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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On January 25 2013 07:36 Dead9 wrote: you can just attackmove instead of hitting stop so there's not really any use for it I thought that A-move<Stop and Hold=A-move in terms of damage. I might be wrong though. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On January 24 2013 23:54 thezanursic wrote: You misunderstood -.- Read this: + Show Spoiler + What are the differences between Stop and Hold Position? The difference will impact your unit's rate of fire. Hold position will make your unit's first shot faster, but consecutive shots will be slower, and Stop will make your unit's consecutive shots faster, but your first shot slower. When a unit is ordered to Hold Position, it runs a loop to acquire a target, perform the attack, and then stop moving, the additional command to stop moving requires additional frames, making your unit's consecutive attacks slower, but because Hold Position first acquires a target, its initial attack will be faster. Stop will order your unit to first stop doing everything immediately, which also stops it from acquiring a first target until it goes idle, increasing the time for a first attack, however it will not order your unit to stop moving after every attack, making consecutive attacks faster. The above explanation may not represent the exact behaviour, but here is the short version: Stop: Stop -> Go to Idle -> Acquire Target -> Attack -> Attack -> ... Hold Position: Stop -> Acquire Target -> Attack -> Stop -> Attack -> Stop -> ... http://code.google.com/p/bwapi/wiki/StarcraftGuide No i read it and understood, thought you mistook stop for hold. There isn't as far as I know a benefit in using stop vs attack move. Never read anything about it. | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
Also should I add 1 more gate and go 3 gate robo bust or should I just try to expand while going for a bust? | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On January 26 2013 05:21 thezanursic wrote: Okay soo if I do a 2 gate robo and my opponent goes for 12 nexx or 12 gate into expand I should reaver bust him, correct? Also should I add 1 more gate and go 3 gate robo bust or should I just try to expand while going for a bust? I think that is a good option, either reaver harras or build to bust. If you want to bust and go all in you can opt to limit probe production early and add a few gateways instead of expanding. But if you fail micro...auch. You have to really commit to it, rally at enemy base, 100% micro focus on reavers !  here's a nice even pvp game, not exactly same situation you describe. As this is a 1-gate reaver vs 2-gate reaver. But shows power of going early reaver and busting down xp's. *notice clouds xp goes up first. putting jf into reaverkill mode. If JF had messed up his reaver micro though, this game would have been very different. Cloud had to spread his goons to protect main, and couldn't get down the ramp to defend his nat fast enough, and his reaver came out a bit to slow. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
Does bunker rush only work against fast expand? Can it work against 1 gate core or 2 gate? Does it have to be BBS? Any good TvP bunker rush vods? Thanks | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On January 28 2013 06:19 traceurling wrote: A couple questions about bunker rushing: Does bunker rush only work against fast expand? Can it work against 1 gate core or 2 gate? Does it have to be BBS? Any good TvP bunker rush vods? Thanks A bunker rush can work against 1 gate (can depend on relative skill levels/map/scouting, but it certainly CAN work). It generally won't vs 2 gate. Most bunker rushes aren't BBS. If you are going BBS, then building a bunker means you are cutting marines, which is bad. BO copped from liquipedia: 8 - Barracks 9 - Supply Depot 10 - Scout. On a four player map, scout two mains at once. 10 - Barracks finishes, rally to opponent's natural and pump Marines 15 - Supply Depot There's one vod. If you want more, look at games flash won vs P at the beginning of his career. Just open the vod and look how long it is. if >10 min, move on to the next one. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=P&league=any&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=26&action=Update#tblt-5800-6-1-DESC | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
On January 28 2013 06:19 traceurling wrote: A couple questions about bunker rushing: Does bunker rush only work against fast expand? Can it work against 1 gate core or 2 gate? Does it have to be BBS? Any good TvP bunker rush vods? Thanks i feel the bunker rush against 12 nex is to force the probes he sent to the natural away from mining and to try and take out your scv or bunker. you don't have to let the bunker complete as all you need to do is to stall him as long as you can and get up your own natural. here's the almighty flash doing it against 1 gate hmm the link wasn't showing. here it is. | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Hoender
South Africa382 Posts
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Capresis
United States518 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On January 29 2013 05:53 Psycho_Gemni wrote: I remember hearing that a lurker's first shot fires faster if your right click your target while burrowing. Is this true? Yes, that's true. | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
I'm specifically asking if my switch was greedy or unsafe in this game that's all I'm asking for, but other advice would also be useful! http://speedy.sh/APYrW/PvP-FS.rep I'm darkliquid the player who spawned at 11 | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
yes, but thats not everything. i just tested it again. if u burrow a lurker and right click your target right after the lurker is completely underground, it will start shooting faster compared to a lurker who is just being burrowed. but if u select 5 lurker and burrow them and u right click on target, but the target is out of range for 3 of those lurkers, the 2 in range will start shooting faster, but the 3 not in range will not shoot at all. the ones not in range will only shoot if u stop clicking (but they still have about 1 second delay shooting). and i didnt know about lurker firing fast before this post.... (only knew about them not shooting at all) and for puppykiller http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392540 | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
IK in TvP a 2 fact is all in. Gate Goon as well? ZvT 2 Hatch Muta or Lurker but this is off of two bases Otherwise I can't recall 1 base all-ins for: TvT, T in TvZ, ZvZ, PvP, PvZ and RvR Thanks! | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On January 30 2013 14:10 traceurling wrote: Not always, a lot of the time they just depend on doing enough damage you can come back (some people argue that is an all in, but I feel like its not...) There have been people who have done a 5 pool and returned...Also other "very aggressive builds" include 2 gate, 9 pool, 8 rax, BBS... I don't understand, this game has out 10+ years and 1 base all-in have come into existence. How strange. | ||
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