• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:07
CEST 21:07
KST 04:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru0BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack0Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 42440 users

I will try your ideas on ICCup! - Page 3

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 24 25 26 Next All
WheelOfTime
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-23 21:48:57
December 23 2009 21:48 GMT
#41
DO THIS PLEASE TRY THIS. TVP medic/wraith madness.

It works when I play D/D+ tosses (my T offrace is prolly C-/C?).

General Build goes:

Siege expand (NO FD, I repeat, NO FD because you don't want P to get early obs)

Transition into deep 3-6 depending on the game flow, build enough m&m not to die to the toss army.

Build less tanks / get natural gas early, and build 2-3 starports. Research optical flare.

Push out when you have 6-9 wraiths, scan observers and blind them, pick off shuttle/reaver/HTs as you would with mutas with your cloaked wraiths.

Without splashing reavers/HTs, pure goons/zealots will melt to your mm and tanks, especially if with added wraith DPS.

Denying scouting is the hardest part I've found... turrets all around base wastes too much minerals. Try ninja'ing the starports somewhere on the map where the toss wouldn't scout them, and when he sees your low rax/fact count he'll just think you're totally noob.

TRY IT vs higher rank tosses please k thx.



feuxfollets
Profile Joined May 2009
United States61 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-23 21:52:45
December 23 2009 21:52 GMT
#42
Hmmm crazy Bio TvP idea:

Go 1 base MnM; the P will either respond with either fast templar or reaver tech (if he FEs just kill him).

If he goes templar, go SK terran ish and irradiate all of his HTs before engaging his army.

If he goes reaver, get ghosts and use lockdown to neutralize them.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4978 Posts
December 23 2009 22:52 GMT
#43
Kind of what WheelOfTime said.
I'd like to see optical flare used in:
TvP (scan/optical flare/mines/wraith(/emp-nuke)) and
TvZ ( optical flare/mines/wraith(/ghost))

PvZ goon/reaver/obs/sair(dweb)
PvZ hallucinated archons/units instead of storm.

ZvT Ensnare/Hydra(/ling) vs MM
FBH #1!
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
December 23 2009 23:04 GMT
#44
PvZ

although it is a viable cheese (see movie vs jaedong) but a very entertaining build is the 5 gate goon strat. How about it? Even if you can't kill the other guy right away (in which case you should usually be screwed) don't give up and instead go goon temp (a build that is almost obsolete XD)
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
December 23 2009 23:15 GMT
#45
I haven't got a build order but, some things u can try in games as zerg.
- Parasite detect on neutral units.
- Placing 1/2 lurkers behind the opponents third /second expo before the opponent has expanded, use stop lurkers. Boom, attack workers when he's filled up with workers.
It will probably never work, especially if mutas are used, but with lucky placement it could be quite effective early game. As a small slow drop attack but without upgrading drop.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
December 23 2009 23:23 GMT
#46
Sk-N Terran

Basically SK-TERRAN, but you delay your second starport, get faster 3rd base and get Nukes, i've done it a couple of times, you can launch the nuke right as defilers are poping out :D, so the idea is to use the nuke instead of tanks :D
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
invy
Profile Joined April 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina41 Posts
December 24 2009 00:48 GMT
#47
ZvZ idea

I am interested in Ling - Scourge - Spore combination.

Since almost everyone will go muta, you go heavy scourge (cheaper) to eliminate or force mutas to run. Scourges are cheap, you can also kill overlords to mess up supply and delay the other zerg. The idea of the build is to harrass him with scourge until you have enough lings to overrun him. The goal is to run into base and kill the drones, assassin like style.
Building scourge will mean that you have extra minerals to spend for zerglings.

Make 2 spores to protect mineral lines. Queen comes to mind if the game is long enough: slow group of mutas and: - secondary: try to kill them with scourge - primary: use the time when they are slowed to kill the drones in his base with zerglings. Then you can build mutas yourself or finish him off with scourge/zergling combination.

Since you need to get Evo Chamber earlier, +1 melee might be doable. At least 2 hatcheries are needed to produce enough units.

Worth a try I think.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 24 2009 00:58 GMT
#48
PvZ, using a shuttle full of zealots to harass Zerg and delay their mid-game hydra push, like a cheaper version of Sair/Reaver. (maybe take a 3rd with the saved minerals?)

this sounds really hard to do and it's OK if you don't do it.
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
December 24 2009 01:07 GMT
#49
PvT, go the normal cyber timing but make no goons or range, just throw down a citadel straight after, plus another 2 gates and do 4gate speedzeal rush.
Oh no
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
December 24 2009 01:10 GMT
#50
Haha, those korean funny starcraft videos. Even though I don't understand, his personality is funny. He keeps on putting on suspense music when the time comes to attack. Keeps cheering for himself. His background on the second video was sonic with some kind of head drawn over it, making me laugh.
☺ ☻
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
December 24 2009 01:11 GMT
#51
On December 24 2009 09:48 invy wrote:
ZvZ idea

I am interested in Ling - Scourge - Spore combination.

Since almost everyone will go muta, you go heavy scourge (cheaper) to eliminate or force mutas to run. Scourges are cheap, you can also kill overlords to mess up supply and delay the other zerg. The idea of the build is to harrass him with scourge until you have enough lings to overrun him. The goal is to run into base and kill the drones, assassin like style.
Building scourge will mean that you have extra minerals to spend for zerglings.

Make 2 spores to protect mineral lines. Queen comes to mind if the game is long enough: slow group of mutas and: - secondary: try to kill them with scourge - primary: use the time when they are slowed to kill the drones in his base with zerglings. Then you can build mutas yourself or finish him off with scourge/zergling combination.

Since you need to get Evo Chamber earlier, +1 melee might be doable. At least 2 hatcheries are needed to produce enough units.

Worth a try I think.


Didn't Yarnc actually do something like this v type-b?w
Elaeli
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany62 Posts
December 24 2009 01:17 GMT
#52
ZvP/Z

9 hat
9 pool
9 gas
9 over
hat, over and pool finish at same time, build zerglings until 18/18
speed @ 100 gas, take drones off
attack with 1,5 groups lings, speed finishes when your last lings are halfway to his base.

drone up, 2 base hydra or muta from there
Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
December 24 2009 01:23 GMT
#53
TvZ MnM sunken break with nuke
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
December 24 2009 02:07 GMT
#54
2 port wraith TvP

Use scans to find observers and cloaked wraiths to snipe them. Tosses almost never get cannons before their 3rd expansion and rely solely on observers for detection. Combine cloaked wraiths with vulture mines for contain, map control, and expansion. Good number of probe kills before the toss becomes smart and sends more than 1 observer.

The cloak should ideally finish around the time ur scans have about 80 energy...im guessing you should throw up acad as soon as you start the starport. You can prolly do this best if you transition from a facport build and make it seem like the wraiths are a counter to reavers. I think combined with vultures, this build will cripple the toss econ until he gets cannons. If he does get cannons, then he's still gonna have to deal with being contained and wasting 450-750 minerals on cannons, which makes up for the wraiths in minerals...

The problem is finding the minerals and the gas for tanks hahahah so wraiths will have to be cut after the 6th wraith or something like that.

im deaf
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
December 24 2009 02:13 GMT
#55
PvT sair/reaver... few goons for vultures...
Stork FAN!!!
GW.Methos
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States249 Posts
December 24 2009 02:23 GMT
#56
5pool zvz on destination
i.pwn.n00bs
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
December 24 2009 02:25 GMT
#57
--- Nuked ---
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
December 24 2009 02:34 GMT
#58
Though this has been proven to work I REALLY want a rep of this. The Royal Stove. 1 scout -> DT - DA - MC a SCV - > Build Terran Mech Army -> Arbiter -> Recall sieged tanks into their base.
Dota 3hard5me
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
December 24 2009 02:51 GMT
#59
--- Nuked ---
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
December 24 2009 03:00 GMT
#60
On December 24 2009 10:11 win8282 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 09:48 invy wrote:
ZvZ idea

I am interested in Ling - Scourge - Spore combination.

Since almost everyone will go muta, you go heavy scourge (cheaper) to eliminate or force mutas to run. Scourges are cheap, you can also kill overlords to mess up supply and delay the other zerg. The idea of the build is to harrass him with scourge until you have enough lings to overrun him. The goal is to run into base and kill the drones, assassin like style.
Building scourge will mean that you have extra minerals to spend for zerglings.

Make 2 spores to protect mineral lines. Queen comes to mind if the game is long enough: slow group of mutas and: - secondary: try to kill them with scourge - primary: use the time when they are slowed to kill the drones in his base with zerglings. Then you can build mutas yourself or finish him off with scourge/zergling combination.

Since you need to get Evo Chamber earlier, +1 melee might be doable. At least 2 hatcheries are needed to produce enough units.

Worth a try I think.


Didn't Yarnc actually do something like this v type-b?w

3hat ling/scourge builds like this used to be the standard zvz until muta micro greatly improved and made them pretty obsolete at the progamer level though there are still some games where you can see a greater emphasis on scourge. At low level zvz, it's perfectly fine to do as scourge are imba then.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 24 25 26 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 716
BRAT_OK 90
UpATreeSC 89
MindelVK 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 5463
Sea 2275
Mini 622
Dewaltoss 195
Aegong 50
sSak 26
yabsab 17
Sacsri 16
Counter-Strike
fl0m6954
olofmeister3571
rGuardiaN101
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu440
Khaldor163
Other Games
tarik_tv44137
gofns15354
Grubby1145
FrodaN858
Beastyqt582
ceh9501
shahzam278
Mew2King81
TKL 69
Trikslyr53
QueenE52
ZombieGrub48
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream1303
Other Games
BasetradeTV96
StarCraft 2
angryscii 40
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta30
• Reevou 7
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21333
League of Legends
• Jankos1688
• TFBlade1000
Other Games
• imaqtpie982
• Shiphtur364
• WagamamaTV167
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
4h 53m
GSL Code S
14h 23m
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 6h
GSL Code S
1d 14h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Cheesadelphia
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.