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Day9 and many other high level foreigners used to say that it's okay to spam at first to increase your APM. The point is to get your hands used to clicking that much. You will play worse at first, and then it will become comfortable after awhile. After that the key to becoming good is actually making use of those extra actions, turning them from spam into concentration and techniques that your hands would otherwise be to used to moving too slowly to accommodate.
APM isn't skill, but it's not an invalid approach to becoming better.
Of course knowing what you're doing is far more important in terms of winning games and you can get pretty far without ever increasing your APM much past 150. But if you were the type of person crazy enough to want to take a game off a Korean pro at WCG, stuff like this wasn't totally inconsequential. For an ordinary player who really wants to get better, your time is best spent truly studying strategies and really getting a handle on the inner workings and why things work and why you make exceptions etc. It actually involves quite a lot of time outside of the game (tho not necessarily on the forums lol).
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On April 30 2013 09:06 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 05:29 rauk wrote:On April 29 2013 21:12 Sayle wrote:
Listen to K-pop while you play. Also, eat kimchi. wrong, god says that he needs to eat meat at least once a day There is meat in kimchi Also, which god? + Show Spoiler +You had better be talking about Flash
You do know how much meat that boy eats right?
He wouldn't preach about anything else
+ Show Spoiler +You had better be getting that before opening spoiler
Raising your APM for the sake of raising it is redundant, bordering on stupid, for one I'm about the same speed as Bakuryu to take an example (150-170ish), and I've found myself being able to
1) Micro better
2) Macro better
3) Catch drops etc better
without raising my apm at all from the times where I couldn't break C- (noways I could probally hit low C or high C-? Haven't really played much)
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i wonder if we'll ever stop seeing threads like these
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On May 10 2013 07:23 PUPATREE wrote:
i wonder if we'll ever stop seeing threads like these
hopefully not?
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What are you guys using to measure APM these days?
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an unnecessarily long ruler
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I've got bwchart and bwrepinfo, and I believe most use the same.
bwchart has got a lot of nice graphs and pictures representing the way you distribute your hotkeys and use them, your buildorder and stuff like that.
bwrepinfo has got the eAPM that I believe bwchart is lacking.
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On May 10 2013 07:23 PUPATREE wrote:
i wonder if we'll ever stop seeing threads like these
its more likely that hell will freeze
On May 10 2013 07:49 Reason wrote:
What are you guys using to measure APM these days?
i only use bwchart, but i normally only check the build order or hotkey tab.
bwrepinfo doesnt seem useful for me.
technically i dont even check my apm because it wont help me get better.
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On May 10 2013 18:14 Bakuryu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:23 PUPATREE wrote:
i wonder if we'll ever stop seeing threads like these its more likely that hell will freeze
Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:49 Reason wrote:
What are you guys using to measure APM these days? i only use bwchart, but i normally only check the build order or hotkey tab. bwrepinfo doesnt seem useful for me. technically i dont even check my apm because it wont help me get better.
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So true. Can't stop myself from replying though...
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On April 26 2013 21:57 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 16:57 idegelchik wrote:
im 170-180apm(100-120eapm) protoss user, dont know how guys make 250-300apm... TT by playing ALOT also force your self to constatly have some amount of apm in the game, like have apm alert for 300 or something.
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On May 10 2013 07:23 PUPATREE wrote:
i wonder if we'll ever stop seeing threads like these
At least we know people are trying to play.
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L_Master's main post here is pretty spot on imo
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On May 21 2013 19:28 skzlime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 21:57 sabas123 wrote:On April 26 2013 16:57 idegelchik wrote:
im 170-180apm(100-120eapm) protoss user, dont know how guys make 250-300apm... TT by playing ALOT also force your self to constatly have some amount of apm in the game, like have apm alert for 300 or something.
Yes! Hyperbole and a half!
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2013 06:35 Chef wrote:
Day9 and many other high level foreigners used to say that it's okay to spam at first to increase your APM. The point is to get your hands used to clicking that much. You will play worse at first, and then it will become comfortable after awhile. After that the key to becoming good is actually making use of those extra actions, turning them from spam into concentration and techniques that your hands would otherwise be to used to moving too slowly to accommodate.
APM isn't skill, but it's not an invalid approach to becoming better.
Of course knowing what you're doing is far more important in terms of winning games and you can get pretty far without ever increasing your APM much past 150. But if you were the type of person crazy enough to want to take a game off a Korean pro at WCG, stuff like this wasn't totally inconsequential. For an ordinary player who really wants to get better, your time is best spent truly studying strategies and really getting a handle on the inner workings and why things work and why you make exceptions etc. It actually involves quite a lot of time outside of the game (tho not necessarily on the forums lol).
I agree with Chef. Best way to learn is to play and look at replays. But, best way to increase eapm, APM alerts and a lot of games. Kind of like running. You say I want to run a faster mile, but you don't have more than two miles endurance. To get pro EAPM means you have to start playing 30-40 games a day.
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On June 01 2013 02:17 tokinho wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2013 06:35 Chef wrote:
Day9 and many other high level foreigners used to say that it's okay to spam at first to increase your APM. The point is to get your hands used to clicking that much. You will play worse at first, and then it will become comfortable after awhile. After that the key to becoming good is actually making use of those extra actions, turning them from spam into concentration and techniques that your hands would otherwise be to used to moving too slowly to accommodate.
APM isn't skill, but it's not an invalid approach to becoming better.
Of course knowing what you're doing is far more important in terms of winning games and you can get pretty far without ever increasing your APM much past 150. But if you were the type of person crazy enough to want to take a game off a Korean pro at WCG, stuff like this wasn't totally inconsequential. For an ordinary player who really wants to get better, your time is best spent truly studying strategies and really getting a handle on the inner workings and why things work and why you make exceptions etc. It actually involves quite a lot of time outside of the game (tho not necessarily on the forums lol). I agree with Chef. Best way to learn is to play and look at replays. But, best way to increase eapm, APM alerts and a lot of games. Kind of like running. You say I want to run a faster mile, but you don't have more than two miles endurance. To get pro EAPM means you have to start playing 30-40 games a day.
maybe not. some guys are talented. i know reps)izzy 300 apm 200 eapm and he almost never play and never pass c- Rank ;p
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It's more about what you focus on rather than grinding a lot of practice hours. For example, in 2012 I practiced a lot, but when I look at my replays my game is really quite horrible even for such a large amount of practice. I learned a lot during that time but now, a year later, I am picking the game up again and my apm has gone up from just a week's worth of solo practice.
Spamming at the beginning definitely helps.
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On June 01 2013 03:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:17 tokinho wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2013 06:35 Chef wrote:
Day9 and many other high level foreigners used to say that it's okay to spam at first to increase your APM. The point is to get your hands used to clicking that much. You will play worse at first, and then it will become comfortable after awhile. After that the key to becoming good is actually making use of those extra actions, turning them from spam into concentration and techniques that your hands would otherwise be to used to moving too slowly to accommodate.
APM isn't skill, but it's not an invalid approach to becoming better.
Of course knowing what you're doing is far more important in terms of winning games and you can get pretty far without ever increasing your APM much past 150. But if you were the type of person crazy enough to want to take a game off a Korean pro at WCG, stuff like this wasn't totally inconsequential. For an ordinary player who really wants to get better, your time is best spent truly studying strategies and really getting a handle on the inner workings and why things work and why you make exceptions etc. It actually involves quite a lot of time outside of the game (tho not necessarily on the forums lol). I agree with Chef. Best way to learn is to play and look at replays. But, best way to increase eapm, APM alerts and a lot of games. Kind of like running. You say I want to run a faster mile, but you don't have more than two miles endurance. To get pro EAPM means you have to start playing 30-40 games a day. maybe not. some guys are talented. i know reps)izzy 300 apm 200 eapm and he almost never play and never pass c- Rank ;p
How is that possible? Simply with that speed and macro u should be able to overrun everyone until C or sth
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On June 01 2013 17:33 tenacity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On June 01 2013 02:17 tokinho wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2013 06:35 Chef wrote:
Day9 and many other high level foreigners used to say that it's okay to spam at first to increase your APM. The point is to get your hands used to clicking that much. You will play worse at first, and then it will become comfortable after awhile. After that the key to becoming good is actually making use of those extra actions, turning them from spam into concentration and techniques that your hands would otherwise be to used to moving too slowly to accommodate.
APM isn't skill, but it's not an invalid approach to becoming better.
Of course knowing what you're doing is far more important in terms of winning games and you can get pretty far without ever increasing your APM much past 150. But if you were the type of person crazy enough to want to take a game off a Korean pro at WCG, stuff like this wasn't totally inconsequential. For an ordinary player who really wants to get better, your time is best spent truly studying strategies and really getting a handle on the inner workings and why things work and why you make exceptions etc. It actually involves quite a lot of time outside of the game (tho not necessarily on the forums lol). I agree with Chef. Best way to learn is to play and look at replays. But, best way to increase eapm, APM alerts and a lot of games. Kind of like running. You say I want to run a faster mile, but you don't have more than two miles endurance. To get pro EAPM means you have to start playing 30-40 games a day. maybe not. some guys are talented. i know reps)izzy 300 apm 200 eapm and he almost never play and never pass c- Rank ;p How is that possible? Simply with that speed and macro u should be able to overrun everyone until C or sth
because 300 apm isn't gonna help you at late game tvp or tvz if you make bad decisions, you will be suprised how effective C users are.
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