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Protoss BOs and Strategies: PvZ Land

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ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-30 13:29:39
October 21 2004 01:31 GMT
#1
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ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 21 2004 01:34 GMT
#2
The original strategies I've posted up there are mainly just as examples, and may very well suck badly You guys feel free to fix them.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17017 Posts
October 21 2004 01:43 GMT
#3
Yay?

^_^

Good work.
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ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 21 2004 01:49 GMT
#4
The idea is to lay the foundation for what may later become a useful guide for all up-and-coming Protoss players, and maybe useful for all. What would be particularly useful now:
  • BOs involving Corsair tech
  • Variations on the rush themes
  • Other Economy strategies/BOs

Thanks
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 21 2004 01:51 GMT
#5
I dont like the cheese definition 100%; I dont think its bm in any way, its just a risky playstyle.
A player loosing to cheese can not say "I lost, but he cheesed", if you die to it, its your own fault.
All imo.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 21 2004 01:51 GMT
#6
Good work. I can't really add to PvZ much, but we could do the same for the odder MUs...
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 21 2004 01:55 GMT
#7
Orome,
I hope to get other matchups going after I've got a little more content on this crucial matchup. Hopefully people can give replays, references, etc. here.

Jtan,
Notice the quotes on "bad manner" I mean that people (especially newbies) will often call cheese strategies bad manner, whether they really are or not. In my opinion, a strategy gets what it deserves; if they beat you with it, you only look like more of a fool for calling it BM. I mean, think about it -- according to the BM sayers, Boxer and Nal_Ra would be the most bad manner players of all time! I think that as long as it's legit and it isn't hacking, it's all good
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 21 2004 02:00 GMT
#8
On October 21 2004 10:55 ShadowMaster wrote:
Orome,
I hope to get other matchups going after I've got a little more content on this crucial matchup. Hopefully people can give replays, references, etc. here.


Sounds great! I'll be happy to help you in any MU involving Terran
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 21 2004 02:07 GMT
#9
corsair dt rush

dt drop which involves getting the gas ass before gateway

observer tech with dragoons

dragoon fast expo

weapon 1 upgrade zlot rush


gl with that
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ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 21 2004 02:18 GMT
#10
Thanks ahk-gosu,
Right now I'm just trying to round up PvZ BOs, where a few of those sounded like PvT (all the ones involving goons). I've never heard of a DT drop with gas before gateway on a land map; any BO and reference for that?

If someone could contribute good BOs for +1 weapon and corsair/DT rush, I would really appreciate it
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
October 21 2004 03:46 GMT
#11
as Terran player i could help you with PvT i really good know how to kill terran (but not how to kill toss )
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 21 2004 03:51 GMT
#12
On October 21 2004 12:46 SuNDAnce wrote:
as Terran player i could help you with PvT i really good know how to kill terran (but not how to kill toss )


That was one of the dumber posts I've read on this forum -_-
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
October 21 2004 07:26 GMT
#13
Hrmm.... quite the effort you put into that post... you have HIGH expectations for this thread. I don't want to create a self fulfilling prophesy, but I don't see it happening quite like you imagine it.
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
previousemperor
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada271 Posts
October 21 2004 07:49 GMT
#14
thank you I am protoss user
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 21 2004 07:57 GMT
#15
On October 21 2004 11:18 ShadowMaster wrote:
Thanks ahk-gosu,
Right now I'm just trying to round up PvZ BOs, where a few of those sounded like PvT (all the ones involving goons). I've never heard of a DT drop with gas before gateway on a land map; any BO and reference for that?

If someone could contribute good BOs for +1 weapon and corsair/DT rush, I would really appreciate it


i get a pylon at 7-8 then gateway. make zlots to cover a ramp or to just protect or harass. cyber. 1 starport and get a goon if hes harassing your block. pump corsairs and get weapon 1 upgrade for air. if your daring get fleet beacon and get d web ive had a lot of success with this. when a few sairs are going up get another gate and citadel then templar. get some dts but dont forget that dts die really fast if they are detected and you must have zlots and goons to support them. they are assassins not grunts.

if he has hydras get weapon 1 for ground because hydras take 2 hits from dts if the weapon up is done. just kill his detectors and let the dts do their work. this has worked really well vs muta rushes because the dts eat up that spire in like 10 seconds. adjust as is needed.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
October 21 2004 09:31 GMT
#16
Look. Protoss vs Zerg is all about Toss getting the same amount of expos as the zerg and zerg trying to take more. The only thing is, is that toss never attacks in time and always over estimates zerg. It's pretty simple in micro/macro from there.
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
October 21 2004 09:38 GMT
#17
3 lines. and you have pvz down to an art. dude try to give him something to work with if you want to help. put some effort into it.
A firebat to your Zergling.
pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
October 21 2004 10:12 GMT
#18
for the canon section this will work 100% if you know they will exp,

8pylon 9gateway 11forge made make zeal on 13 make 2nd pylon where your canon will be perfectly at the range it can hit the hatchery, than you i usually wont make another zeal make 2 canons than keep pumping zeals while getting gas i have a few reps if anyone wants them.
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pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
October 21 2004 10:29 GMT
#19
On October 21 2004 16:57 ahk-gosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2004 11:18 ShadowMaster wrote:
Thanks ahk-gosu,
Right now I'm just trying to round up PvZ BOs, where a few of those sounded like PvT (all the ones involving goons). I've never heard of a DT drop with gas before gateway on a land map; any BO and reference for that?

If someone could contribute good BOs for +1 weapon and corsair/DT rush, I would really appreciate it


i get a pylon at 7-8 then gateway. make zlots to cover a ramp or to just protect or harass. cyber. 1 starport and get a goon if hes harassing your block. pump corsairs and get weapon 1 upgrade for air. if your daring get fleet beacon and get d web ive had a lot of success with this. when a few sairs are going up get another gate and citadel then templar. get some dts but dont forget that dts die really fast if they are detected and you must have zlots and goons to support them. they are assassins not grunts.

if he has hydras get weapon 1 for ground because hydras take 2 hits from dts if the weapon up is done. just kill his detectors and let the dts do their work. this has worked really well vs muta rushes because the dts eat up that spire in like 10 seconds. adjust as is needed.


that is so wrong, dont ever pump sair early game not even vs mutas, do not get weapons vs hydras armor is much better.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 21 2004 10:43 GMT
#20
Cannons if he's going muta, then get goons, range, HT, and archons. Cosairs do not work well against mutas (even with the +1 air) unless you have them in large quantity (i.e. 8+).

Good Zerg player can destroy the Sair+DT rush relatively easily with 4-6 hatches poping out 1-2/1-2 Hydras and lings.
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