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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17741 Posts
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RushWifDietCoke
United States488 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
On July 04 2009 21:52 Chosi wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.chosi.net/pics/scforall.jpg) this is what my browser tells me when I click that Video. Still gonna watch it but ... I get that too, that's just because it's hosted on afreeca. Never had any problems with it. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
Why is this Lipton guy a referee again? A "final" decisions should be just that, final. Then again Fenix bad english definately holds him back and it would not be fair to hold that against him. Strelok didn't have the game won and like I said I don't think that's the main issue, but rather Streloks view on the "final decision" issue. | ||
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Kersed
United States35 Posts
Don't forget about that National Geographic thing about SC in Korea either. Grrr had a pretty nice video interview in that. | ||
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SmokeMaxX
United States17 Posts
Here's an analogy related to the problem: Your father promises to make it to your piano recital. However, as you begin to play you notice that he's not there. Ten minutes after you finish playing, he comes up to you and apologizes for not being there. However, turns out, your father pulled over to help an elderly woman who got into a car accident. How is this related to Strelok vs. Fenix? Strelok is mad because he felt there was a promise in place (regardless of who it benefitted). However, he feels like Valor staff went back on their word (he's also frustrated at various other things like time zones, lag, and the fact that he felt he was ahead- but we'll disregard these as they don't affect the situation). That's the main issue. Valor went back on its promise. However, the other side of the story is that Valor did so for a greater good. To keep the integrity of the tournament, they had to overturn the ruling. Just as you can't be angry at your father for saving somebody's life, even at great personal expense- you can't be angry at Valor staff for trying to be fair to both sides, even if they had to break a promise to do so. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
On July 04 2009 21:52 Chosi wrote: this is what my browser tells me when I click that Video. Still gonna watch it but ... Yeah I get the same thing, but who really cares?  | ||
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On July 05 2009 00:15 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: well wat artosis said makes sense and plus we got input from idra, a progamer, thats enough to convince mePretty sure when Nony played F91, it was a similar situation. Nony had advantage, but he wasn't outside F91's base or anything, he was mostly at his base defending and making his third vs F91 3 bases, yet Nony was given the win. Same situation here. IMO, everyone is just going where the wind blows. If Artosis were to say that Strelok was surely going to push out and win, everyone would be like "yeah, yeah." and good work artosis, have fun on ur trip | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On July 05 2009 00:15 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: Pretty sure when Nony played F91, it was a similar situation. Nony had advantage, but he wasn't outside F91's base or anything, he was mostly at his base defending and making his third vs F91 3 bases, yet Nony was given the win. Same situation here. IMO, everyone is just going where the wind blows. If Artosis were to say that Strelok was surely going to push out and win, everyone would be like "yeah, yeah." F91 gave me the win About the Strelok/Fenix game: I think the key thing there is that Strelok would only have a big advantage if he was in position. He can't just move all his shit down and siege up. If there was a push going, then it would seem that Terran would have a good chance to hit his timing. But what we see in the replay is a Protoss with a great chance to defend his half of the map long enough to let Arbiter tech kick in and finish off a Terran whose timing failed. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On July 04 2009 20:46 Strelok. wrote: So now according to precendent rule, after having disadvantage which is not critical, i can always disc from game and claim regame. Let's see how it works. yeah i guess you could but then some righteous asshole like me might come around and make sure you are banned from all sc1 and sc2 competitions wouldn't that be awesome | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
I'm pretty sure fenix does not feel the same way about strelok. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 05 2009 00:50 Liquid`NonY wrote: F91 gave me the win About the Strelok/Fenix game: I think the key thing there is that Strelok would only have a big advantage if he was in position. He can't just move all his shit down and siege up. If there was a push going, then it would seem that Terran would have a good chance to hit his timing. But what we see in the replay is a Protoss with a great chance to defend his half of the map long enough to let Arbiter tech kick in and finish off a Terran whose timing failed. There we go, TL didn't award Nony a win, F91 did. We all know how easy it is for bad positioning to ruin a Terran when Storms are out. It's impossible to know if Strelok would've won if we didn't see how his Tanks were positioned during his push, and has been stated, if he missed his window, Fenix would've had the better economy. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
about what strelok said, he is technically correct and it is the main reason why some online tournaments use the disc = loss rule instead of judging on a situational basis... of course this rule isn't used in LAN tournaments for obvious reasons as for if Fenix would disconnect on purpose or not, i don't think he did in this case, but he does have a history of cheating, so I would definitely not give him the benefit of the doubt if I were his opponent (link) On July 05 2009 01:00 Rekrul wrote: but then some righteous asshole like me might come around and make sure you are banned from all sc1 and sc2 competitions heh you were begging for this opportunity to turn on the drama | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
Of course the game is not over, but chances are strelok would have been able to get this way more than lose it. With that said, I don't know why Strelok refused to regame. Yes it sucks to have the decision reversed, but in the end who cares man? I mean, choosing to drop off the tournament gives you 0% chance to achieve what you wanted anyway. Drop the ego, at the end of the day it's just a game. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On July 04 2009 20:46 Strelok. wrote: So now according to precendent rule, after having disadvantage which is not critical, i can always disc from game and claim regame. Let's see how it works. Surely someone can't just keep doing this and still be able to keep participating in tournaments. But based on the assumption that Fenix doesn't have a tendency to always mysteriously disconnects only when he has a seemingly disadvantage, there's no reason to think this way. Shit happens. No reason why anyone should be punished by it. | ||
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
On July 05 2009 00:50 Liquid`NonY wrote: F91 gave me the win About the Strelok/Fenix game: I think the key thing there is that Strelok would only have a big advantage if he was in position. He can't just move all his shit down and siege up. If there was a push going, then it would seem that Terran would have a good chance to hit his timing. But what we see in the replay is a Protoss with a great chance to defend his half of the map long enough to let Arbiter tech kick in and finish off a Terran whose timing failed. Strelok could have pushed any second after the disconnect (if the disconnect didn't happen). He said he was waiting for 180 supply to push, and Arbiter had no energy for anything, only 2 high temps, and maybe 160 supply (he needs a maxed army stop the push) for Fenix when Strelok starts pushing. Fenix's bases at 7 and 8 o'clock (which wasn't even mining) would have been taken out, Strelok's reinforcement from his 6 factories would have ended it. Replaying the game would not be fair because they are fighting for $1000, and Strelok shouldn't have to beat Fenix one more time just because Fenix disconnected. And the guy had had a history of fucking around in tournaments with large prizes, like TSL, as Artosis himself pointed out. Strelok decided to leave the tournament in protest of the unprofessional conduct of the tournament officials. I haven't heard Tasteless, Daniel, Lipton or anyone else from the tournament step up and admit fault, everyone is just trying to ignore SDM final decision. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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