Bluffing a win with hallucinated troops

On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:


thats pretty sexy ^^

On September 12 2009 09:16 Duckvillelol wrote:
Bisu versus... someone in msl or osl, he used hallucinate on zealots I believe and cleared mines before his proper force went in. I'll try and find the vid. At least I think it was Bisu :S

The only other time you can use hallucinate is with arbiters to give them cover while running through a turret line, that can be seen in all sorts of pvt late game matches.

Me personally, I only ever use it on zealots as a decoy, or sometimes on dark archons.

On September 12 2009 09:17 Bebop Berserker wrote:
It may have been on pimpest plays. you should check it out. still not as good as the time vs july that casey faked his expo by allowing his workers to mine from the crystal at his expansion for 1 round. Epic.

On September 12 2009 08:36 Zoler wrote:


thats pretty sexy ^^

On September 12 2009 09:15 Crisis_ wrote:


Wow, that IS pretty sexy. never thought about that

On September 12 2009 08:46 xhuwin wrote:
I don't know of any games where hallucination was used for a deceptive purpose. But having a couple thousand HP worth of tanking units is pretty useful in PvT. Question is whether storm would be better suited. I imagine there exist timing windows where a mass hallucination zeal goon break against a terran would work.

On September 12 2009 09:00 Pokebunny wrote:
Yeah, most players will fight the mass of units and then give up.

On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

On September 12 2009 11:44 DivGradCurl wrote:
Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod

^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash

Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4...

Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...

On September 12 2009 11:44 DivGradCurl wrote:
Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod

^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash

Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4...

Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...

On September 12 2009 09:22 Polyphasic wrote:


ya, that's pretty sexy.

On September 12 2009 10:55 Mobius wrote:

wow thats fucking genius

On September 12 2009 13:02 Kyadytim wrote:



Not really. Hallucinated observers and dark templar don't cloak. It should have been utterly obvious to the opponent that there were hallucinated observers, because there is no other way to see them uncloaked.

On September 12 2009 09:28 zazen wrote:
HELL YEAH - I've done it with Hallucinated Carriers in a big 2v2 ash tileset map - can't remember the name right now, damn - one with long walk distances but short air distance that was popular maybe 3-4 years ago.

On September 13 2009 18:02 SaveYourSavior wrote:
sadly hallucinated units will lose their cloak

On September 12 2009 10:37 WhitE.ChapeL wrote:
I think some progamer (whose name i keep forgetting) did that once vs some terran player
he hallucinated arbiters so it looked like he had 8-10 when he really had 2 and split them into 2 groups (the fake ones going north end of terran base, real ones going a little to the south)
the terran player overreacted and sent his whole force over to the group with fake arbs and left the 2 real arbs free to recall.
so pvt hallucinate arbs= good

On September 12 2009 09:22 Polyphasic wrote:


ya, that's pretty sexy.

On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote:
I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it.

On September 12 2009 14:05 ArcticxWolf wrote:


I'm assuming that they would probably have overlords and scourge/hydra to support the lurkers anyway, since there would be no other reason to hallucinate the observer in the first place if you can just make it sit there while your other units kill the lurkers, in which case, it doesn't even matter whether they can see them or not. >___>

On September 13 2009 22:23 Triple7 wrote:

QFT

On September 12 2009 08:19 Zoler wrote:
Pros have enough game sense that they would know when they suddenly see like 12 carriers (thats the only unit that could ever force a sudden gg) that they would know instantly that it's impossible.

I'm sure it has happened millions of times on b.net / iccup tho ^^

On September 13 2009 21:21 cyronc wrote:


the only problem here is that hallucinated observers arent transparent(cuz hallucinations dont inherit perma-cloak) and thus a zerg who is paying attention should see which obses are the right ones and which are the fake ones, same holds true for dts (the transparent ones are the detected real units the untransparent ones the fake units)

anyways props to confusing a noob =)

On September 14 2009 04:39 GreEny K wrote:


Im assuming the Z player would have an Ovie there as well so he could snipe the obs, so it wouldnt matter if they were visible or invisible the ovie would spot them both.

On September 12 2009 09:22 Polyphasic wrote:


ya, that's pretty sexy.

On September 14 2009 10:03 generic88 wrote:



That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. I mean, I've seen a lot of pro games where the Protoss loses because he keeps losing his 1-3 obs to scourge when trying to take out Lurkers. I mean hallucination and you could send in 2x as many hallucinated observers with your real ones.

On September 14 2009 04:35 GreEny K wrote:


I have seen games where they hide carrier tech until it is too late to counter it, of course the T would notice that there are 4 groups of ground units and then 24 carriers which means something isnt right since he needs probes in there as well so he would assume something is off.

On September 15 2009 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote:
lol at everyone who believes hallucinated obs to break a lurker contain happened or works. First of all, hallucinated obs don't have detection (don't think it's what he meant though). Secondly, the fake obs won't be cloak-revealed (with the slightly greyer hue to them). They will be bright (fully uncloaked) and odd looking. Clear signal that they are fake. This would never work on a player who has any sense.


The only way I could see this working is if the player hallucinated like 6+ obs and then used magic boxes to air stack like muta so you couldn't pinpoint the real ob. But I don't even know if this would work. because hallucinated obs die really really really fast.

On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote:

dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units)

On September 14 2009 23:14 Ftrunkz wrote:
what about, late game, when u have 2-3 stargates for arb production anyway, hallucinating a few carriers and taking the 1 + 4ish carriers + ground army to attack the terran somewhere, be it recall or whatever, forcing mass goliath production from the terran rather than the cheaper/faster vultures... is this at at viable or just ridiculous theory crafting? I guess maybe if fleet beacon and hallu weren't so expensive..... Still, doesnt seem like much in those PvT games where you're maxed and have like >2k banked up while massing gates.

On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote:

dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units)

On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote:

dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units)

On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote:

dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units)

On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote:

dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units)

On September 12 2009 16:50 404.Delirium wrote:
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I think it has a lot more potential than it's given credit for, but forcing a bluff-win from it would probably mean you already had the advantage. Unless you hallu'd a lot of DT and then hallu'd a shuttle or two
and dropped a massive, non-existent army of cloaked units from hell into a Terran's ridiculously early in the game.

*Signs into iccup*

*thinks about it*

*Tries to get Artosis contact information for an experimental test of this build*

On September 12 2009 08:16 larjarse wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has seen a pro game or a recognizable game in which a player forfeits to a toss because he assumes a mass of troops, many of which being hallucinations, is too overwhelming to defeat.

I'm not talking about casting hallucination on arbs, but on regular troops like dragoons and zealots.

For example: P attacks T's expansion with a sizable, real force and drops 10 hallucinated
zealots (and a couple real ones) in the main while T's attention is distracted momentarily. T assums he cannot recover and quickly types the GG.

Has anyone won like this before?

On September 16 2009 07:30 SatouxKisei wrote:
im glad you know that hallu obs look weird buddi but no one ever uses them pvz so no ones gonna know what they look like