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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
I'm not talking about casting hallucination on arbs, but on regular troops like dragoons and zealots. For example: P attacks T's expansion with a sizable, real force and drops 10 hallucinated zealots (and a couple real ones) in the main while T's attention is distracted momentarily. T assums he cannot recover and quickly types the GG. Has anyone won like this before? | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
 but they don't send out interceptors which ruins the fun  | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
I'm sure it has happened millions of times on b.net / iccup tho ^^ | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
If anyone can find a VOD of such a game please post it. | ||
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Entertaining
Canada793 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2751 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote: I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it. thats pretty sexy ^^ | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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xhuwin
United States476 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
Say a Terran's natural is being attacked with goons and zeals, and with his latest cycle of units, attempts to defend the natural. Out of nowhere 12 zealots are dropped in the main (It would be better if at least 4 were real to show they can kill SCVs). I'm pretty sure the opponent would throw down the GG before he had the chance to find out the scheme. | ||
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Crisis_
United States165 Posts
Wow, that IS pretty sexy. never thought about that | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1256 Posts
 Bisu versus... someone in msl or osl, he used hallucinate on zealots I believe and cleared mines before his proper force went in. I'll try and find the vid. At least I think it was Bisu :SThe only other time you can use hallucinate is with arbiters to give them cover while running through a turret line, that can be seen in all sorts of pvt late game matches. Me personally, I only ever use it on zealots as a decoy, or sometimes on dark archons. | ||
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Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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guMmiwormz
United States312 Posts
On September 12 2009 09:16 Duckvillelol wrote: Bisu versus... someone in msl or osl, he used hallucinate on zealots I believe and cleared mines before his proper force went in. I'll try and find the vid. At least I think it was Bisu :SThe only other time you can use hallucinate is with arbiters to give them cover while running through a turret line, that can be seen in all sorts of pvt late game matches. Me personally, I only ever use it on zealots as a decoy, or sometimes on dark archons. yes it was vs iris in game 5. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On September 12 2009 09:17 Bebop Berserker wrote: It may have been on pimpest plays. you should check it out. still not as good as the time vs july that casey faked his expo by allowing his workers to mine from the crystal at his expansion for 1 round. Epic. Yeah, it's in some PP, don't remember which tho. It's toss attacking terran with like a group of hallucinated zealots at lost temple. From like year 2002 i think  maybe even before that | ||
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Polyphasic
United States841 Posts
ya, that's pretty sexy. | ||
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
4 real carriers, 8 hallucinations, sent them in against a T who had no anti-air and typed GG (I know, bad manner, but it was just a huge bluff), guy said GG and quit, I felt like a champion. I wonder if that dude ever watched the replay of that game... hahaha... | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On September 12 2009 09:15 Crisis_ wrote: Wow, that IS pretty sexy. never thought about that Sexy but also really bad Much better to simply storm the hydras....such a waste of money to get hallcination at that point in the game. Not to mention the waste of energy. 2 extra obs arent even very hard to snipe | ||
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:46 xhuwin wrote: I don't know of any games where hallucination was used for a deceptive purpose. But having a couple thousand HP worth of tanking units is pretty useful in PvT. Question is whether storm would be better suited. I imagine there exist timing windows where a mass hallucination zeal goon break against a terran would work. Hallucinations take extra damage from everything. They just melt away to mines and don't really tank much imo | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On September 12 2009 09:00 Pokebunny wrote: Yeah, most players will fight the mass of units and then give up. this it the way it should be. why would anyone give up when they still have an army? | ||
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WhitE.ChapeL
Korea (South)30 Posts
he hallucinated arbiters so it looked like he had 8-10 when he really had 2 and split them into 2 groups (the fake ones going north end of terran base, real ones going a little to the south) the terran player overreacted and sent his whole force over to the group with fake arbs and left the 2 real arbs free to recall. so pvt hallucinate arbs= good | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote: I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it. wow thats fucking genius what about bisu using this on shuttles? it would be hard for someone to snipe a shuttle with scourgee, or even hydras.. ya? or on corsairs? hallunication costing 100psi is redic though | ||
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DivGradCurl
United States30 Posts
^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4... Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything... | ||
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Aznleeman
United States208 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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wok
United States504 Posts
On September 12 2009 11:44 DivGradCurl wrote: Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod ^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4... Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...He didn't gg at the carriers. He gg'd at his entire army getting raped by storm. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On September 12 2009 11:44 DivGradCurl wrote: Check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9657/vod ^^^ Jangbi vs. Flash Flash gg's like literally 2 secs after he see's the carriers... and Jangbi only had 4... Even if those had been hallucinations he would have won so I'm sure it's been done before even at the pro level. I mean those carriers didn't even kill anything...He would have died to the one that's needed to make the carriers | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
Not really. Hallucinated observers and dark templar don't cloak. It should have been utterly obvious to the opponent that there were hallucinated observers, because there is no other way to see them uncloaked. | ||
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ArcticxWolf
Canada45 Posts
On September 12 2009 13:02 Kyadytim wrote: Not really. Hallucinated observers and dark templar don't cloak. It should have been utterly obvious to the opponent that there were hallucinated observers, because there is no other way to see them uncloaked. I'm assuming that they would probably have overlords and scourge/hydra to support the lurkers anyway, since there would be no other reason to hallucinate the observer in the first place if you can just make it sit there while your other units kill the lurkers, in which case, it doesn't even matter whether they can see them or not. >___> | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Indeed very sex. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
too bad...what could have been... | ||
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DivGradCurl
United States30 Posts
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.playsc.com/bbs/attachments/month_0903/20090323_cb8a43ffe6a6f001fb931OFHzl4EB8oc.jpg) + Show Spoiler + Mind as well because I thought it was great and in the same post as the above photo: ![[image loading]](http://www.playsc.com/bbs/attachments/month_0903/20090323_8c79a2cb763dff2e82febMfug3V56B3C.jpg) I think it has a lot more potential than it's given credit for, but forcing a bluff-win from it would probably mean you already had the advantage. Unless you hallu'd a lot of DT and then hallu'd a shuttle or two and dropped a massive, non-existent army of cloaked units from hell into a Terran's ridiculously early in the game. *Signs into iccup* *thinks about it* *Tries to get Artosis contact information for an experimental test of this build* | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On September 12 2009 09:28 zazen wrote: HELL YEAH - I've done it with Hallucinated Carriers in a big 2v2 ash tileset map - can't remember the name right now, damn - one with long walk distances but short air distance that was popular maybe 3-4 years ago. Sounds like Legacy of Char to me | ||
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
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SaveYourSavior
United States1071 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On September 13 2009 18:02 SaveYourSavior wrote: sadly hallucinated units will lose their cloak Caught onto that in preliminary testing :< | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On September 12 2009 10:37 WhitE.ChapeL wrote: I think some progamer (whose name i keep forgetting) did that once vs some terran player he hallucinated arbiters so it looked like he had 8-10 when he really had 2 and split them into 2 groups (the fake ones going north end of terran base, real ones going a little to the south) the terran player overreacted and sent his whole force over to the group with fake arbs and left the 2 real arbs free to recall. so pvt hallucinate arbs= good i guess you are talking about a very old game of Nal_Ra here the game: About what the OP is asking, I am not sure to have seen that yet. I guess you need a good timing for that, i mean, after harassing a player over and over then just of the sudden hallucinate a huge mass... that would frustrate any player, I guess they would say "cheat!!" right away. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=727 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=34919 InteR.Fos vs InteR.Attain | ||
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Phrujbaz
Netherlands512 Posts
hmm, that's pretty sexy | ||
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cyronc
218 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:31 Entertaining wrote: I used it on my observers to break a lurker contain once... thats about it. the only problem here is that hallucinated observers arent transparent(cuz hallucinations dont inherit perma-cloak) and thus a zerg who is paying attention should see which obses are the right ones and which are the fake ones, same holds true for dts (the transparent ones are the detected real units the untransparent ones the fake units) anyways props to confusing a noob =) | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
On September 12 2009 14:05 ArcticxWolf wrote: I'm assuming that they would probably have overlords and scourge/hydra to support the lurkers anyway, since there would be no other reason to hallucinate the observer in the first place if you can just make it sit there while your other units kill the lurkers, in which case, it doesn't even matter whether they can see them or not. >___> QFT | ||
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geegee1
United States618 Posts
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cyronc
218 Posts
again this shouldnt work if z pays attention because detected cloaked observers and hallucinated observers look different for the z (detected cloaked observers retain transparency while hallucinations dont have any transparency) so this only works vs noobs... edited for fixing transperacy to transparency duh | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:19 Zoler wrote: Pros have enough game sense that they would know when they suddenly see like 12 carriers (thats the only unit that could ever force a sudden gg) that they would know instantly that it's impossible. I'm sure it has happened millions of times on b.net / iccup tho ^^ I have seen games where they hide carrier tech until it is too late to counter it, of course the T would notice that there are 4 groups of ground units and then 24 carriers which means something isnt right since he needs probes in there as well so he would assume something is off. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 13 2009 21:21 cyronc wrote: the only problem here is that hallucinated observers arent transparent(cuz hallucinations dont inherit perma-cloak) and thus a zerg who is paying attention should see which obses are the right ones and which are the fake ones, same holds true for dts (the transparent ones are the detected real units the untransparent ones the fake units) anyways props to confusing a noob =) Im assuming the Z player would have an Ovie there as well so he could snipe the obs, so it wouldnt matter if they were visible or invisible the ovie would spot them both. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On September 14 2009 04:39 GreEny K wrote: Im assuming the Z player would have an Ovie there as well so he could snipe the obs, so it wouldnt matter if they were visible or invisible the ovie would spot them both. no they actually look different still since they have different alpha values | ||
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generic88
United States118 Posts
That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. I mean, I've seen a lot of pro games where the Protoss loses because he keeps losing his 1-3 obs to scourge when trying to take out Lurkers. I mean hallucination and you could send in 2x as many hallucinated observers with your real ones. | ||
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cyronc
218 Posts
On September 14 2009 10:03 generic88 wrote: That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. I mean, I've seen a lot of pro games where the Protoss loses because he keeps losing his 1-3 obs to scourge when trying to take out Lurkers. I mean hallucination and you could send in 2x as many hallucinated observers with your real ones. please read my and evanthebouncy!'s posts first and then think about it again... | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On September 14 2009 04:35 GreEny K wrote: I have seen games where they hide carrier tech until it is too late to counter it, of course the T would notice that there are 4 groups of ground units and then 24 carriers which means something isnt right since he needs probes in there as well so he would assume something is off. What if you hallucinate your army in order to hide your carrier tech? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
The only way I could see this working is if the player hallucinated like 6+ obs and then used magic boxes to air stack like muta so you couldn't pinpoint the real ob. But I don't even know if this would work. because hallucinated obs die really really really fast. | ||
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JSMoody
United Kingdom2 Posts
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SatouxKisei
233 Posts
On September 15 2009 08:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol at everyone who believes hallucinated obs to break a lurker contain happened or works. First of all, hallucinated obs don't have detection (don't think it's what he meant though). Secondly, the fake obs won't be cloak-revealed (with the slightly greyer hue to them). They will be bright (fully uncloaked) and odd looking. Clear signal that they are fake. This would never work on a player who has any sense. The only way I could see this working is if the player hallucinated like 6+ obs and then used magic boxes to air stack like muta so you couldn't pinpoint the real ob. But I don't even know if this would work. because hallucinated obs die really really really fast. dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units) | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote: dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units) 1. Scourge AI sucks? What are you talking about - do you keep your scourge up front or in behind during a contain? The only time you're hitting observers is when you're deliberately sending scourge at it. 2. Since when are there spore colonies when the Zerg is containing the protoss with a lurker contain? 3. A spore colony would absolutely rape the observer within a few shots, dealing 30 dmg per shot it would take only a few seconds. Hallu troops take double dmg. Also, during a contain I'm pretty sure you'd need all the storms you could get. | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
On September 14 2009 23:14 Ftrunkz wrote: what about, late game, when u have 2-3 stargates for arb production anyway, hallucinating a few carriers and taking the 1 + 4ish carriers + ground army to attack the terran somewhere, be it recall or whatever, forcing mass goliath production from the terran rather than the cheaper/faster vultures... is this at at viable or just ridiculous theory crafting? I guess maybe if fleet beacon and hallu weren't so expensive..... Still, doesnt seem like much in those PvT games where you're maxed and have like >2k banked up while massing gates. I do that occasionally, and it works pretty well, I warp in a fleet beacon while my first set of arbs are coming in (from 2stargates) and then just make 2 carriers afterwards and hallu them so i've got the better part of a key and then do some fake harass (if you have them distanced right so that only your 2 real ones are in range, then its easier to make the opponent believe they are all real) then they go mass gol and you counter. works pretty well on maps where they are expecting carriers already so that they dont need a lot of convincing to tech switch to mass gol. | ||
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cyronc
218 Posts
On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote: dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units) and again i happily refer you ppl to posts stating the issue of 'hallucinated observers dont look like normal observers' posts of evanthebouncy! CharlieMurphy, myself and others... pls learn to read and process the information (Summary: alpha values=transperancy of a unit, and cloaked units (even if detected), look different than noncloaked ones using the same sprites(hallucinations), because cloaked units let a bit of the underlying graphics show through, while non-cloaked dont, its like detected cloak wraiths dont look the same to non-cloaked wraiths;hope you ppl finally got it) edited in: and just in case you referred to that being a non-issue in your oppinion, you can always force focused attack commands with spores/scourge(i guess you refer to spores for lurk/spore defended expos) | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote: dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units) Lol gj, calling him a retard as a start to such a beautiful complete fail post. | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
the other two are spawn broodling on HT and parasite on shuttles/archons/goons | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote: dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units) LOLLLLLLLL | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
On September 15 2009 18:27 SatouxKisei wrote: dude you're retarded, u hallu obs to take scourge hits or spore damage(scourge ai sucks, and spore autofires on units) /facepalm | ||
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Wivyx
Norway624 Posts
On September 12 2009 16:50 404.Delirium wrote: Taken from this page from this thread + Show Spoiler + Mind as well because I thought it was great and in the same post as the above photo: I think it has a lot more potential than it's given credit for, but forcing a bluff-win from it would probably mean you already had the advantage. Unless you hallu'd a lot of DT and then hallu'd a shuttle or two and dropped a massive, non-existent army of cloaked units from hell into a Terran's ridiculously early in the game. *Signs into iccup* *thinks about it* *Tries to get Artosis contact information for an experimental test of this build* Ouch. Poor T. | ||
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Prose
Canada314 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:16 larjarse wrote: I was wondering if anyone has seen a pro game or a recognizable game in which a player forfeits to a toss because he assumes a mass of troops, many of which being hallucinations, is too overwhelming to defeat. I'm not talking about casting hallucination on arbs, but on regular troops like dragoons and zealots. For example: P attacks T's expansion with a sizable, real force and drops 10 hallucinated zealots (and a couple real ones) in the main while T's attention is distracted momentarily. T assums he cannot recover and quickly types the GG. Has anyone won like this before? Pro will try saving his main, and when he sees Protoss units 'puffing in bluish white smoke', he'd know they're hallucinated. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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SatouxKisei
233 Posts
if u only have 1 ob n u see a shitload of scourge/spore u might as well hallu it. | ||
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SatouxKisei
233 Posts
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cyronc
218 Posts
On September 16 2009 07:30 SatouxKisei wrote: im glad you know that hallu obs look weird buddi but no one ever uses them pvz so no ones gonna know what they look like doesnt really matter since theyll know what real detected observers look like and your fakes JUST DONT LOOK LIKE THAT | ||
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MrWinkles
United States200 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
Also... Does anyone remember the old "blue goons" strat? ...and hallucinated carriers typically don't work, but when they do it is a nice chuckle. | ||
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