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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7878 Posts
May 07 2013 13:05 GMT
#41
Just download hotkey trainer. It's a UMS where you have to basically micromanage an scv all the time while building your base with low ressources in your bank account and do a couple of stuff such as getting a civilian with a shuttle and killing a zerg base.

It helped me a lot. Do it in slow motion, very clean first, and then again and again while increasing the speed. You get the right patterns into your fingers, and, most important, your brain.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 07 2013 17:59 GMT
#42
I dunno my most recent game was 270 APM 160 eAPM, My ratio used to be alot worse than that, i think you should really just make yourself do extra un-needed things but do more than just spam hotkeys, like constantly check how many workers you got, always be making units, if youre terran/protoss queue up a unit just before your current ones finish(which you should be doing anyway)

just make yourself play faster and do extra shit and it'll rise on its own as you get better
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wimpwimpwimp
Profile Joined May 2012
167 Posts
May 07 2013 19:24 GMT
#43
So three ideas in here::

a) spam to get the capacity needed to do more stuff some time in the future.

b) streamline your mechanics so you can do what you need to be doing more efficiently - again with the capacity to be able to do more as a result.

c) focus on the stuff you need to be doing - and do it. Build workers and move them to minerals, macro, scout, lay mines, move army around, get your tech and depots - and notice where you forget to do this stuff, for example macro slipping during battles. If you can do everything you need to be doing to execute a given strategy, you have sufficient eapm.

One last idea could be increasing your physical fitness. If you are out of shape you probably won´t be able to sit on your ass for a long time performing well in a game as demanding as scbw.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 21:58:57
May 07 2013 19:40 GMT
#44
On May 08 2013 02:59 arb wrote:
I dunno my most recent game was 270 APM 160 eAPM, My ratio used to be alot worse than that, i think you should really just make yourself do extra un-needed things but do more than just spam hotkeys, like constantly check how many workers you got, always be making units, if youre terran/protoss queue up a unit just before your current ones finish(which you should be doing anyway)

just make yourself play faster and do extra shit and it'll rise on its own as you get better

Super important in general, you have so many more resources if you dont queue in excess. If you think about it a third dragoon on queue for 4 gates is an expand and an upgrade. I personally think you dont need a high apm unless you are trying to do a high apm strat, micro internsive. For me, its just a matter of getting an effiecient apm, and using the extra time to make tactical, macro desicions. Mo bases = more thing to use your apm on!

@ OP Now that I think about ZvP apm is pretty important, but that can be counteracted with good tactics, flanking and such. Do you have any replays we could look at? If you are losing units due to storms and retreating you should improve your macro to allow more time for micro desicions.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Rlentless
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong322 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 20:04:46
May 07 2013 19:58 GMT
#45
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6540 Posts
May 07 2013 20:52 GMT
#46
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.

holy...... 210 eapm O___________O
kill619
Profile Joined December 2011
United States212 Posts
May 08 2013 01:59 GMT
#47
On May 08 2013 05:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.

holy...... 210 eapm O___________O



Sc2 only player here, what's the average? I know for starcraft 2 that would be insane but I would imagine, since brood war literally has more stuff to do. it's slightly less ridiculous that I'm thinking.
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
May 08 2013 02:25 GMT
#48
I play with 150-ish apm avg maybe 110 eapm...I'm like D level noob tho
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 08 2013 02:43 GMT
#49
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.


damn. u are fast. will u play in the TSL?
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 04:25:34
May 08 2013 04:24 GMT
#50
On May 08 2013 10:59 kill619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 05:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.

holy...... 210 eapm O___________O



Sc2 only player here, what's the average? I know for starcraft 2 that would be insane but I would imagine, since brood war literally has more stuff to do. it's slightly less ridiculous that I'm thinking.

For reference, from the JD replay pack Zimp the god and dsaqwe provided us a few days ago, JD has about 220 - 240 eapm depends on games.

Oh and in the infamous replay of JD vs Flash on Tau Cross they both had exactly 235 eapm.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 05:08:50
May 08 2013 05:06 GMT
#51
On May 08 2013 11:43 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.


damn. u are fast. will u play in the TSL?


relentless is D+ lol


On May 08 2013 10:59 kill619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 05:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.

holy...... 210 eapm O___________O



Sc2 only player here, what's the average? I know for starcraft 2 that would be insane but I would imagine, since brood war literally has more stuff to do. it's slightly less ridiculous that I'm thinking.


koreans are around like... 180-200 eapm? top foreigners are generally around 150-160 eapm i think. koreans tend to be more mechanically focused anyways
Kyuhyuck
Profile Joined April 2013
Korea (South)40 Posts
May 08 2013 05:35 GMT
#52
I say apm/epm determine your multitasking/macro in your game. Not specifically but more actions are better if they are productive actions and not just spam that lower league people tend to do to make themselves look cool. You see pros often have reallly high APM/EPM.
You can have anything you want if you are willing to give up the belief you can't have it.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 08 2013 06:01 GMT
#53
On May 08 2013 05:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 04:58 Rlentless wrote:
[image loading]

This kind of stuff only happens in my TvZs. All I remember doing is constant switching from my base, my army and then my expansions. Looking at my actions in replays I do not pay full attention for more than 5 seconds in one area during the late game.

I don't really remember how I gained that kind of APM. The earliest replay I have with 200+ eapm was more than half a year ago which coincides with me starting to mass watch streams from afreeca. Maybe I started copying their style...^^

So you don't necessarily have to be a pro.

holy...... 210 eapm O___________O


Yea, that about sums up my reaction.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
May 08 2013 09:03 GMT
#54
in order to increase APM, u hit buttons faster.
in order to increase eAPM, u 1a2a3a your army between 2 points which are about 1 screen apart from each other.
i think using scv to build something, but cancelling it with moving the scv away with right click before it reaches building place should also increase eAPM.

for me, APM had always more value than eAPM, but dont forget that APM/eAPM is not skill related.
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
May 08 2013 13:14 GMT
#55
in truth i didn't want to share this with the masses, but now i realise it's not fair to keep it a secret any longer, so...
without further ado, here it goes:

"GOSU" REVEALS TOP SECRET WAY TO INCREASE APM/EAPM!!!
FOLLOW THIS 1 EASY STEP TO INCREASE YOUR OWN!!!
JUST CLICK THE SPOILER TAG BELOW AND LEARN HOW TO INCREASE YOUR APM/EAPM FOR FREE!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Step 1: Play in lag.
Step 2 (optional): Pat yourself on the back! Preferably post pictures.

OK SO THERE YOU HAVE IT, A SIMPLE AND EASY WAY TO INCREASE YOUR APM/EAPM! I HOPE IT WAS HELPFUL. PLEASE POST STORIES ABOUT HOW THIS CHANGED YOUR LIFE!

life is balanced, L2P
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
May 08 2013 13:27 GMT
#56
On May 08 2013 22:14 skzlime wrote:
in truth i didn't want to share this with the masses, but now i realise it's not fair to keep it a secret any longer, so...
without further ado, here it goes:

"GOSU" REVEALS TOP SECRET WAY TO INCREASE APM/EAPM!!!
FOLLOW THIS 1 EASY STEP TO INCREASE YOUR OWN!!!
JUST CLICK THE SPOILER TAG BELOW AND LEARN HOW TO INCREASE YOUR APM/EAPM FOR FREE!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Step 1: Play in lag.
Step 2 (optional): Pat yourself on the back! Preferably post pictures.

OK SO THERE YOU HAVE IT, A SIMPLE AND EASY WAY TO INCREASE YOUR APM/EAPM! I HOPE IT WAS HELPFUL. PLEASE POST STORIES ABOUT HOW THIS CHANGED YOUR LIFE!


I did that once, 8 player game on school computers and I was the only one not lagging so I had a field day spamming...I was at 1000 apm according to the chaos launcher plugin for the first few minutes until everyone stopped lagging
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
May 08 2013 13:28 GMT
#57
I <3 skzlime
iG.Arcneon
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland333 Posts
May 08 2013 13:49 GMT
#58
On April 25 2013 02:01 traceurling wrote:
I was talking with Bakuryu about this and I hope I recall it correctly, but it was something along the lines of just know your build andwhat you're doing, and your APM will just increase to match what you need...idk if I said that properly. :\


Kinda agree with this alot. Atleast for me, it goes very much like, normal apm prolly around 200-300, no clue about eapm, but when I play a faster, strong player than what I am, I always find in game that "shit he's ahead" and it just instantly MAKES me move faster than in normal games where I have more time to think.
The problem with most foreigners who are really fast is that they really dont have good game plans after all, so that makes them weak against smart players so its not all that black & white.
I'd even say that vs foreigners you really need good game plans and you will get to the top. Also works vs a lot of koreans, but the top side of koreans (which are many still!), you really do need to be fast with everything while having a good game plan, otherwise you just get run over ^^
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
May 08 2013 14:23 GMT
#59
rofl skzlime.
En Taro Violet
Potling
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway298 Posts
May 08 2013 17:22 GMT
#60
Great advice, skzlime! My APM went up from 150 to 300! I am still C level, but the higher number makes me much gosuer!
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