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zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-12 00:29:44
September 12 2009 00:28 GMT
#21
HELL YEAH - I've done it with Hallucinated Carriers in a big 2v2 ash tileset map - can't remember the name right now, damn - one with long walk distances but short air distance that was popular maybe 3-4 years ago.

4 real carriers, 8 hallucinations, sent them in against a T who had no anti-air and typed GG (I know, bad manner, but it was just a huge bluff), guy said GG and quit, I felt like a champion.

I wonder if that dude ever watched the replay of that game... hahaha...
"The quest for nexus has brought many men of genius to insanity... HUEHUEHUE!"
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
September 12 2009 00:30 GMT
#22
On September 12 2009 09:15 Crisis_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^


Wow, that IS pretty sexy. never thought about that

Sexy but also really bad

Much better to simply storm the hydras....such a waste of money to get hallcination at that point in the game. Not to mention the waste of energy. 2 extra obs arent even very hard to snipe

Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
September 12 2009 00:35 GMT
#23
Hallucinated carriers don't have interceptors, so when they attack it will only show the interceptors of one carrier. Hallucinating zealots for zealot bombs and for taking dmg vs a T might be viable but you gotta think what you could've done with the storms.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
September 12 2009 00:40 GMT
#24
This is viable in situations but the reason hallucination isnt used is because storm is more useful by ALOT.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
September 12 2009 00:55 GMT
#25
Hallucinated my allies battlecruisers and we attacked together... so that's saying, I mind controlled another race AND massed up, gg
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 12 2009 01:07 GMT
#26
On September 12 2009 08:46 xhuwin wrote:
I don't know of any games where hallucination was used for a deceptive purpose. But having a couple thousand HP worth of tanking units is pretty useful in PvT. Question is whether storm would be better suited. I imagine there exist timing windows where a mass hallucination zeal goon break against a terran would work.


Hallucinations take extra damage from everything. They just melt away to mines and don't really tank much imo
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
September 12 2009 01:07 GMT
#27
On September 12 2009 09:00 Pokebunny wrote:
Yeah, most players will fight the mass of units and then give up.


this it the way it should be. why would anyone give up when they still have an army?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
WhitE.ChapeL
Profile Joined September 2009
Korea (South)30 Posts
September 12 2009 01:37 GMT
#28
I think some progamer (whose name i keep forgetting) did that once vs some terran player
he hallucinated arbiters so it looked like he had 8-10 when he really had 2 and split them into 2 groups (the fake ones going north end of terran base, real ones going a little to the south)
the terran player overreacted and sent his whole force over to the group with fake arbs and left the 2 real arbs free to recall.
so pvt hallucinate arbs= good
"Life is like a box of chocolates. Just as the taste is different for each chocolate that we pick, the results can be different based on what we choose in our lives."
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-12 01:56:34
September 12 2009 01:55 GMT
#29
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

wow thats fucking genius
what about bisu using this on shuttles? it would be hard for someone to snipe a shuttle with scourgee, or even hydras.. ya? or on corsairs? hallunication costing 100psi is redic though
Entusman #51
DivGradCurl
Profile Joined August 2009
United States30 Posts
September 12 2009 02:44 GMT
#30
Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod

^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash

Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4...

Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...
Aznleeman
Profile Joined November 2007
United States208 Posts
September 12 2009 03:26 GMT
#31
I've gotten in situations where templar and archons were the only units available in PvP. It's extremely fun hallucinating dark templar and watching your opponent say "wtf?"
._.???
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
September 12 2009 03:34 GMT
#32
what about in PvP, when you have like goon/templar battles, you have a huge war and both players end up with like 2 dragoons left, but you have 3 temps with lots of health coming fast in the rally.. if you have 2 dragoons at his choke and mass hallucination and attack his expo, and he only has 2-3 dragoons, he may GG there.. Im sure its very possible, I think if I saw my expo was being hit by like 10+ dragoons and I only had 2, I would gg
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
wok
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States504 Posts
September 12 2009 03:38 GMT
#33
On September 12 2009 11:44 DivGradCurl wrote:
Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod

^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash

Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4...

Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...


He didn't gg at the carriers. He gg'd at his entire army getting raped by storm.
I'll race you to defeatism... you win.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
September 12 2009 03:42 GMT
#34
On September 12 2009 11:44 DivGradCurl wrote:
Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod

^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash

Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4...

Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...

He would have died to the one that's needed to make the carriers
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
September 12 2009 03:42 GMT
#35
hahaha long time ago (4 years?) I did PvZ where I hallucinated about 2 ctrl groups of archon, zerg just GGed right when he saw them lol, didn't even bother checking
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Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
September 12 2009 04:02 GMT
#36
On September 12 2009 09:22 Polyphasic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^


ya, that's pretty sexy.

On September 12 2009 10:55 Mobius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

wow thats fucking genius


Not really. Hallucinated observers and dark templar don't cloak. It should have been utterly obvious to the opponent that there were hallucinated observers, because there is no other way to see them uncloaked.
ArcticxWolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-12 05:05:50
September 12 2009 05:05 GMT
#37
On September 12 2009 13:02 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 09:22 Polyphasic wrote:
On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^


ya, that's pretty sexy.

Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 10:55 Mobius wrote:
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

wow thats fucking genius


Not really. Hallucinated observers and dark templar don't cloak. It should have been utterly obvious to the opponent that there were hallucinated observers, because there is no other way to see them uncloaked.


I'm assuming that they would probably have overlords and scourge/hydra to support the lurkers anyway, since there would be no other reason to hallucinate the observer in the first place if you can just make it sit there while your other units kill the lurkers, in which case, it doesn't even matter whether they can see them or not. >___>
ASDF
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 12 2009 05:18 GMT
#38
On September 12 2009 09:22 Polyphasic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.


thats pretty sexy ^^


ya, that's pretty sexy.

Indeed very sex.
In the woods, there lurks..
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 12 2009 05:47 GMT
#39
If hallucination cost 50 psi it would be such an awesome ability and it would be used in pro games.

too bad...what could have been...
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
DivGradCurl
Profile Joined August 2009
United States30 Posts
September 12 2009 06:16 GMT
#40
yeah why in god's name does hallucinate cost more than irradiate? Can anyone figure that one out?
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