I was wondering if anyone has seen a pro game or a recognizable game in which a player forfeits to a toss because he assumes a mass of troops, many of which being hallucinations, is too overwhelming to defeat.

I'm not talking about casting hallucination on arbs, but on regular troops like dragoons and zealots.

For example: P attacks T's expansion with a sizable, real force and drops 10 hallucinated
zealots (and a couple real ones) in the main while T's attention is distracted momentarily. T assums he cannot recover and quickly types the GG.

Has anyone won like this before?

da_head

Canada3350 Posts

September 11 2009 23:19 GMT

i've done it in casual games with carriers lol. my fleet of 5 becomes 24

but they don't send out interceptors which ruins the fun

Zoler

Sweden6339 Posts

September 11 2009 23:19 GMT

Pros have enough game sense that they would know when they suddenly see like 12 carriers (thats the only unit that could ever force a sudden gg) that they would know instantly that it's impossible.

I'm sure it has happened millions of times on b.net / iccup tho ^^

Iaaan

Canada578 Posts

September 11 2009 23:22 GMT

I think progamers would notice/stay in until the end ;p but 30 fake archons pvz is alot of fun ^^

LarJarsE

United States1378 Posts

September 11 2009 23:31 GMT

Yeah but say pvt, just done with a large battle with sizable loss of troops on both sides. P hallucinates a 10-20 additional troops and attacks his enemy before his troops have been trained. I could see the terran saying GG before he even finds out the troops are hallucinations.

If anyone can find a VOD of such a game please post it.

Entertaining

Canada793 Posts

September 11 2009 23:31 GMT

I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

Navane

Netherlands2762 Posts

September 11 2009 23:36 GMT

pro gamers know how much units his enemy should have -- so they know its fake when its too much

Zoler

Sweden6339 Posts

September 11 2009 23:36 GMT

On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

thats pretty sexy ^^

Triple7

United States656 Posts

September 11 2009 23:40 GMT

I can just imagine the commentators' reaction to this.

ketomai

United States2789 Posts

September 11 2009 23:45 GMT

#10

I don't think it's useful because you don't usually gg out unless your army just got wiped out and THEN you see a bunch of units. And usually, as Terran, losing your whole army is GG anyways. The best thing I think would be to use it to force tech switches.

xhuwin

United States476 Posts

September 11 2009 23:46 GMT

#11

I don't know of any games where hallucination was used for a deceptive purpose. But having a couple thousand HP worth of tanking units is pretty useful in PvT. Question is whether storm would be better suited. I imagine there exist timing windows where a mass hallucination zeal goon break against a terran would work.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

September 12 2009 00:00 GMT

#12

Yeah, most players will fight the mass of units and then give up.

LarJarsE

United States1378 Posts

September 12 2009 00:10 GMT

#13

The scenario I suggested is when a Protoss' opponent has lost lost or most of his troops. Mid game, even a progamer cannot determine that a group of units is hallucinated (unless its like a bunch of carriers or a bunch or arbs or archons, or unless one of the hallucinated units vaporizes or is killed on screen).

Say a Terran's natural is being attacked with goons and zeals, and with his latest cycle of units, attempts to defend the natural. Out of nowhere 12 zealots are dropped in the main (It would be better if at least 4 were real to show they can kill SCVs).

I'm pretty sure the opponent would throw down the GG before he had the chance to find out the scheme.

Crisis_

United States165 Posts

September 12 2009 00:15 GMT

#14

On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:

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thats pretty sexy ^^

Wow, that IS pretty sexy. never thought about that

Duckvillelol

Australia1259 Posts

September 12 2009 00:16 GMT

#15

Bisu versus... someone in msl or osl, he used hallucinate on zealots I believe and cleared mines before his proper force went in. I'll try and find the vid. At least I think it was Bisu :S

The only other time you can use hallucinate is with arbiters to give them cover while running through a turret line, that can be seen in all sorts of pvt late game matches.

Me personally, I only ever use it on zealots as a decoy, or sometimes on dark archons.

Bebop Berserker

United States246 Posts

September 12 2009 00:17 GMT

#16

It may have been on pimpest plays. you should check it out. still not as good as the time vs july that casey faked his expo by allowing his workers to mine from the crystal at his expansion for 1 round. Epic.

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

September 12 2009 00:18 GMT

#17

Id cry if i found out i lost to hallus

guMmiwormz

United States312 Posts

September 12 2009 00:20 GMT

#18

On September 12 2009 09:16 Duckvillelol wrote:
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yes it was vs iris in game 5.

Zoler

Sweden6339 Posts

September 12 2009 00:20 GMT

#19

On September 12 2009 09:17 Bebop Berserker wrote:
It may have been on pimpest plays. you should check it out. still not as good as the time vs july that casey faked his expo by allowing his workers to mine from the crystal at his expansion for 1 round. Epic.

Yeah, it's in some PP, don't remember which tho. It's toss attacking terran with like a group of hallucinated zealots at lost temple. From like year 2002 i think

maybe even before that