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1 gate dt to triple nexus viable?

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MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
February 01 2007 11:36 GMT
#1
To start off, I just wanna say that we aren't "gosu" but we know what we are doing. The protoss is a former A- on PGT but haven't played in 7 months so he's kind of rusty. Anyways I want you guys to watch the replay carefully and although I win, I only win because he gets REALLY greedy and builds ANOTHER nexus after he does triple nexus. IF he didn't get that "fourth" nexus and just gotten his gateways faster and macro'ed would he have just steam rolled me? I mean I stopped his DT's dead cold at the start and he still had time to do all that. I'm still shaking becuz if I didn't come out at that timing I would've gotten owned horribly and he hasn't played in 7 months..So basically the question is this. If he didn't get greedy and and jsut macroed hard after doing triple nexus instead of getting yet another nexus(with cannons mind you)would this strat be viable every game?

Here's the replay:
http://download.yousendit.com/50EF9F9E16DB8E09
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
February 01 2007 11:39 GMT
#2
This build would get completely creamed by 2 fact vult, but then again 2 fact vult is not very common nowadays.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
February 01 2007 11:43 GMT
#3
sounds like a terrible build.
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AiurZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States429 Posts
February 01 2007 11:58 GMT
#4
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=3&topic_id=27763

something like that? because whenever ive used that build it felt really strong.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 01 2007 12:03 GMT
#5
Wow AiurZ nice catch.
Ima go try that bwahahaha! Terran feel inferior!
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MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
February 01 2007 12:15 GMT
#6
On February 01 2007 20:39 skyglow1 wrote:
This build would get completely creamed by 2 fact vult, but then again 2 fact vult is not very common nowadays.


Ahh, compltely forgot about this thanx skyglow ur right. Even hold postioning dt on ramp wouldnt work becuz sooner or later vult/mine would break in. Yea, I can see it being weak agaisnt 2 fact. thanx. But against nowadays "FD'ers" would this build be good? Someone at least look at the replay? I did normal FD..
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
February 01 2007 12:35 GMT
#7
If the terran scouts well and realizes you got 2 expos with only dts, even if he does an FD build he will first hold off your dts with mines while taking his own expo, then get a second fact with speed upgrade and rape you with speed vults if he harasses well.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
February 01 2007 13:01 GMT
#8
On February 01 2007 20:43 CrownRoyal wrote:
sounds like a terrible build.
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Pseudo_Utopia
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada827 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-01 14:08:41
February 01 2007 14:07 GMT
#9
It's actually pretty strong, I remember seeing Testie beating some good terran on azalea in last year's wcg like that... He got only 1 or 2 dt then 2 nexuses (2 nexi? isn't that the plural? ;p) and since the terran had gone FE he couldn't move out for a little while (dt would slowly kill his whole army) and by the time he got speed vults or whatever, Testie had like 8 gates pumping like mad. A scary strat imho, but obviously dies quite easily to 2 fact vults.
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zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
February 01 2007 14:14 GMT
#10
2 fact vults with upgrades > this build.



Depends really on positioning and scouting, if ya see him tech and go for FD easily use counter-measures. But christ... this build will have some insane macro, will totally rape if it got through without any problems.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 01 2007 14:23 GMT
#11
i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_-
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 01 2007 14:29 GMT
#12
On February 01 2007 23:23 Metal[x] wrote:
i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_-


oh, you can.
ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus.
i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units.
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Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
February 01 2007 14:32 GMT
#13
You guys are being way skeptical. It's a viable build.

I'd say it's less risky than 14 nexus.

A good number of builds are done under the assumption that your opponent doesn't use a particular build. It's unfair to say it sucks because 2 fac is good against it.

You'll have goons to deal with vultures. A DT with prick-like micro can delay his build or throw him off balance. Most Terrans don't get fast academy. And even if they do, they won't have enough scans to kill your DT. After the initial 2~3 DTs, it'll be all dragoons. You're only relying on the DTs to buy you time. Just like Muta harass buys time in ZvT.

Overall, it's a moderately risky build: an aggresive version of double expanding as a counter to FE.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 01 2007 14:52 GMT
#14
It sounds very similar to 1 gate robo to reaver to double expand. The theory behind it is very similar.

I would say reaver's safer though, since you yourself have somewhat more control. A good terran can do more vs DT than vs reaver, whereas a good protoss can do more with reaver than with DT.

Also if you lose your reav you've at least got robo tech for observers, whereas losing DTs gives you HT tech I suppose, but it's not as useful as obs.
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 01 2007 14:57 GMT
#15
On February 01 2007 23:29 aND.Beta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2007 23:23 Metal[x] wrote:
i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_-


oh, you can.
ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus.
i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units.


u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_-
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
February 01 2007 15:03 GMT
#16
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Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
February 01 2007 15:59 GMT
#17
Back in the day, double expanding was the standard way to counter a terran expanding.
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Ganfei1
Profile Joined January 2007
China667 Posts
February 01 2007 16:20 GMT
#18
On February 01 2007 23:57 Metal[x] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2007 23:29 aND.Beta wrote:
On February 01 2007 23:23 Metal[x] wrote:
i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_-


oh, you can.
ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus.
i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units.


u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_-


Triple nexus means....triple nexus. 3 nexus. That's a main, and 2 expansions. That's 3 nexus.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
February 01 2007 16:32 GMT
#19
On February 01 2007 23:57 Metal[x] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2007 23:29 aND.Beta wrote:
On February 01 2007 23:23 Metal[x] wrote:
i dont see how u can possibly let him even get 3 nexus at once -_-


oh, you can.
ive playd some peopel where i FE and they make 2 quick nexus.
i didnt know the 2nd expo came really early, i tried my timed attack with ~11-12 tanks + 12 vults + mroe vults rallied. i was really suprised he had enuogh units to counter mine. it usually ends up with me successfully reaching one of his expos because of his lack of units.


u misunderstood what im trying to say...from the OP he said his opponent went to get the "fourth" expo. im saying i dont see how its possible that the terran even let him trip expo meaning getting 3 additional expos...i know its quite possible w/ dual expo b/c thats what most tosses would do in a situation like that where the terran is FEing himself, but 3 is ridiculous...and the terran should lose if he lets that happen -_-


As Ganfei said, tripple nexus means having 3 nexuses. So thats your main + 2 expansions.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
February 01 2007 17:42 GMT
#20
Why not use 4 gate all-in or 2-3 shuttle 3 gate goon to kill him instantly if you are suspecting he is going 1 fact/fast cc?
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