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ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-22 12:26:09
October 22 2004 12:22 GMT
#41
well... actually something like a 6 pylon -> gate -> dt/sair fast expo is one of the better starts for the build. but rugbug, for the most part your builds are pretty bad ><

also it seems like you're whole mission is to go throughout threads contradicting players that are clearly better, and being pretty 'flaming' or w/e while doing it
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
October 22 2004 12:26 GMT
#42
are you talking about my dark archon thing? i don't remember talking about any other than this 5 pylon and that dark archon build. if you're talking about the latter, you are completely wrong. and there is no room for debate about this.

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ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-22 12:32:14
October 22 2004 12:30 GMT
#43
Im talking about throughout the strategy forums, where you make it clear on most points that you have NO idea what you are talking about, almost to the point that it seems you're just trying to give wrong information on purpose to confuse the person asking the question :d
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
October 22 2004 12:43 GMT
#44
way to edit your post when you were earlier talking about my build orders.
i wouldn't be contradicting players if they weren't wrong. when people are right, i don't feel the need to say "NICE RESPONSE," i'm not that kind of person. I also don't feel the need to respond by copy pasting the exact same thing. See all those threads that I'm not posting in?
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Pob
Profile Joined February 2004
880 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-22 14:48:33
October 22 2004 14:45 GMT
#45
On October 21 2004 11:07 ahk-gosu wrote:


dragoon fast expo


gl with that


you on drugs? rofl worst strategy ever
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
October 22 2004 19:36 GMT
#46
rugbug its competely apparent by your posts that you are a horrible horrible player with absolutely no understanding of the game. there is nothing more to discuss.
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kloownz
Profile Joined October 2004
26 Posts
October 23 2004 01:12 GMT
#47
I wouldnt waste your time with high templars unless your making archons, any good zerg player knows how to storm dodge. Its just a waste of gas
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 23 2004 01:19 GMT
#48
Who THE fuck is this retard?
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
October 23 2004 02:34 GMT
#49
There might be something to RuGBug's early sair build since Nal_Ra used the same build to optimal effect in a replay I saw several months ago.
pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
October 23 2004 02:47 GMT
#50
On October 23 2004 10:12 kloownz wrote:
I wouldnt waste your time with high templars unless your making archons, any good zerg player knows how to storm dodge. Its just a waste of gas


yeah, i like to go 5gate no exp goon vs z it works wonders.
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
October 23 2004 04:36 GMT
#51
Technical Edit: Haven't read through the whole thread but, one of your strats is titled "Core" but there is no definition above.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 23 2004 07:25 GMT
#52
On October 23 2004 11:34 gg_hertzz wrote:
There might be something to RuGBug's early sair build since Nal_Ra used the same build to optimal effect in a replay I saw several months ago.

I'm not commenting on that particular build but that really isn't a good example -.-

I've seen nal_ra beat people with 4 probe rush (twice).
Doesn't make it good :X
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 23 2004 10:16 GMT
#53
Four probes rush as in... GoGo Probes at the start?

O_o
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ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 23 2004 10:57 GMT
#54
On October 23 2004 13:36 A3iL3r0n wrote:
Technical Edit: Haven't read through the whole thread but, one of your strats is titled "Core" but there is no definition above.


Thanks for catching that. When I say "core'" I mean the nucleus strategies; core is a much nicer word. But I recognize that it can easily be mistaken for Cybernetics Core and so I have updated my definitions accordingly.
ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 23 2004 11:03 GMT
#55
On October 22 2004 15:53 Cambium wrote:
Try some of Zeus' VODs/Replays. If I recall correctly, he almost always do Sair+DT.

Oh btw Shadow, you are doing a fantastic job. I might even convert back to Protoss ^_^


I've only got 3 Zeus PvZ games in my collection, but in each of them Zeus seems to be a hardcore Zeal+Storm guy; no Corsairs in sight. Definitely rather old school in style. Am I missing some reps? Anyway, I'm going to check Nal_Ra for sair/DT content.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 23 2004 11:16 GMT
#56
I haven't played for a bit but I recall two build orders back around 1.10 or 1.09 that may still be used now. I don't actually remember the build orders but they're not hard to figure out since you just get the things when you have resources for them. That and I really can't think of "build orders" since I generally built whatever I think was most effective at countering at that time. I always liked zealot rush into sair because it's decent against mutas since your sair will be out earlier than scourge and you get a good scout of your opponent's build/expos around the area.

There's one that's forge first, expo, then pylon at expo with two cannons. You use the probes to block any lings from rushing through and try to build things to make it hard to simply run past your choke.

The second is a standard zealot rush but you send a probe along for pylon, shield battery.
ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 24 2004 06:59 GMT
#57
Updated with two Turbo Expand builds that are high risk but are the sort of thing useful for surprise and pubby games, and are also pretty suitable for FFA games.

KissBlade, yeah, I know that I've seen some fairly recent forge-first quick expand builds. Anyone have the actual replays? I've also considered battery-rushes but have never seen it done in a serious game. Replays of that? Thanks.
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
October 24 2004 07:29 GMT
#58
The 4 probe rush I used to do involved sending a probe out after every building.. build pylon, send that probe out. build gate, send that probe out, build 2nd gate, send that probe out, build 2nd pylon, send that probe out. that way, when you have 8 mineral patches, you continue to have 1 probe per mineral patch. a 9th probe isnt as helpful as an 8th probe, because of diminishing returns (the 9th probe has to sometimes travel an extra distance to find a patch)
ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 24 2004 07:43 GMT
#59
Just updated with the Reaver + Sair build demonstrated by NonY.
ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-24 07:51:34
October 24 2004 07:45 GMT
#60
On October 24 2004 16:29 NonY wrote:
The 4 probe rush I used to do involved sending a probe out after every building.. build pylon, send that probe out. build gate, send that probe out, build 2nd gate, send that probe out, build 2nd pylon, send that probe out. that way, when you have 8 mineral patches, you continue to have 1 probe per mineral patch. a 9th probe isnt as helpful as an 8th probe, because of diminishing returns (the 9th probe has to sometimes travel an extra distance to find a patch)


So, you're suggesting something like:
7.5 Pylon, scout. 9 Gate, scout. 10 gate, scout. 11 Zealot. 13 pylon, scout, where scoutting is just sending the probes to the enemy base? Do you harrass with every probe, or wait until all 4 or the zealot arrive? Replay?
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