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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
July 04 2009 03:59 GMT
#1
Hello, I am Artosis and welcome back to the StarCraft Weekly News!

This week I take the replay that has been driving the community wild this week and analyze what was going on. A must see!

Artosis Weekly News - Strelok Replay Analyzed
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
July 04 2009 04:07 GMT
#2
oh lol
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 04 2009 04:08 GMT
#3
Ah, the controversy will finally be revealed.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
July 04 2009 04:22 GMT
#4
This ought to be good.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
July 04 2009 04:25 GMT
#5
I think Strelok was quite ahead at that point of the game. But I think Artosis's viewpoint is correct, all the complaining about the admin flipfloping in his decision is silly.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
July 04 2009 04:39 GMT
#6
Yeah I also think Strelok was in a pretty good lead, but a regame is the best solution, but I understand how that must feel bitter for Strelok.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 04 2009 05:13 GMT
#7
Strelok was ahead more than I expected I don't think giving him a win would have been wrong, but the game was definitely not over so if I were a player I wouldn't oppose to either decision. Thanks for the video the explanation was really good I think everyone appreciates the effort.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
July 04 2009 05:28 GMT
#8
well, strelok had just started building his fourth cc, fenix had them up already. fenix´ eco was strong and superior at that moment and during the minute that it would have taken strelok to unsiege and move his army to him fenix could have maxed or almost maxed. and then the battle would have been in fenix favor!

imho the game was at 57:43 in streloks favor at that moment. really nothing worth of giving either player a win.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 04 2009 05:31 GMT
#9
this is better than the mcdonalds snackwrap!
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 04 2009 05:41 GMT
#10
Yeah it seems like it was slightly favoring Strelok, but definitely not decisive (imo). I agree with the decision for the most part.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 06:01:57
July 04 2009 05:47 GMT
#11
That game wasn't as close as I thought it was going to be. Strelok had a pretty big advantage imo. Having a 20-30 supply lead in TvP is generally pretty decisive and I doubt Fenix would be able to hold his bases against the soon to come push. Or Strelok could just take his half of the map and sit.
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
July 04 2009 05:56 GMT
#12
You forget about warpgates artosis
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-04 06:37:59
July 04 2009 06:36 GMT
#13
On July 04 2009 14:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
That game wasn't as close as I thought it was going to be. Strelok had a pretty big advantage imo. Having a 20-30 supply lead in TvP is generally pretty decisive and I doubt Fenix would be able to hold his bases against the soon to come push. Or Strelok could just take his half of the map and sit.

his tank count wasnt high enough to absorb storms and roll anyway, he couldnt attack anytime soon and fenix's economy was alot better. strelok was 3 base but his scv count wasnt good and fenix was about to hit 5 base. fenix had something like 8-9 gate vs 6 fac too. strelok had just started a vessel and was about to take his fourth and was only 1-1, he was just gonna turtle and wait for grades and a vessel fleet, giving fenix's better economy and arbiters time to kick in, turning it into a normal desti pvt stalemate and it all comes down to how well recalls do. theres no way to call that game for either player. you cant just look at the supplies. ya if strelok had his 170 army set up outside fenix's base the game would be over, but he isnt able to do anything with his supply advantage so its pretty irrelevant at that point in the game.

and given that i hate fenix and he tried to disc artosis with spam bots during tsl i dont see how anyone can be claiming bias here
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
July 04 2009 06:38 GMT
#14
gg
why so 진지해?
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
July 04 2009 06:39 GMT
#15
YOUR GOING TO VISIT GRRR
RyanS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States620 Posts
July 04 2009 06:52 GMT
#16
There was no clear winner at all. If SC games had clear winners when two armies were just camping their bases, why would be even watch SC? As with all professional sports including StarCraft, having a slight lead or even a moderate lead is never something that is impossible to over come. In professional baseball if a game gets cancelled for rain before 5 innings they replay the entire game and neither team can say "we would have won..."



The save game feature will be a welcomed addition to SC2 to pick up exactly where these types of situations get left off .
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 04 2009 07:38 GMT
#17
Holy snap I actually agree with something IdrA says for once.

It was definitely the right call not to give a win to either party as I think it would have still been a pretty close game TBH.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 04 2009 07:46 GMT
#18
On July 04 2009 15:36 IdrA wrote:
his tank count wasnt high enough to absorb storms and roll anyway, he couldnt attack anytime soon and fenix's economy was alot better. strelok was 3 base but his scv count wasnt good and fenix was about to hit 5 base. fenix had something like 8-9 gate vs 6 fac too. strelok had just started a vessel and was about to take his fourth and was only 1-1, he was just gonna turtle and wait for grades and a vessel fleet, giving fenix's better economy and arbiters time to kick in, turning it into a normal desti pvt stalemate and it all comes down to how well recalls do. theres no way to call that game for either player. you cant just look at the supplies. ya if strelok had his 170 army set up outside fenix's base the game would be over, but he isnt able to do anything with his supply advantage so its pretty irrelevant at that point in the game.

and given that i hate fenix and he tried to disc artosis with spam bots during tsl i dont see how anyone can be claiming bias here


This. I was going to write how all the people who wrote Strelok had a big lead were idiots, but here's an actual progamer saying it, so i don't have to spend any effort ^^
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
July 04 2009 07:46 GMT
#19
I would like to know where the idea to give Fenix a loss came from.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 04 2009 07:51 GMT
#20
On July 04 2009 15:39 ViruX wrote:
YOUR GOING TO VISIT GRRR

grr has been interviewed before by koreans.
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