt go 2 fact build. Btw i think it would be pretty greedy to take that expansion that quick. i would rather play safer and get the gates up to defend against a timing push, because, protoss just needs 1 base more than terran (in my experience) to beat him, so why dont you make 8-10 goons to avoid vulture harrass and take the next nexus? after all, you're not needed those minerals right away... | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
On February 02 2007 15:42 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: cmon, almost (95%) of PvT are 1 gate build, and terran doesnt go 2 fact build. i dont think 95% of PvT's are 1 gate build...i would say the majority of PvT's are 2 gate range expo builds =) | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
pylon, gate , gas, core -> start varying from here | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On February 02 2007 20:23 Metal[x] wrote: ... 1 gate is meaning 1 gate...and not getting ur 2nd until either, reav/ob, expo, or some dt tech...thats what i thought at least =P The SCV is likely gonna die before they see that, so the original point of the T "of course going 2 fac against 1 gate" is really strange | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
Double expo isn't the counter for FE now? wtf?! What's the difference of FD and FE? You still double expo like... slightly slower 2nd expo but still double vs FD right? Cuz it's still sorta FE-ish... O___O? | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
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micronesia
United States24747 Posts
It probably is not very good in a real game, but in a fun match vs my friend it led to an interesting game (he got stomped by 20-25 gateways of speedlots pumping XD) | ||
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decafchicken
United States20090 Posts
On February 02 2007 00:59 5HITCOMBO wrote: Back in the day, double expanding was the standard way to counter a terran expanding. We V-Tec players have been doing that for years. | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On February 03 2007 11:16 decafchicken wrote: We V-Tec players have been doing that for years. K you won the thread | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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