Zerg vs Race metagame????

On July 10 2011 00:33 mansa wrote:
Ummmmm,I just want to say that please read Metagame first. Anyways the current style that most Zerg I've been playing against nowadays is 3 hatch spire to 5 hatch hydra to lurker contain. And I think that this build is still being used by progamers

On July 10 2011 13:06 willkill4 wrote:
I'm not quite sure why I was warned, I may have been drunk but I don't understand reading it over today. A little silly, to be sure, but relevant I think. I'm learning zerg myself, and what I've learned so far is pretty much what I described.

Ah well. Good look to you mate. Hopefully you took nothing of what I said too seriously? But I meant that part about frantic zerglings running amok to try to force them into panic.

On July 10 2011 13:39 0mgVitaminE wrote:

Most of your tips were off the mark (11 pool?, z easy to play at low levels?, 180 apm toss = b?). Generally you don't want to give advice to someone unless you really know what you're talking about

On July 09 2011 19:18 willkill4 wrote:
Muta/scourge to counter corsairs is not meta game. That's a BO.

Meta is mid-game. BO is the opening.

As zerg, it's usually best to open b4. Which is to say, 11 pool. And then, instead of castling king side, castle queen side and instead of blitzing build your defenses (drones are the best defense) with your bishops pointing at their base but instead of charging sit and wait for them to make a mistake and have a nice build up of gas, and then when everything looks sort of stalemateish throw zerglings in groups of three every which way until they use their storms up (or vs terran, threaten drops constantly so they waste resources and apm on building turrets and placing mines) and then kill them with ultras or even easier guardian zergling hydra.


seriously though, zerg is super easy at low levels. you can beat a guy with 230 apm using 160 yourself, but that's because you get 3 for 1 clicks when you make units and have more time to think about where to attack and when. they have to click on every single barracks, gate, or factory to make a unit and you can hotkey 6 hatcheries (or 2 with four surrounding each lategame ... f2, f3, f4 ) and press s h .

so obvioulsy the goal is to overwhelm their apm limits, make them defend everywhere at once, while never seriously threatening. you'll be cruising at 146 apm a-moving zerglings here and there and they'll be frantically darting around the map.

when you get to a higher level, obviously none of this applies. a good 180 apm toss will destroy anything in his way. but that's at like b level which i think you're short of.... since you don't know what meta game is.

User was warned for this post

On July 11 2011 17:54 willkill4 wrote:
Can't disagree with you guys. What i wrote was most likely mostly wrong. I was simply trying to get into the match-up itself and ignoring build orders. And when i wrote 11 pool i meant 9 pool. But ya, summarily told to shut up and rightfully so since I was drunk and do indeed suck with zerg.

Still don't get the warning, but meh.

On July 10 2011 04:03 Zyferous wrote:
Three standards:

ZvZ: 9 Pool Speedling
ZvP: 3 Base Spire into 5 Hatch Hydra
ZvT: 3 Hatch Muta

Learn these first, and practice your basics before delving into the more obscure parts of the metagame. As Day[9] has said, learning to play standard is the key to playing starcraft well.