EPT[Spoilers] Effort's record - Page 5
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
On June 12 2009 09:17 Gustav_Wind wrote: I could watch his games and see absolutely stunning play and still claim fully within reason that variance is a factor. I think it's ridiculous to say that it's not. If you say that variance is not a factor then you are saying that you expect Effort to continue this 90+% win rate. You are saying that 90% win against the general field is an accurate representation of his true skill level relative to the rest of the proleague players. Bisu currently says in interviews that he doesn't think he can maintain 80% win rate. The most dominant pro sc players in history didn't have anything approaching 90% win rate. I'm not the most knowledgeable person about sports but as far as I know in professional sports such as NBA or MLB which have large sample sizes nobody maintains a 90% win rate. So yes, Effort is amazing. But "variance is involved" is a very reasonable answer to the poll. Sure variance is involved, it has to be, thats why the game has survived many incarnations and 11 years of competitive play. But RANDOM is the key word, go watch his game and rot with your reason. I double dare you to watch the games. he's gonna be a killer for sure. One that is under the radar. Edit: ok sorry, I don't mean rot and die, but I think this guy should be watched because there is a real reason why he got so many wins like this, and it shouldn't be dismissed too quickly. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:07 HooHa! wrote: Sure variance is involved, it has to be, thats why the game has survived many incarnations and 11 years of competitive play. But RANDOM is the key word, go watch his game and rot with your reason. I double dare you to watch the games. he's gonna be a killer for sure. One that is under the radar. Edit: ok sorry, I don't mean rot and die, but I think this guy should be watched because there is a real reason why he got so many wins like this, and it shouldn't be dismissed too quickly. Yes, I am seriously not denying any of this. I've watched him outclass Flash in the endgame and dismantle Stork. I know he's playing unreal well. I'm not trying to argue against that -___- I'm just trying to argue against all the people (which includes you) that are like "if you say that variance is partially responsible then you are an idiot" | ||
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Spanxxx
United States408 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
future zerg Leta maybe. | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:21 Gustav_Wind wrote: Yes, I am seriously not denying any of this. I've watched him outclass Flash in the endgame and dismantle Stork. I know he's playing unreal well. I'm not trying to argue against that -___- I'm just trying to argue against all the people (which includes you) that are like "if you say that variance is partially responsible then you are an idiot" That's not even the point, plus I didn't say whoever thought it was responsible was an idiot. I said they didn't know what they are talking about. Doesn't mean they are an idiot. Good you watched him kick trash. Thats good. I don't think he is on the lucky side of the die though. I mean, that game versus Hiya was just brutal. Hiya played fine, his reactions were very, but he just got destroyed, he couldn't get a solid attack out because he lost his army twice to hold lurks. Eh whatever. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
Personally, looking at who Effort is supposed to be modeled after, and looking at the team he is on (and the zergs of that team especially), I'm not as impressed with Effort's win streak as I am with Leta's, coming out of NOWHERE on a team with absolute SHIT terrans (lol Justin and go.go) and leading his team to the finals of the proleague out of NOWHERE. Leta's streak is better than Effort's, in my eyes, considering that it wasn't some one time thing. Leta plays quite literally every single match for hite, and keeps a record rivaling that of Flash Jaedong and Bisu. Where was this thread when Leta was rolling? | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
On June 12 2009 07:46 Guybrush wrote: Dont mess with  Tester, he has 100% wins against  Jaedong AND  Flash.^^ This. ESTRO HWAITING!!! | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:47 KnightOfNi wrote: hurrhurrhurridontknowanythingaboutbroodwar letas good, but alot of his wins were off of his gimmicky/nonstandard playstyle, he cooled down significantly as soon as he started hitting starleague competition and people got to analyze him more. you cant really find a game where effort makes a bad decision. his play is so ridiculously smart, and his mechanics so good, that hes not gonna drop off just cuz people start figuring him out. theres nothing to figure out. hes just playing better than everyone else. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8061 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:55 Vasoline73 wrote: His game against Hiya in MSL was pretty sick, I'm not gonna lie. He needs to advance further into a league to prove himself imo. Flash v. Effort BO5 would be better than Flash v. Jaedong BO5 imo because both have macro styles. Nah, nothing beats Flash v. Jaedong BOx. But i would like Effort to do something is SLs and to actually develop a rivalry with someone good, preferably terran, maybe teammate skyhigh :p. Though it's hard, nobody is playing on his level other than the big 3. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:54 IdrA wrote: letas good, but alot of his wins were off of his gimmicky/nonstandard playstyle, he cooled down significantly as soon as he started hitting starleague competition and people got to analyze him more. you cant really find a game where effort makes a bad decision. his play is so ridiculously smart, and his mechanics so good, that hes not gonna drop off just cuz people start figuring him out. theres nothing to figure out. hes just playing better than everyone else. I wouldn't go as far as saying "cooled down significantly". He still maintains a record of WELL over 60%, including the 2nd highest record vs terran, the 2nd highest record vs zerg (with over 30 games), and has righted his TvP (which started 2-8, is above 50% now only 25ish games later). It also shouldn't matter that he has a gimmicky playstyle, wasn't that how Boxer was? Nal_ra? It is a style that WINS GAMES, and that is all that matters. True, Effort has looked strong in his games recently, I'm not discounting that, I'm just saying that Leta's rise to me was more impressive. I may have a different opinion if Effort and Leta play a Bo5 in the MSL/OSL (they are both in both... SWEET) and Effort assrapes Leta and goes on to win both startleagues, but as of now, with the current games to go by, I'm still just more impressed with Leta's streak, more because of who Effort is and who he is supposed to be compared to Leta coming from nowhere to rock the shit outta pretty much everything lol. I hope you realize that I'm not criticizing or even questioning that Effort is playing ridiculously well right now, I'm just setting idea the point that Leta's streak is better in hindsight, atm. | ||
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Origami
United States266 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:47 KnightOfNi wrote: Where was this thread when Leta was rolling? He got his own TLFE instead. | ||
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JitNik
Russian Federation134 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
And breaking that record shouldn't be hard considering one of his next match ups is ZvZ versus, heh, 815. :3 Edit-- Woops, nevermind, I think the OP got it wrong thusfar. Oov's got a 26-3 (3-10-02 to 4-01-08), that could obviously be shortened down to 25-3, record that goes onto 32-4(3-10-02 to 04-02-03). I wasn't watching SC back in 03 so I didn't remember that, but as far as TLPD is concerned, Oov seems to still have the best streak But hell, Effort's a shoe in for the next match so he's prone to break Oov's best 30 game record in the modern, much more competitive scene. That, in and of itself, is a bigger feat. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On June 12 2009 07:47 OneOther wrote: What the fuck? I am by no means a fan of EffOrt or CJ but I don't understand how you can say this. He beat Flash, Stork, Jaedong, Mind, and several other good players. The three losses come from Bisu at his best PvZ ,Yellow's ZvZ, and Mind in which EffOrt won the series anyway. What he's doing right now is very special and impressive. I honestly don't know what you guys expect to see. Consecutive BO3 victories against Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash? Of course he still has lots to prove, at least until he wins or comes close to winning an individual title. Still, it's pretty amazing. Sorry.  I guess I am biased because I hate every single Zerg and hope they all do the worst possible. Also, for the record, I never intended to call him a bad player at all, he is a good player. | ||
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