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mO.Palantir
Germany18 Posts
Why dont mention that Strelok had a forth cc building (surely for another expo) and by far more wbfs? And small numbers of protoss units everywhere will never stop a terran army. Anf of course anything can happen ever...but if the better player is in a (clear) lead...one can asume he will win? | ||
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
Strelok had a better econ, better army, bigger army, he's a better player, yet the game needs to be replayed because Fenix DCed...SDM had it right all along. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On July 05 2009 06:56 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: Yeah, the analysis by Artosis in itself was bias. He kept talking about Fenix had these "huge" forces around the map (which usually contained 2 dragoons and a few zealots). Fenix had a 4th with idle probes, and a 5th that was useless. Fenix had really only 1 base mining, with 20 less pop, NO arbiters, no storm, no nothing. Yet Strelok was only slightly ahead. ROFL. Any unbiased idiot can see Strelok taking this. Sure, anything can happen, but guess what, nothing happened because Fenix DCed. Strelok had a better econ, better army, bigger army, he's a better player, yet the game needs to be replayed because Fenix DCed...SDM had it right all along. actually no.....strelok could easily fuck up from there. Its not as if he was at fenix's base already. Arbiter was going to come out in ~ 15-30 seconds just because hes a "better" player you cant give him the win there rofl. Theres a reason the games are played. | ||
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machinehead..
412 Posts
I realize it's a "what if" game now, but it seemed obvious strelok was aware of the arbiter that was about to come into play; an attack was going to come, and he was going to be close to max. If terran knows you will have an arbiter out, and you only have 1, it's hard to really catch anyone off-guard with cloaked units. | ||
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On July 05 2009 06:56 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: Yeah, the analysis by Artosis in itself was bias. He kept talking about Fenix had these "huge" forces around the map (which usually contained 2 dragoons and a few zealots). Fenix had a 4th with idle probes, and a 5th that was useless. Fenix had really only 1 base mining, with 20 less pop, NO arbiters, no storm, no nothing. Yet Strelok was only slightly ahead. ROFL. Any unbiased idiot can see Strelok taking this. Sure, anything can happen, but guess what, nothing happened because Fenix DCed. Strelok had a better econ, better army, bigger army, he's a better player, yet the game needs to be replayed because Fenix DCed...SDM had it right all along. Wow you must be some kind of oracle to predict how well Strelok would've microed so easily. Oh I forgot, he's S-class, always plays perfectly and never makes mistakes. | ||
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
It's usually a very straight forward way of telling if I was winning or losing when I (or my opponent) get disconnnected mid game, or something like that. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On July 05 2009 08:14 Crunchums wrote: What happens if OSL is going on and bnet crashes? They use LAN pal.... | ||
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machinehead..
412 Posts
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
On July 05 2009 07:14 Sadist wrote: actually no.....strelok could easily fuck up from there. Its not as if he was at fenix's base already. Arbiter was going to come out in ~ 15-30 seconds just because hes a "better" player you cant give him the win there rofl. Theres a reason the games are played. WTH you talking about, Fenix is as likely or MORE likely to fuck up. He could of accidently drag a mine and kill 5 zealots. That is why we should judge who wins from the last second of the replay, and not from all the hypotheticals like "Stelok could mess up" . Strelok has advantage at the end of replay so he should get the win. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
the point you | ||
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Idle
Korea (South)124 Posts
On July 05 2009 09:18 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: WTH you talking about, Fenix is as likely or MORE likely to fuck up. He could of accidently drag a mine and kill 5 zealots. That is why we should judge who wins from the last second of the replay, and not from all the hypotheticals like "Stelok could mess up" . Strelok has advantage at the end of replay so he should get the win. The point is that either one of them could mess up. In 30 seconds the game could look completely different. Take a look at FBH vs Flash last week. At almost any point during that game you could've called it for FBH yet Flash eventually won rather decisively. Unless strelok was already in fenix's base killing off his tech you cannot call it either way. Awarding either of them a win from that is incredibly unfair move. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Even though one might argue Strelok is ahead it's definitely not the kind of lead u want to give someone a win for.. Seriously.. Replaying is the right decision. No fucking matter if you put 'final' in front of the decision. Replaying this game is clearly the right decision.. | ||
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
Why would Artosis have a biased opinion? He hates toss! :3 | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On July 05 2009 09:18 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: WTH you talking about, Fenix is as likely or MORE likely to fuck up. He could of accidently drag a mine and kill 5 zealots. That is why we should judge who wins from the last second of the replay, and not from all the hypotheticals like "Stelok could mess up" . Strelok has advantage at the end of replay so he should get the win. im sure you are trolling But fenix is toss.....he doenst need to control his units nearly as well as strelok. Its much easier for strelok to fuck up in that situation than fenix.....fenix just really needs try to flank etc. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
Nice tip of the week lol Oh, great to hear about what's going on with the Samsung team | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
Agreed w/Artosis about the whole controversial Strelok thing. No reason to assume anyone was going to win until gg is typed. | ||
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TT1
Canada10036 Posts
sorry but after watching this: http://www.scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s03&movNum=307 strelok had a clear advantage, from a p users point of view this is how i see it; fenix didnt have alot of probes, 70% of his probes arnt mining, strelok has the upg+unit advantage and his eco+tech is kicked in, fenix has all his units scattered around the map, strelok's 4th cc is about to finish so he was going to setup on the expansion close to fenix's double exp on the bottom left side of the map(fenix wouldnt be able to defend the push through the bridges and his arb tech is way too weak, plus with his new exp almost done strelok would have easily been able to turret up the bridge area and setup a strong push), also from personal experience this would have been the perfect situation for t to attack because p's scattered all across the map and is distracted, strelok is about to exp on the 9oclock base so for sure hes going to be moving out in that area, also fenix's probes arnt mining so his eco isnt going to be strong in the early stages so even if(IF which i cant see that happening) he manages to hold off streloks attack strelok is going to be able to reinforce his army alot faster than fenix, the only thing i would have liked to see is t's factory count and how many addons he had but it wasnt shown ;/ fenix's eco wouldnt have kicked in before t's rush, this situation on a different map is debatable but on desti i dont like fenix's position, however seeing as it is bw and that anything could happen the ruling i would have given would have had to do with whoever disced, if strelok disced the game would have been replayed but if fenix disced i would have given the win to strelok (i have no idea which player disced, in any case the responsibility should fall on the shoulder of the person who disced in this type of game) edit: i didnt mention this on purpose but you also have to take into account that fenix didnt have anything to defend his bottom left exp when his probes were afked on his geyser, not only didnt he have an ob to see the vults moving out(he wouldnt have had time to move his probes) but he also doesnt have any units around his exp, i didnt mention this because when theres a disc you cant assume what is going to happen, but each coin has two sides so you have to look at both possibilities (one is strelok doesnt notice anything and keeps his vult in his base and the other is he notices it and harasses it, however in this situation if your in fenix's position then your relying on a luck factor) | ||
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